ar15 22 conversion kits?

[callen3615]

Hey guys. I recently just picked up my first ar. A dpms sportical. I am enjoying it but I had heard about conversion kits that would let me shoot 22s and save some money.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR059-7.html


Whats the pros and cons to these? i dont have enough money for a dedicated upper. I have things id like to do to my rifle like changing the hand guards, swapping out the stock receiver for one with a forward assist and dust cover, but if I have to spend more than 150 bucks for a conversion kit or a different upper I will spend my money elsewhere.

Thanks

 

[n64atlas]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

The prolem with the converson vips on moderom AR's is the twist rate of your barrel and the size of the bore. If you have an older barrel with a 1 in 12 twist, they shoot OK. Nothing to wright home about but they can be fun. The modern twists of 1 in
7,8 or 9, won't stabalize the bullet so you will be just burning ammo, not improving your shooting. One othere thing to considder is the gas port filling with lead from the 22lr. This can cause
troble when going back to centerfire ammo.

 

[Tbag]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

Well with all of the gloom just posted, they can be quite fun is my take. They do work better in the old 1/12 twist but it still works fairly decently in a 1/9 twist. As stated the 5.56/.223 barrels are slightly oversized for the .22 bullet and that is the main source of an inaccurate barrel more than the twist itself.

As for the gas tube filling is not really full of facts, that said it is generally recommended to shoot a few regular 5.56 loads through the upper once you are done blasting .22's to help clean the bullsnit out.


If you can buy one cheap/used it's likely money well spent.

On another note, if you are looking at changing out more than your handguards you are likely wasting money, I'd let your upper run as is and think about a better quality upper that has most of what you now want or like. Just saying.

 

[callen3615]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

Thanks tbag. I might get the conversion kit and save for a whole new upper. What should I look at?

I dont need a bull barrel and would like to stick with a 16inch, I just miss the forward assist and especially the dust cover. If I get handguards for the current rifle and get a new upper in the summer cant I just switch them to the new upper?


I mainly use this rifle as a plinking/target rifle so accuracy isnt a huge issue. I only currently have a red dot on it.

Thanks for the help and please excuse my ar15 n00bishness.

 

[samnev]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

I have a Ceiner kit I use in my M16A1 and it is a hoot to shoot on full auto besides saving me a lot of $$$. I do shoot a few 5.56's after a session with the 22lr conversion. I have a friend that also ahs a Ciener kit and never seen other than it used in her M16A1.

 

[Sniper1*]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

We use the Spikes Tactical conversion kits for training at our dept. to save some costs for ammo. They run great as long as they are lubed. At the distances we train at with the 50 yards and in accuracy has been very acceptable.

If interested PM me, I have a personal kit the I ha e never used that I would be willing to sell with a couple of Blackdog mags! Since the dept. supplies kits and ammo I have no use for it right now.

 

[ARsR4ME]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

The CCMG unit is a graet piece.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/...%3Bcat104190480

 

[leadbullet]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

if you want the best accuracy, get a dedicated 22 upper, I went with the drop in conversion first and was less than pleased, shortly after, I bought a tactical solution 22 upper and was totally pleased, very accurate, super reliable and just too much fun to shoot.

 

[Tbag]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks tbag. I might get the conversion kit and save for a whole new upper. What should I look at?
I personally would be looking towards LMT, Colt or a Bravo upper to name a few.

I dont need a bull barrel and would like to stick with a 16inch, I just miss the forward assist and especially the dust cover. If I get handguards for the current rifle and get a new upper in the summer cant I just switch them to the new upper?
YES you could if that works better for you.



I mainly use this rifle as a plinking/target rifle so accuracy isnt a huge issue. I only currently have a red dot on it.
IMO considering you bought already, this is why I have no issue not having a forward assist or dust cover as it's just a general fun gun. Now if it were mainly for high stress situations that's a different position that may require added/different features.

Thanks for the help and please excuse my ar15 n00bishness. </div></div>


Oh dedicated uppers generally shoot great, in the end it's what you really want it to do. For me MOA of can is generally good enough for a conversion, but if I truly was going after the tiny dot on a consistent basis it would not satisfy me. But there is a huge cost difference too. I have had both and the dedicated upper in the end just cost too damn much money for me to appreciate it.

AR's in general are not a poor mans sport.

 

[callen3615]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

For me getting a dedicated upper defeats the purpose of shooting 22s. Correct me if I am wrong but arent 223s ballisticly superior to 22s? The only reason to get a conversion kit is to save money. So why would I spend 500 bucks on a new upper to shoot 22s on a rifle that cost me 600 bucks?

The dedicated upper just sounds insane to me, it just doesnt make sense...but I guess it might make more sense to people who shoot much more than I do.

I think I am gonna get a conversion kit and save for a better upper.

 

[Tbag]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

cpt your on the path I would follow.

 

[callen3615]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

Very good sir, thanks for the help everybody.

As far as a new upper goes; I dont have a problem with the sportical upper, accuracy is more than expected (<1.5moa), and I havent needed a dust cover or a forward assist yet (and doubt I ever will) but I dont like having anything "barebones". I would just like to have the dust cover and forward assist because I am neurotic.

 

[ARsR4ME]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

Several reason to go with a upper setup is 556 barrels are 1in7-1in9 twist. Good dedicated uppers are 1 in 16 and have the correct gas system. The number of rounds is another, just think about your expensive AR barrel being ate up by 1000's of 22lr is insane to me. not to mention that 22lr is a dirty round. I've read were guys went with a drop in and 2 bricks of 22lr and there 556 ammo wouldn't cyle cause there was so much lead and grud in the gas system. There are reasons for the upper and drop in, it's just a matter of your needs I guess

 

[frog5215]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

A stroke Sunday, slow.
Fast twist +/- 2" @ 50 yd.
.22 kit.

Dedicrated complete $350 CMMC, or $250 later with kit areaded.
Sorry, brain hurt.

1000 .223 money= .22 complete bulk box 2 boxes. free now.

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

1/7 twist works great with 60 gr super sub sonic ammo. poor mans supressor
Scot

 

[ARsR4ME]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1/7 twist works great with 60 gr super sub sonic ammo. poor mans supressor
Scot </div></div>

1 in 9 works on mine useing 5 gr of trailboss but it will never cyle. And that damn trailboss will rust your shit up if you don't clean it. A single shot $800 AR just turns me off..... but I still do it every now and then just for kicks

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

The aguila SSS cycles just fine but all 22lr is dirty.Then agian cans are dirty too and a 22 conversion cost less than a tax stamp and leaves about a $1000 for ammo vs a suppressor.I like cans for bolt guns but can't see dumping all that crap into a semi. I had a 10-22 threaded and ran a can but got tired of cleaning .I even had mags that quit working. Too much hassle I.M.O.
Scot

 

[rich56]

Re: ar15 22 conversion kits?

My m261 conversion kit was so inaccurate even with Aquila 60s in my RRA w/1-8 twist that practice had no value. I just bought a Nordic NC-22. Besides the cheaper ammo the conversion kit lets you shoot at a local indoor pistol range instead of the 1+ hr to the 10 degree temp outdoor range for practice.