AR10 Trigger

[para1505]

Wanting to replace the factory trigger in my AR10. Is there really that much difference in the after market triggers. I have a Timney in my AR15 which seems to work good. Have always heard good things about Geissele triggers. Went to their web site and their was so many models I had no idea which one was the one I needed. Use will be precision long range and PRS type shooting.

 

[MPDS13]

I have a number of Geissele triggers. They are really nice and have been extremely reliable and durable. If you want curved trigger I would look at the High Speed National Match or SSA-E. If you like flat face then check out SD-E. All 3 smooth 2 stage triggers.

 

[para1505]

I have a number of Geissele triggers. They are really nice and have been extremely reliable and durable. If you want curved trigger I would look at the High Speed National Match or SSA-E. If you like flat face then check out SD-E. All 3 smooth 2 stage triggers.

I have never ran a 2 stage trigger wonder if I would like one

 

[ChitownCopper]

Trigger tech diamond there is no comparison!

 

[Kickin45]

CMC 2.5lb
Timney 3lb
Both great triggers

 

[hlee]

Yes, there is a huge difference between aftermarket triggers. I've got several SSA-E triggers, one SD-E trigger, and a rock river 2 stage. The RR is better than mil spec, but not as good as the Geissele triggers. I can't comment on any others. My preference is the SD-E.

 

[The DFC]

Huge difference. So many good ones out there-my favorite is Larue MBT straight bow 2 stage.

 

[MPDS13]

I have never ran a 2 stage trigger wonder if I would like one

It is really all in personnel preference. I like 2 stage triggers, especially in precision guns. But Geissele also makes a single stage as well. I have heard amazing things about the Trigger Tech Diamond. That will be my next trigger I get.

 

[AMGtuned]

Took a leap on a straight shoe, POF, 3.5lb single stage. Been happy with it so far in .308 AR10

 

[loveha]

Another vote for Triggertech. It's all I use.

 

[Braunschweiger]

Very big difference. For mil-spec style a Geissele SSA-E is hard to beat. I have 6 AR's and each one has a Geissele SSA-E. A Larue MBT-2s is another great option for less money, still not as good as Geissele. For overall best feel, a triggertech Diamond would be hard to beat.

 

[Stavey]

Ive tried most if not all of those listed above . Triggers are very subjective. That being said
if money isn’t an issue
Triggertech or AR gold
If money is tight
LaRue mbt2s

 

[Lawless]

CMC flat triggers

 

[Sincerd]

Wanting to replace the factory trigger in my AR10. Is there really that much difference in the after market triggers. I have a Timney in my AR15 which seems to work good. Have always heard good things about Geissele triggers. Went to their web site and their was so many models I had no idea which one was the one I needed. Use will be precision long range and PRS type shooting.

Yea theres a huge difference if your rocking a mill spec. Check out trigger tech and hiperfire

 

[Black max]

Trigger Tech FTW. Used Geissele for years and still have a few in rifles but nothing compares to the TT Diamond or the adaptable for a little less money.

 

[Sincerd]

Inorite

 

[Black max]

Inorite

Not following???

 

[para1505]

Me either

 

[AMGtuned]

Inorite

Buddly?

 

[Sincerd]

I know right? Dam boomers!

 

[Black max]

Fuck off kid, I'm no damn boomer!

 

[Sincerd]

Ahahah postboomer

 

[Maelstrom]

I have a James Madison Tactical Saber trigger in mine. Fixed pull weight but much improved over the stock trigger and cheaper than the Geisselle.

 

[Sincerd]

Sorry off track

I'll really say in my experience

1 triggertech diamond
2 hiperfire eclipse
3 geissele
4 larue mbt

Larue is the cheapest of the bunch. Once you start getting good triggers you WILL want them in everything you own

 

[Merle]

I found the SD-E a little light in a 308 AR. Too easy to bump fire unintentionally. The SD-C works better for me.

 

[502Chevelle]

If you are shooting PRS/long range, it’s hard to beat the Timney CalvinElite. I have Jard, JP, CMC 2 stage and 2 Timney CEs. I can do a pretty darn good trigger job on an AR, but the Timney is the cats ass for long range.

 

[hlee]

Watched a guy at a match double a Calvin elite on enough stages that he went to single loading, then not showing up. Not saying it's a bad trigger, but you need to have your fundamentals locked down with light triggers.

 

[Ravenworks]

Watch the sales at Primary arms and you can pick up a Geissele SSA-E pretty cheap.
You'll wonder how you ever did without a quality trigger once you try it.

 

[Strykervet]

I have a number of Geissele triggers. They are really nice and have been extremely reliable and durable. If you want curved trigger I would look at the High Speed National Match or SSA-E. If you like flat face then check out SD-E. All 3 smooth 2 stage triggers.

Yep and there's very discernible difference between 'em too. I probably have one of every AR trigger they make I guess and they're all great. They're all I use in 'em and have been for a while now.

Hi-Speed is best all around, period. I put one in a tack driving Grendel and one in an SR25. The trigger is peerless. The set screws can be permanently set if you like but they've never come lose on me, which is the usual reason why it's not used more (or rather the usual concern). Never seen it happen though.

SSA-E is similar to Hi-Speed in feel when setup with the DMR springs IIRC, and SSA is a bit heavier. Between these you'd probably want the SSA-E. I mostly have these, this trigger is nice if don't need the adj. feature or don't want it, or if you require a failsafe setup. SSA is the SSF without the full auto feature BTW.

I have an SSA-E SD in a Noveske, it's pretty nice actually and I wouldn't have bought it otherwise so it was a nice surprise. Depending on where you contact the trigger affects the pull quite a bit too.

FWIW, if you have something "fast" the 3GSD is damn near impossible to beat. The flat bow on a 3G trigger is just the titties. Too fast, too light, too quick to use for slow squeeze precision really (it'll probably double if you try).

Unless you need it now, keep an eye peeled on Brownells, they put 'em on sale a few times a year and you can get 'em 20 or 30% off even.

Oh, Brownell's contracts one from them that's actually really nice, I have the single stage versions but they make a 2 stage. Only two differences is 1. it uses a spring vs. pin to retain it (it's actually more positive than standard) and 2. they're not individually engraved so I think QC is by lot. Otherwise the same thing really. Can be had for a lot less, especially when they go on sale. Best bang for the buck for a quality AR trigger.

 

[KAIFS]

I actually “downgraded” from Geissele to a JPFC-1 (after shooting it on someone else’s rig and falling in love) on my LR308 and absolutely love it. Single stage, set it just over 3lbs.
I honestly do not have a single trigger which “fits all my needs on all my rifles” - so, you might find yourself going through several before you love it ON THAT PARTICULAR RIFLE.
P.S. my JP took a good hour (including watching DVD which came with it) and was NOT a “drop in”, but easy to follow instructions.

 

[para1505]

The amount of info you guys are giving me is fantastic thanks for all of it

 

[The DFC]

The amount of info you guys are giving me is fantastic thanks for all of it

Here's some more info-Larue MBTs are completely machined from solid blocks of S7 steel. The Geisseles (SD-C) I have, the trigger is cast for sure and the hammer looks to be as well. This might not matter 1 bit in the grand scheme of things but it's good info. I have no affiliation with Larue-hate his mounting interface, have never handled a Larue rifle, and money is no issue-so I have no dog in this fight. I just know that when I got my first MBT I was impressed and bought a bunch more.

I've never used a Triggertech or any of the other high end triggers mentioned so I can't compare.

 

[para1505]

Here's some more info-Larue MBTs are completely machined from solid blocks of S7 steel. The Geisseles (SD-C) I have, the trigger is cast for sure and the hammer looks to be as well. This might not matter 1 bit in the grand scheme of things but it's good info. I have no affiliation with Larue-hate his mounting interface, have never handled a Larue rifle, and money is no issue-so I have no dog in this fight. I just know that when I got my first MBT I was impressed and bought a bunch more.

I've never used a Triggertech or any of the other high end triggers mentioned so I can't compare.

I think I'm going to try this MBT-2S I'm thinking it's cheapper because it's not a enclosed drop in like all the others

 

[The DFC]

I think I'm going to try this MBT-2S I'm thinking it's cheapper because it's not a enclosed drop in like all the others

The Geisseles I have are not drop-ins either. When I handled the Geissele SD-C compared to the Larue-the Larue felt like a much higher quality trigger. Definitely heavier if that matters.

What I was saying is even though the Larue is cheaper-I think it's more expensive to make (Wire EDM vs. Casting) and is actually machined from solid stock. Very counterintuitive to most things made where you get what you pay for is usually a good rule of thumb. When the MBT first came out it was $200 or more and they were selling.

Shooting wise-I think the Geissele is a tnuc hair crisper.

 

[para1505]

The Geisseles I have are not drop-ins either. When I handled the Geissele SD-C compared to the Larue-the Larue felt like a much higher quality trigger. Definitely heavier if that matters.

What I was saying is even though the Larue is cheaper-I think it's more expensive to make (Wire EDM vs. Casting) and is actually machined from solid stock. Very counterintuitive to most things made where you get what you pay for is usually a good rule of thumb. When the MBT first came out it was $200 or more and they were selling.

Shooting wise-I think the Geissele is a tnuc hair crisper.

Well if it's only a hair better crisper I'm sure I'll get along fine with the Larue

 

[hlee]

Geissele triggers are made from S7 tool steel and wire EDM cut.

https://geissele.com/media/wysiwyg/Catalog/2018_Catalog-Web-Version.pdf

That said, most people probably can't feel the difference between them and many less expensive alternatives.

I have a Rock River 2 stage ($100) in an AR 10 that is nice enough that I forget it doesn't have that little G on the side. You can get almost 3 Larue 2 stage triggers for the price of one Geissele. That's enough for me to make my next trigger a Larue, even though (or maybe because) I own several Geisseles.

 

[The DFC]

Geissele triggers are made from S7 tool steel and wire EDM cut.

https://geissele.com/media/wysiwyg/Catalog/2018_Catalog-Web-Version.pdf

That said, most people probably can't feel the difference between them and many less expensive alternatives.

I have a Rock River 2 stage ($100) in an AR 10 that is nice enough that I forget it doesn't have that little G on the side. You can get almost 3 Larue 2 stage triggers for the price of one Geissele. That's enough for me to make my next trigger a Larue, even though (or maybe because) I own several Geisseles.

Good to know. I'm a big Geissele fan and have a bunch of their stuff-all good to go.

 

[Halberdier]

I have never ran a 2 stage trigger wonder if I would like one

You should try one. They just lend themselves to a slow, patient and precise trigger pull. And most are under $100.

 

[The DFC]

Geissele triggers are made from S7 tool steel and wire EDM cut.

https://geissele.com/media/wysiwyg/Catalog/2018_Catalog-Web-Version.pdf

That said, most people probably can't feel the difference between them and many less expensive alternatives.

I have a Rock River 2 stage ($100) in an AR 10 that is nice enough that I forget it doesn't have that little G on the side. You can get almost 3 Larue 2 stage triggers for the price of one Geissele. That's enough for me to make my next trigger a Larue, even though (or maybe because) I own several Geisseles.

Just looking at my Geissele-the actual trigger itself is not wire EDM'd it's cast-it has a raised "G" on it-the only way you can do that is with casting to my knowledge and I am not a Machinist.

 

[eddie102870]

hiperfire has a nice one

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

This should be a sticky. I've got a DPMS and the only way the trigger could be any worse is if it didn't fire. So now I'm looking to upgrade. I've got two TT diamonds in my bolt guns, and if they are anything like the AR triggers, I'll have a third.

 

[loveha]

This should be a sticky. I've got a DPMS and the only way the trigger could be any worse is if it didn't fire. So now I'm looking to upgrade. I've got two TT diamonds in my bolt guns, and if they are anything like the AR triggers, I'll have a third.

Other than the very light takeup, it's very close.

 

[Zorrosdens]

This should be a sticky. I've got a DPMS and the only way the trigger could be any worse is if it didn't fire. So now I'm looking to upgrade. I've got two TT diamonds in my bolt guns, and if they are anything like the AR triggers, I'll have a third.

Just a TT add:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1461/6714/files/2020_Product_Catalog.pdf?1894

 

[502Chevelle]

As I re read this thread, I’m just glad that there are so many quality options available today. It wasn’t this way just a few years ago. Hard to make a bad choice now.

 

[Merle]

Just looking at my Geissele-the actual trigger itself is not wire EDM'd it's cast-it has a raised "G" on it-the only way you can do that is with casting to my knowledge and I am not a Machinist.

I'm sure Geissele's profit margin is probably pretty high.

 

[UpSideDown]

This is a very helpful thread. I haven’t considered the TT’s.

I have a LaRue MBT in a rifle. I want to try the light spring and see how it feels before trying it in my AR-10.

The term ‘breaks like glass’ gets used a lot, and I feel like the LaRue has a feeling that is a little beyond that. Zero movement until it GOES. Very clicky trigger. Very consistent

 

[Usmcsomerville]

I was running a Geissele SSA-E in my 6.5 build and just put in a TriggerTech Diamond curved. I am a big fan of Geissele, but the TT Diamond is unreal. Like mentioned above, the take up is super light. You can find good deals in the "for sale" section, here on the hide.

 

[bfoosh006]

Yes there is a huge difference in triggers... ( as mentioned )

Here is a well done test on a bunch of drop in triggers.

It is a few years old, so the models may have changed... but the various graphs show a lot of valuable info.



https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ar-15-drop-in-trigger-roundup/

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

Yes there is a huge difference in triggers... ( as mentioned )

Here is a well done test on a bunch of drop in triggers.

It is a few years old, so the models may have changed... but the various graphs show a lot of valuable info.



https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ar-15-drop-in-trigger-roundup/

Well written article and lots of info. Thanks!

 

[502Chevelle]

That’s a great article. Hard to argue with info like that. I’d like to see the test run on the Timney CE just out of curiosity’s sake.