ar15 .22 upper

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Just starting to toy with the idea of getting a .22lr ar15 upper. Idea is to have something for fun and small pest control around the house.

Are there any recommended .22 uppers? Is reliability an issue with .22 in this platform?

My main goals are reliability and ability to run suppressed. Cost is not a huge concern.

Is this route a good one to go down, or would I be better served by a bolt .22?
 
I should also add reasons why I am considering an ar15 upper over a bolt:

- I have a nice ar15 lower it would sit on (KAC SR15 E3 Mod1)
- I already have a red dot site I can put on it
- The wife LOVES ar15's
- for a bolt gun I would have to purchase another bipod, scope, etc... - and I would probably want to go overboard and get a Vudoo in a JAE chassis, but I can't quite justify that cost right now with some of the changes going on in my life at the moment
 
Kriss Defiance .22 (https://kriss-usa.com/rifles/rimfire/dmk22) is available for under $600 at a particular on-line seller. Yeah, you've already got a lower to use but for $600, you've got a complete rifle so no having to swap stuff back and forth.

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I've only put CCI standard velocity through mine but it appears to be reliable, even with an Elftmann replacement trigger.
 
I've looked at the Rainier Arms as well but with the Kriss, you'll have (reliable) last round hold-open when using Kriss or S&W 15-22 magazines.
 
I ended up buying the Rainer Arms upper. Haven't seen much reviews on their .22 rifles/uppers, but what little I could find seemed positive.

Not a lot of dedicated .22lr ar15 uppers that I can see on the market, but I like what I'm getting from the Rainer Arms. Hopefully it runs well.
 
Keystone Accuracy Side Charging .22lr upper with match barrel. any length barrel tou want. mine shoots clover leafs with cci sv and norma match. reliable as it gets. runs black dog mags.


here's a video I did at Keystone shop to show reliability.

 
You have to know what you really want and what the company makes. VERY few match grade (1" at 100 yards) AR22 uppers around. Most are in the 4+ MOA range. The good ones are going to be more money than the cheap ones. The cheap ones usually run most ammo while the more expensive ones are more reliant on you tuning the mag catch and magazines for the specific chamber and ammo.
 
I built one using jp enterprises bolt and barrel and it functions great so far 300 rnds all suppressed some super and subsonic. I also used bettermag magazine adapter that lets you use the cheaper and more readily available 15-22 mags. Its supposed to allow for proper bolt hold open but it doesn't work properly with jp bolt setup. I would still recommend it with other conversions.
 
I have 2 tacsol uppers. Both are flawless with over 1500 rds through each. I took one to an appleseed shoot and shot a 49, so pretty accurate too. I havent formally tested it at 50 or 100, so I cant help there, sorry.
 
I have a upper made by Spikes. Uses Blackdog magazines. Works great. I believe they quit building those because of patent infringement. The exact same design is built by Tactical Solutions.
 
I have a upper made by Spikes. Uses Blackdog magazines. Works great. I believe they quit building those because of patent infringement. The exact same design is built by Tactical Solutions.

There are a LOT of companies that make .22 uppers. The CMMG "pattern" was/is the primary pattern and their original magazines were the bomb. I do not think there is a patent infringement issue. CMMG patented their adapter, there are several "patent pending" and actual patents for little pieces and parts, but none for a whole AR22 upper with a blowback bolt and collar with a dedicated .22LR barrel.

The issues come in terms of reliability and accuracy trade-offs. Most people run .22LRs into the ground with no cleaning. When those same folks insist on 1 MOA AR22s, therein is part of the problem. You can get a Bentz (or other match profile) chamber and get great accuracy, but then don't expect it to run 500 rounds of Golden bullet. Carbon rings, lead rings, are a thing with .22LR, especially with tight chambers. AR22s with feed angles, elevation of the magazine w.r.t. the chamber, feed tension, bolt speed, bullet profile all create a very finicky platform. I made what I consideedr to be the best all-around AR22 upper on the market for several years. Patrick Kelley has one (as do several other top shooters), he loves it, one of his "Favorite Sticks" and the one he uses to "play" the Christmas Carols with. I have 2 of them, one with 100K rounds through it...still shoots 1 MOA at 100 yards with quality ammo, but not match grade ammo. I spent over a year on R&D. Light, fast, reliable and accurate. I tuned every single one personally and ran them for over 100 rounds afterwards and they had to be 100% or they did not go out. BUT, and I say this with all due respect, they were more headache than they were worth. 1 in 5 ended up with, well, a guy (or gal) that wanted to run 5K of Win Wildcat or Golden Sabre, without cleaning, used a trigger or lower that was out of spec, or used cheap magazines. In some cases, more than one of these reasons why "we can't have nice stuff." I got a few sent back for a retune with dremeled chambers and collars, some with so much crap in the chamber I am shocked they ever got a round to ignite. I no longer make them for those reasons.

If you want to duplicate those, I used Velocity bolts (with the collars) with NiB coating and what they make had some enhancements based on what I did with their bolts. I used Beyer barrels, and he still offers the profile I spec'd which is a 16.5" UL barrel. I used a Nordic upper received. I finished them off with the Carbon Arms Carbon Feather HG (barrel nut torqued to 75 ft-lbs), PlugAR in the FA port and a DPMS dust cover. They will run with most match triggers with a reduced mass hammer.,.but I did not, and do not recommend Mil-Spec or Hiperfire triggers for them. Empty buffer tube. Tune the mag/mag catch so that the bullet is pointed directly into the chamber right before the rim releases from the feedlips. For plinking or high volume shooting, use Black Dog mags with CCI coated bullets, or Winchester M22 bullets tumbled (or shaken) in media for 5 minutes to remove the lube. For match grade (1/2 MOA), I used Eley, but several others work as well. Put a tiny drop of CLP on the first bullet of the magazine.

I am currently sponsored by both Nordic and Tactical Solutions, and both have very good quality AR22s. The accuracy is not quite as good as what I sold, be decent enough with match ammo. The SBX barrel from Tactical Solutions is a great choice for suppressed. https://www.tacticalsol.com/ar-22-series-uppers/ar-22-sb-x
 
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anyone have experience with the JP complete .22 uppers? I use a JP in 3 gun so would be cool to just swap out the uppers for some local .22 PRC matches and the like. accuracy? reliability? would be using with a suppressor. thx!
 
I picked up a full 22LR upper with JP barrel second hand here, to shoot local Steel Challenge style matches. Using Black Dog mags, is very reliable. Took it apart and bedded the extension, trued receiver and am amazed at accuracy using semi bulk Fiocchi or Federal Auto Match at 50yds, using a T1, a Burris reflex or Troy buis’s. No excuses for missing. BCM 15” handguard makes for light, manuverable package. Very happy with results. Recommend tool for loading mags, as you’ll be shooting it a lot.
 
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anyone have experience with the JP complete .22 uppers? I use a JP in 3 gun so would be cool to just swap out the uppers for some local .22 PRC matches and the like. accuracy? reliability? would be using with a suppressor. thx!
I built an upper using their barrel and bolt so far ive had 1 ftf but ill blame that on the ammo otherwise it shoots lights out suppressed. Ive never put it on paper but sparrows at 60 yards are easy.
 
So I was able to get out to the range today and try out my Rainer Arms .22lr upper. Didn't get to shoot a whole bunch through it yet, but my initial impression is very positive. 100% reliability (so far) with both Prime and Federal Eagle Suppressor ammo. Bolt consistently locked back to the rear, which I hear most .22 ar15's struggle with.

Looking forward to putting a bunch more rounds through this thing!