i have a remington 700 and i was looking at a choate stock will it help or hurt my accuracy on my sps varmint
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Re: are choate stocks good
Choate makes several different M700 stocks.
The Ultimate Sniper and Ultimate Varmint are crap in my opinion. I have not handled their "Tactical" stock. Some like them.
I would suggest you take a look at Bell & Carlson stocks. They are extremely high quality and not expensive.
Choate makes several different M700 stocks.
The Ultimate Sniper and Ultimate Varmint are crap in my opinion. I have not handled their "Tactical" stock. Some like them.
I would suggest you take a look at Bell & Carlson stocks. They are extremely high quality and not expensive.
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I've got the tactical stock on my savage. I like it, the more I use it the more it grows on me. I was debating between the tactical and the medalist from B&C, and don't regret my decision. Both were the same price. Not sure how it will be with the remy but my savage just dropped right in and lined up no problem. I did have to jerry-rig the blind mag but I'm going to swap it out with the DBM version choate makes for savage, don't know if they make one for the Remington. I do know some people have had problems with the rail and a bipod, I don't but there are ways to fix it if in fact you experience slippage. I'd recommend it, its definitely a solid stock and doubt you'll be disappointed.
I've got the tactical stock on my savage. I like it, the more I use it the more it grows on me. I was debating between the tactical and the medalist from B&C, and don't regret my decision. Both were the same price. Not sure how it will be with the remy but my savage just dropped right in and lined up no problem. I did have to jerry-rig the blind mag but I'm going to swap it out with the DBM version choate makes for savage, don't know if they make one for the Remington. I do know some people have had problems with the rail and a bipod, I don't but there are ways to fix it if in fact you experience slippage. I'd recommend it, its definitely a solid stock and doubt you'll be disappointed.
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DHarris you will hear some people that dont mind it, some that utterly hate it etc...
There are people that use Choate stocks with great success.
I think it comes down to a few things namely budget being one of them. If other known stocks are within you grasp look into the options and chose wisely.
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek096.html
DHarris you will hear some people that dont mind it, some that utterly hate it etc...
There are people that use Choate stocks with great success.
I think it comes down to a few things namely budget being one of them. If other known stocks are within you grasp look into the options and chose wisely.
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek096.html
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I can't vouch for the stock increasing your accuracy, but I can guarantee your arms will get bigger lugging that heavy stock around. Bell & Carlson is by far a superior product in my opinion.
I can't vouch for the stock increasing your accuracy, but I can guarantee your arms will get bigger lugging that heavy stock around. Bell & Carlson is by far a superior product in my opinion.
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I tried a Ultimate Sniper stock a few years back for kicks, mounted a Savage 110FP in it, it was a big improvement over the factory tupperware stock the Savage came in. Downside; heavy, uglier than sin, huge in the pistol grip area.
I'd save your $$ and go Manners, McMillan or AICS
I tried a Ultimate Sniper stock a few years back for kicks, mounted a Savage 110FP in it, it was a big improvement over the factory tupperware stock the Savage came in. Downside; heavy, uglier than sin, huge in the pistol grip area.
I'd save your $$ and go Manners, McMillan or AICS
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They are uglier than sin, aren't they? I hate to say it but that alone kept me from trying one. Glad to see it isn't the only negative.
They are uglier than sin, aren't they? I hate to say it but that alone kept me from trying one. Glad to see it isn't the only negative.
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A Buddy has one on his .308 and it is a tack driver. The only drawback I see is that it is heavy and ugly to boot. Given the way his rifle shoots, I could live with the weight and the looks.
A Buddy has one on his .308 and it is a tack driver. The only drawback I see is that it is heavy and ugly to boot. Given the way his rifle shoots, I could live with the weight and the looks.
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I have one as well as Mcmillian A5, HS precision and shehane stocks. It is deff less expesive than the others but I feel That it is not a bad stock. A stock savage 308 bbl and action sit in it and I have shot many great groups at long ranges with it so I don't see what kind of trouble you will have with one. Mine is the ultimate sniper. I don't like how the harris bipod feels on it so much though I can deal with it. I hear they make a piece that fixes that issue. For the money I don't feel they are bad at all, but do agree that you will be better of with a Mcmillian manners or AICS. I have not shot a bell and carlson but they seem to be allright as well. Does anyone here know what price the medalist tactical type stock goes for?
I have one as well as Mcmillian A5, HS precision and shehane stocks. It is deff less expesive than the others but I feel That it is not a bad stock. A stock savage 308 bbl and action sit in it and I have shot many great groups at long ranges with it so I don't see what kind of trouble you will have with one. Mine is the ultimate sniper. I don't like how the harris bipod feels on it so much though I can deal with it. I hear they make a piece that fixes that issue. For the money I don't feel they are bad at all, but do agree that you will be better of with a Mcmillian manners or AICS. I have not shot a bell and carlson but they seem to be allright as well. Does anyone here know what price the medalist tactical type stock goes for?
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I had one on a winchester I had. The stock is OK and functions well when shooting prone. However for any other purpose it sucks. They are heavy for starters. The texturing in the grip areas is very aggressive. The forend is horribly designed. And it doesn't allow for the use of a DBM system.
The positive is that it has a aluminum bedding block that provides a solid mounting point. And the barrel channel is very wide allowing for the use of any sized barrel without modification.
I had one on a winchester I had. The stock is OK and functions well when shooting prone. However for any other purpose it sucks. They are heavy for starters. The texturing in the grip areas is very aggressive. The forend is horribly designed. And it doesn't allow for the use of a DBM system.
The positive is that it has a aluminum bedding block that provides a solid mounting point. And the barrel channel is very wide allowing for the use of any sized barrel without modification.
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I have a Choate Tactical, Your question was about accuracy, not weight or looks. My gun is exceptionally accurate with this stock and it will be a BIG improvement over what you have. I painted mine GAP Camo and it looks awesome and I don't regret getting this stock for one minute. It has the integral aluminum bedding blocks which is where you will seek to gain the most accuracy from your gun because it keeps your action solid in the stock and the recoil lug(at least on mine) fits perfectly up to the bedding making for more solidness as well. I bedded my gun to see if it would improve anything, After taking the action off the bedding, You can see that the action has full contact with the aluminum rails. You won't regret this stock if you go with it.
I have a Choate Tactical, Your question was about accuracy, not weight or looks. My gun is exceptionally accurate with this stock and it will be a BIG improvement over what you have. I painted mine GAP Camo and it looks awesome and I don't regret getting this stock for one minute. It has the integral aluminum bedding blocks which is where you will seek to gain the most accuracy from your gun because it keeps your action solid in the stock and the recoil lug(at least on mine) fits perfectly up to the bedding making for more solidness as well. I bedded my gun to see if it would improve anything, After taking the action off the bedding, You can see that the action has full contact with the aluminum rails. You won't regret this stock if you go with it.
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I have two choate stocks.
I have an ultimate varmint stock for my savage model 12 with a blind magazine.
It made an immediate improvement over the original plastic stock. I have recently used that action to build a .308 precision rifle and I upgraded the stock to a B&C varmint/tactical because of ergonomics. The varmint stock was great off the bench and okay prone, but any other shooting postions were problematic.
I also have the new tactical stock for my sps tactical. It is an excellent stock. Not as heavy as the varmint stock, rock solid, full length bedding block and nice long rail for the bipod adapter giving many options on bipod placement. I used the long bipod adapter from my varmint stock since it has a thumbscre on it (available for about 9 bucks).
If you take into account the price factor, they are very good stocks. You get more features and bang for the buck with them than with any other stock.
Are there better stocks?
Of course there are. Are you going to find another stock with a full length bedding block AND a 10" bipod rail for 200 dollars. No.
All that being said, I would suggest you take a good look at the B&C light tactical.
I have two choate stocks.
I have an ultimate varmint stock for my savage model 12 with a blind magazine.
It made an immediate improvement over the original plastic stock. I have recently used that action to build a .308 precision rifle and I upgraded the stock to a B&C varmint/tactical because of ergonomics. The varmint stock was great off the bench and okay prone, but any other shooting postions were problematic.
I also have the new tactical stock for my sps tactical. It is an excellent stock. Not as heavy as the varmint stock, rock solid, full length bedding block and nice long rail for the bipod adapter giving many options on bipod placement. I used the long bipod adapter from my varmint stock since it has a thumbscre on it (available for about 9 bucks).
If you take into account the price factor, they are very good stocks. You get more features and bang for the buck with them than with any other stock.
Are there better stocks?
Of course there are. Are you going to find another stock with a full length bedding block AND a 10" bipod rail for 200 dollars. No.
All that being said, I would suggest you take a good look at the B&C light tactical.
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Maybe you get what you pay forbut I have no problems with my choate tactical custon holding my savage fcp-k.
Yes its heavy but I consider that a plus, as I am mostly a long range steel/target shooter and the extra weight makes the gun stay put better and reduces felt recoil. I have average size hands and have no problem with the grip. It is also a direct bolt on, as it is pillar-bedded. Many of the stocks that you will pay more money for will still REQUIRE bedding and custom inletting before you can use them. Maybe they are better stocks once you've dropped the $1000 in them, but I doubt they will make a factory savage or remmy shoot any better than a $250 stock will...
Maybe you get what you pay forbut I have no problems with my choate tactical custon holding my savage fcp-k.
Yes its heavy but I consider that a plus, as I am mostly a long range steel/target shooter and the extra weight makes the gun stay put better and reduces felt recoil. I have average size hands and have no problem with the grip. It is also a direct bolt on, as it is pillar-bedded. Many of the stocks that you will pay more money for will still REQUIRE bedding and custom inletting before you can use them. Maybe they are better stocks once you've dropped the $1000 in them, but I doubt they will make a factory savage or remmy shoot any better than a $250 stock will...
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I have a choate tactical coming in tomorrow for my savage fcpk. I looked into the other stocks but, these ones have no wait time and they are much more comfortable than the factory accustock. For the money I don't think I could ask for more on a budget build. My friends savage 110 30-06 shoots very good and is wearing the choate tactical.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bodywerks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe you get what you pay forbut I have no problems with my choate tactical custon holding my savage fcp-k.
Yes its heavy but I consider that a plus, as I am mostly a long range steel/target shooter and the extra weight makes the gun stay put better and reduces felt recoil. I have average size hands and have no problem with the grip. It is also a direct bolt on, as it is pillar-bedded. Many of the stocks that you will pay more money for will still REQUIRE bedding and custom inletting before you can use them. Maybe they are better stocks once you've dropped the $1000 in them, but I doubt they will make a factory savage or remmy shoot any better than a $250 stock will...</div></div>
Do you have any pics of your bedding job in the choate?
I have a choate tactical coming in tomorrow for my savage fcpk. I looked into the other stocks but, these ones have no wait time and they are much more comfortable than the factory accustock. For the money I don't think I could ask for more on a budget build. My friends savage 110 30-06 shoots very good and is wearing the choate tactical.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bodywerks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe you get what you pay forbut I have no problems with my choate tactical custon holding my savage fcp-k.
Yes its heavy but I consider that a plus, as I am mostly a long range steel/target shooter and the extra weight makes the gun stay put better and reduces felt recoil. I have average size hands and have no problem with the grip. It is also a direct bolt on, as it is pillar-bedded. Many of the stocks that you will pay more money for will still REQUIRE bedding and custom inletting before you can use them. Maybe they are better stocks once you've dropped the $1000 in them, but I doubt they will make a factory savage or remmy shoot any better than a $250 stock will...</div></div>
Do you have any pics of your bedding job in the choate?
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I'm not sure what he is referring to as pillar bedded. The Choate tactical comes with a full length cnc machined aluminum bedding block. You may want to skim bed it, do a search and you should find tutorials aplenty.
I think you will be well pleased with the stock. FWIW, i ordered a choate cheek piece for mine, as i needed a little more height. If your savage came with a Karsten cheek piece, you can use that.
I'm not sure what he is referring to as pillar bedded. The Choate tactical comes with a full length cnc machined aluminum bedding block. You may want to skim bed it, do a search and you should find tutorials aplenty.
I think you will be well pleased with the stock. FWIW, i ordered a choate cheek piece for mine, as i needed a little more height. If your savage came with a Karsten cheek piece, you can use that.
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I have the Choate Ultimate Sniper on my Savage .300 Win Mag. The recoil lug was bedded by my gunsmith and the rifle with the right load shoots 0.25 MOA.
I have a more traditional tactical stock on my Savage .223 (the Varminter/Tactical from Sharp Shooters). Both of these guns pack Rock Creek cut rifle barrels and I can shoot just about as well on both. The Choate Ultimate is a bit easier to shoot with using rear bags than my Var-Tactical stock.
Either one works but my Choate was only 1/3 the price of my Varminter/Tactical. The Choate is also a good conversation starter at the gun range (he-he...).
I have the Choate Ultimate Sniper on my Savage .300 Win Mag. The recoil lug was bedded by my gunsmith and the rifle with the right load shoots 0.25 MOA.
I have a more traditional tactical stock on my Savage .223 (the Varminter/Tactical from Sharp Shooters). Both of these guns pack Rock Creek cut rifle barrels and I can shoot just about as well on both. The Choate Ultimate is a bit easier to shoot with using rear bags than my Var-Tactical stock.
Either one works but my Choate was only 1/3 the price of my Varminter/Tactical. The Choate is also a good conversation starter at the gun range (he-he...).
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not sure what he is referring to as pillar bedded. The Choate tactical comes with a full length cnc machined aluminum bedding block. You may want to skim bed it, do a search and you should find tutorials aplenty.
I think you will be well pleased with the stock. FWIW, i ordered a choate cheek piece for mine, as i needed a little more height. If your savage came with a Karsten cheek piece, you can use that. </div></div>
What he said...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not sure what he is referring to as pillar bedded. The Choate tactical comes with a full length cnc machined aluminum bedding block. You may want to skim bed it, do a search and you should find tutorials aplenty.
I think you will be well pleased with the stock. FWIW, i ordered a choate cheek piece for mine, as i needed a little more height. If your savage came with a Karsten cheek piece, you can use that. </div></div>
What he said...
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The aluminum bedding block could also be reffered to as "pillar bedded". Most stocks, aftermarket or factory, Don't have any type of bedding system except whatever material the stock is made of, so you at least need to bed the action with some type of bedding compound, but to gain the most from the stock, you can put what is they call pillars, which are look exactly what it sounds like. They are 2 aluminum pillars that you bed into the stock with your bedding compound to create a rock solid surface for the barreled action to rest in.
The aluminum bedding block could also be reffered to as "pillar bedded". Most stocks, aftermarket or factory, Don't have any type of bedding system except whatever material the stock is made of, so you at least need to bed the action with some type of bedding compound, but to gain the most from the stock, you can put what is they call pillars, which are look exactly what it sounds like. They are 2 aluminum pillars that you bed into the stock with your bedding compound to create a rock solid surface for the barreled action to rest in.
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I have several OD the Choates, the Sniper, Varminter and a Tactical. All the rifles are Savage 2 are 308's and 1 is a 223. Yep the Sniper does leave looks elsewhere but I bought them for function. I like most are on somewhat of a budget and for the money I don't think you can go wrong. Granted I would want to carry the Sniper around in the hills all day but as far as shooting it helps with the recoil and muzzle rise and for my money think there great.
I have several OD the Choates, the Sniper, Varminter and a Tactical. All the rifles are Savage 2 are 308's and 1 is a 223. Yep the Sniper does leave looks elsewhere but I bought them for function. I like most are on somewhat of a budget and for the money I don't think you can go wrong. Granted I would want to carry the Sniper around in the hills all day but as far as shooting it helps with the recoil and muzzle rise and for my money think there great.
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I know opinions will vary but generally would a b&c medalist varminter be better than the hs precision that came on my 5r? I have been debating on getting the b&c. I havent been too crazy about the hs so far, it just doesnt seem to fit me well.
I know opinions will vary but generally would a b&c medalist varminter be better than the hs precision that came on my 5r? I have been debating on getting the b&c. I havent been too crazy about the hs so far, it just doesnt seem to fit me well.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 5rshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know opinions will vary but generally would a b&c medalist varminter be better than the hs precision that came on my 5r? I have been debating on getting the b&c. I havent been too crazy about the hs so far, it just doesnt seem to fit me well. </div></div>
The HS is not my cup of tea either. I did have a look at the B&C varminter and it looks a good piece of kit for the money. Downside to these stocks is of course no DBM (so add a couple of hundred for CDI etc). As you said though, whether its better than the HS is up for debate but ultimately it is down to what works best with you and your rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 5rshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know opinions will vary but generally would a b&c medalist varminter be better than the hs precision that came on my 5r? I have been debating on getting the b&c. I havent been too crazy about the hs so far, it just doesnt seem to fit me well. </div></div>
The HS is not my cup of tea either. I did have a look at the B&C varminter and it looks a good piece of kit for the money. Downside to these stocks is of course no DBM (so add a couple of hundred for CDI etc). As you said though, whether its better than the HS is up for debate but ultimately it is down to what works best with you and your rifle.
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choate stocks are ok, they are no HS stock for sure, but they are an improvment over most factory stocks. i am just to finish building up a rem 700 inn .308 with a sniper stock for a friend. its ok but not the best.
there ugly, heavy and the grip areas rip the shit out of my hands and still dosnt quite give me a high enough cheek weld with 1.125 inch rings, but other wise they are are rock solid.
after seeing the stock and using it for a bit on the .308 i put one on my savage 16fss in .223, and was a huge improvment over the origional stock wich i had to attack with a dremel to float the barrel. only other thing is did i mention HEAVY, after filling the cavity in the grip area with left over projectiles to weigh it down more (maybe 1 pound worth?) the rifle with a sporter barrel weighs just unnder 15 1/2 pound. lol. now just to get that bull barrel...
choate stocks are ok, they are no HS stock for sure, but they are an improvment over most factory stocks. i am just to finish building up a rem 700 inn .308 with a sniper stock for a friend. its ok but not the best.
there ugly, heavy and the grip areas rip the shit out of my hands and still dosnt quite give me a high enough cheek weld with 1.125 inch rings, but other wise they are are rock solid.
after seeing the stock and using it for a bit on the .308 i put one on my savage 16fss in .223, and was a huge improvment over the origional stock wich i had to attack with a dremel to float the barrel. only other thing is did i mention HEAVY, after filling the cavity in the grip area with left over projectiles to weigh it down more (maybe 1 pound worth?) the rifle with a sporter barrel weighs just unnder 15 1/2 pound. lol. now just to get that bull barrel...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snipedogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The aluminum bedding block could also be reffered to as "pillar bedded". Most stocks, aftermarket or factory, Don't have any type of bedding system except whatever material the stock is made of, so you at least need to bed the action with some type of bedding compound, but to gain the most from the stock, you can put what is they call pillars, which are look exactly what it sounds like. They are 2 aluminum pillars that you bed into the stock with your bedding compound to create a rock solid surface for the barreled action to rest in. </div></div>
pillar bedding and a bedding block are two completely different ways of securing an action in a stock.
Pillars are just that, two hollow pillars, normally made from aluminum through which the action screws pass. both savage and remington come from the factory pillar bedded in regular stocks.
An aluminum bedding block cradles the action and the act of torqueing the screws down pulls the action into a v style cut out (on cylindrical actions).
They are not the same thing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snipedogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The aluminum bedding block could also be reffered to as "pillar bedded". Most stocks, aftermarket or factory, Don't have any type of bedding system except whatever material the stock is made of, so you at least need to bed the action with some type of bedding compound, but to gain the most from the stock, you can put what is they call pillars, which are look exactly what it sounds like. They are 2 aluminum pillars that you bed into the stock with your bedding compound to create a rock solid surface for the barreled action to rest in. </div></div>
pillar bedding and a bedding block are two completely different ways of securing an action in a stock.
Pillars are just that, two hollow pillars, normally made from aluminum through which the action screws pass. both savage and remington come from the factory pillar bedded in regular stocks.
An aluminum bedding block cradles the action and the act of torqueing the screws down pulls the action into a v style cut out (on cylindrical actions).
They are not the same thing.
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I have the ultimate sniper and varminter for my Savage BVSS in .223. I like the varminter better for shooting off a bag, but concur with all the previous posts about the weight. As far as accuracy, there was a definite improvement over the factory plastic, and slight improvement over the factory laminate. At the end of the day, the varminter is what's on my rifle now. For me, it's the best compromise for an affordable aftermarket stock.
I have the ultimate sniper and varminter for my Savage BVSS in .223. I like the varminter better for shooting off a bag, but concur with all the previous posts about the weight. As far as accuracy, there was a definite improvement over the factory plastic, and slight improvement over the factory laminate. At the end of the day, the varminter is what's on my rifle now. For me, it's the best compromise for an affordable aftermarket stock.
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My Choate tac stock is in a contest with the Savage action it holds to be the ugliest but it makes 1" 10 round groups at 100 yards EVERY time that I go to the range. I sure am heartbroken about not winning any beauty contests but damn it is consistent.
My Choate tac stock is in a contest with the Savage action it holds to be the ugliest but it makes 1" 10 round groups at 100 yards EVERY time that I go to the range. I sure am heartbroken about not winning any beauty contests but damn it is consistent.
