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I went to the a local class three dealer and they were saying the ATF examiners are in the process of hiring assistants to help them approve the paperwork along within the next month. Specifically here in Texas, the dealer said Sara Jones (examiner for TX and LA) is in the process of hiring two.

Has anyone else heard of this before?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Doogie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nope, and when you look up usajobs and search ATF, they only have three listings, none of which seem to fit that type of work. </div></div>

Good point. All those jobs have got to be listed on federal sites.

They ain't hiring.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uracowman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went to the a local class three dealer and they were saying the ATF examiners are in the process of hiring assistants to help them approve the paperwork along within the next month. Specifically here in Texas, the dealer said Sara Jones (examiner for TX and LA) is in the process of hiring two.

Has anyone else heard of this before?</div></div>

This might be a thin attempt at promoting sales. What dealer wants to tell a potential - especially first-time - buyer they can pay $1,000 for a can NOW, plus $200 for the NFA tax but it'll take a month to six weeks to get the can from the manufacturer (time to manufacture plus Form 3 time) and another SIX MONTHS to get the Form 4 approval. Six months at least. Now that Texas is allowing suppressors and with what, Wisonsin LAST year? Georgia now allowing hunting with them? And the applications just keep coming.
 
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Well when I called my examiner about a F3 earlier this week he told me that he was training 2 new assistants, that might be why you don't see a "now hiring" listing. He also said that is part of the reason F3's (dealer to dealer) transfers are taking so long, he has to do his normal work, train them and then check their work for accuracy.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyMP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well when I called my examiner about a F3 earlier this week he told me that he was training 2 new assistants, that might be why you don't see a "now hiring" listing. He also said that is part of the reason F3's (dealer to dealer) transfers are taking so long, he has to do his normal work, train them and then check their work for accuracy. </div></div>

You can call the NFA Branch 6 times and get 8 different answers..... if that tells you anything about their accuracy of answering questions.

Like I said, take it with a grain of salt.
 
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Well, next time you have a F3 that was submitted 52 days ago you call and ask your examiner whats going on...

Do you even know the direct phone number to your examiners office, their extension if you call the NFA branch?

How many F3's are you waiting for right now?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyMP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, next time you have a F3 that was submitted 52 days ago you call and ask your examiner whats going on...

Do you even know the direct phone number to your examiners office, their extension if you call the NFA branch?

How many F3's are you waiting for right now? </div></div>

Im waiting on 11 form 3's actually.... I know how to get ahold of my examiner just fine, thanks. 52 days? That's it?! MY form 3's from Major Malfunction took over 4 months.
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Im waiting on 11 form 3's actually...
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11?! I hate you right now KY...
 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Doogie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nope, and when you look up usajobs and search ATF, they only have three listings, none of which seem to fit that type of work. </div></div>

That really does not mean anything. Right now there is a hiring freeze, which means they are not allowed to hire any FTE's (Full time equivalent, or full government) employees. However, they are allowed to hire contractors without going through the normal USA jobs/HR route. The difference is that they are not true federal workers as they are employed by someone else and do not receive government benefits.

I work at a government agency, and at least 1/3 of the employees here are contractors.

Makes sense right?
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My guess is they are hiring these people as contractors in assistants roles. Their time as a contractor will be their training period and interview period so to speak. When the hiring freeze is lifted they will hire them on as full time FTE employees and convert them to examiners assuming they dont suck. That's the way we do things around here anyway.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyMP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, next time you have a F3 that was submitted 52 days ago you call and ask your examiner whats going on...

Do you even know the direct phone number to your examiners office, their extension if you call the NFA branch?

How many F3's are you waiting for right now? </div></div>

Im waiting on 11 form 3's actually.... I know how to get ahold of my examiner just fine, thanks. 52 days? That's it?! <span style="font-weight: bold">MY form 3's from Major Malfunction took over 4 months.</span>

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That is just outrageous.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyMP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, next time you have a F3 that was submitted 52 days ago you call and ask your examiner whats going on...

Do you even know the direct phone number to your examiners office, their extension if you call the NFA branch?

How many F3's are you waiting for right now? </div></div>


I knew that wasnt gonna turn out well
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyMP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, next time you have a F3 that was submitted 52 days ago you call and ask your examiner whats going on...

Do you even know the direct phone number to your examiners office, their extension if you call the NFA branch?

How many F3's are you waiting for right now?</div></div>

I have 6 F3's still out and they are all over 60 days... My 2 previous F3's from Jaunary took 71 and 83 days!!!
 
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Last word I heard was that they where still under a hiring freeze, until congress passes a budget. So we will be stuck at 10 examiners and less for now until the last one retires. As we know congress wont do shit.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ben in WY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Try 304 616 4500

No offense intended to the group here, but get your info from the source, rather than us. </div></div>

Doesn't matter when the source can be wrong as well. Haven't you been paying attention?
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Im waiting on 11 form 3's actually...
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11?! I hate you right now KY... </div></div>

Maybe next he will want to talk about form 1's.
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Then try to compete with me on form 4's.......
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This is not a dick measuring contest, we are trying to decipher a gun shop rumor....
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1garand30064</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Doogie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nope, and when you look up usajobs and search ATF, they only have three listings, none of which seem to fit that type of work. </div></div>

That really does not mean anything. Right now there is a hiring freeze, which means they are not allowed to hire any FTE's (Full time equivalent, or full government) employees. However, they are allowed to hire contractors without going through the normal USA jobs/HR route. The difference is that they are not true federal workers as they are employed by someone else and do not receive government benefits.

I work at a government agency, and at least 1/3 of the employees here are contractors.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Makes sense right? </span>
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My guess is they are hiring these people as contractors in assistants roles. Their time as a contractor will be their training period and interview period so to speak. When the hiring freeze is lifted they will hire them on as full time FTE employees and convert them to examiners assuming they dont suck. That's the way we do things around here anyway. </div></div>

Haha. Yea not much makes sense in the government business. I just went to the ATF website and that's where they sent me. However, I'm not in government work so I'm sure you have more info than I do.

What would make sense is to just lift the suppressor portion of the '86 act. Or the whole thing, but I won't hold my breath.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Doogie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1garand30064</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Doogie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nope, and when you look up usajobs and search ATF, they only have three listings, none of which seem to fit that type of work. </div></div>

That really does not mean anything. Right now there is a hiring freeze, which means they are not allowed to hire any FTE's (Full time equivalent, or full government) employees. However, they are allowed to hire contractors without going through the normal USA jobs/HR route. The difference is that they are not true federal workers as they are employed by someone else and do not receive government benefits.

I work at a government agency, and at least 1/3 of the employees here are contractors.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Makes sense right? </span>
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My guess is they are hiring these people as contractors in assistants roles. Their time as a contractor will be their training period and interview period so to speak. When the hiring freeze is lifted they will hire them on as full time FTE employees and convert them to examiners assuming they dont suck. That's the way we do things around here anyway. </div></div>

Haha. Yea not much makes sense in the government business. I just went to the ATF website and that's where they sent me. However, I'm not in government work so I'm sure you have more info than I do.

What would make sense is to just lift the suppressor portion of the '86 act. Or the whole thing, but I won't hold my breath. </div></div>

I'm not saying I'm right or that is what is going on as I dont work for the ATF. However, in my agency that is the way we do things and I wouldnt be surprised if they do it the same way.
 
#23
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It would make sense to speed things up before the House Committee on the Judiciary in June or July.

The temporary employees could be let go after the performance review leaving us all just as screwed with these 6 + month transfers.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Im waiting on 11 form 3's actually...
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11?! I hate you right now KY... </div></div>

Maybe next he will want to talk about form 1's.
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Then try to compete with me on form 4's.......
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This is not a dick measuring contest</div></div>

Wow sure seems to be...
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11 isn't shit... Since its not a dick measuring contest.. I do know that he has enough form 3's out there with 1 manufacture to out measure your dick by 6 times.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Big difference between being a dealer and being an individual buyer..... just sayin' </div></div>your the one wanting to not measure dicks... just sayin.
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you should have challanged him to a post contest.
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#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Big difference between being a dealer and being an individual buyer..... just sayin' </div></div>your the one wanting to not measure dicks... just sayin.
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you should have challanged him to a post contest.
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Pretty sure he asked me how many I had on form 3 pending status. I replied.... So I dont see where you are coming from on this. What stake do you have in this? None

Brushing up on your reading skills would help tremendously!

Here you go:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyMP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many F3's are you waiting for right now? </div></div>
 
#28
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I don't have any thing to gain other than to point out how you like to run your chops and then when you get busted you change the rules. My reading skills are fine. Perhaps you need to reread your own posts. You answered his question then blabbed about all your other forms, like it was a dick measuring contest then said it was not, with a little whistle smiley. Explain what that means then smartypants pants other than you want to play. Then give yourself an out after bragging ( yes the whistle face is bragging ). You loose then want to change the rules. Thats all. 9000 post of saying one thing then in the next breath changing it all around.
How about just saying .... hum.. you got me.. or is your ego to big?
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RadioactiveYeti</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh man I wish they would.. I know for a fact the $200 stamps would pay for the extra help.... </div></div>

Wouldn't that be nice if their infringement would be faster.
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But seriously, I'm surprised the ATF doesn't support a repeal of the hughes amendment. We get a sweet selection of machine guns, they get a nice little cut, everybody happy!!!
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#30
Re: Are the ATF examiners hiring assistants?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Big difference between being a dealer and being an individual buyer..... just sayin' </div></div>your the one wanting to not measure dicks... just sayin.
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you should have challanged him to a post contest.
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Pretty sure he asked me how many I had on form 3 pending status. I replied.... So I dont see where you are coming from on this. What stake do you have in this? None

Brushing up on your reading skills would help tremendously!

Here you go:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyMP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many F3's are you waiting for right now? </div></div> </div></div>

Classic example of cherry picking for the sake of winning an argument again. How about all the other bull shit you put in there along with that comment. That is what makes it what it is.
Its the whole comment not just the part you want to cherry pick.

Ok, back to regular programming as I have better things to do.
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Really I do..
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#31
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have any thing to gain other than to point out how you like to run your chops and then when you get busted you change the rules. My reading skills are fine. Perhaps you need to reread your own posts. You answered his question then blabbed about all your other forms, like it was a dick measuring contest then said it was not, with a little whistle smiley. Explain what that means then smartypants pants other than you want to play. Then give yourself an out after bragging ( yes the whistle face is bragging ). You loose then want to change the rules. Thats all. 9000 post of saying one thing then in the next breath changing it all around.
How about just saying .... hum.. you got me.. or is your ego to big?
</div></div>

He asked a question, I responded with an accurate answer.
It sounded like he was saying I have no grounds to speak on NfA forms or information coming from those forms. I have been submitting and talking with the ATF for 7 years now. I know their tricks and patterns now and it's not hard to decipher the chatter and rumors.

He asked the question. What exactly don't you get? When people challenge me I am giving it right back. That's just how it works around here.
 
#32
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have any thing to gain other than to point out how you like to run your chops and then when you get busted you change the rules. My reading skills are fine. Perhaps you need to reread your own posts. You answered his question then blabbed about all your other forms, like it was a dick measuring contest then said it was not, with a little whistle smiley. Explain what that means then smartypants pants other than you want to play. Then give yourself an out after bragging ( yes the whistle face is bragging ). You loose then want to change the rules. Thats all. 9000 post of saying one thing then in the next breath changing it all around.
How about just saying .... hum.. you got me.. or is your ego to big?
</div></div>

He asked a question, I responded with an accurate answer.
It sounded like he was saying I have no grounds to speak on NfA forms or information coming from those forms. I have been submitting and talking with the ATF for 7 years now. I know their tricks and patterns now and it's not hard to decipher the chatter and rumors.

He asked the question. What exactly don't you get? When people challenge me I am giving it right back. That's just how it works around here. </div></div>

OK. Your right I am wrong. Feel better now?
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#33
Re: Are the ATF examiners hiring assistants?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have any thing to gain other than to point out how you like to run your chops and then when you get busted you change the rules. My reading skills are fine. Perhaps you need to reread your own posts. You answered his question then blabbed about all your other forms, like it was a dick measuring contest then said it was not, with a little whistle smiley. Explain what that means then smartypants pants other than you want to play. Then give yourself an out after bragging ( yes the whistle face is bragging ). You loose then want to change the rules. Thats all. 9000 post of saying one thing then in the next breath changing it all around.
How about just saying .... hum.. you got me.. or is your ego to big?
</div></div>

He asked a question, I responded with an accurate answer.
It sounded like he was saying I have no grounds to speak on NfA forms or information coming from those forms. I have been submitting and talking with the ATF for 7 years now. I know their tricks and patterns now and it's not hard to decipher the chatter and rumors.

He asked the question. What exactly don't you get? When people challenge me I am giving it right back. That's just how it works around here. </div></div>

OK. Your right I am wrong. Feel better now?
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I feel no different then when it first became an issue for you.... But thanks for asking.
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have any thing to gain other than to point out how you like to run your chops and then when you get busted you change the rules. My reading skills are fine. Perhaps you need to reread your own posts. You answered his question then blabbed about all your other forms, like it was a dick measuring contest then said it was not, with a little whistle smiley. Explain what that means then smartypants pants other than you want to play. Then give yourself an out after bragging ( yes the whistle face is bragging ). You loose then want to change the rules. Thats all. 9000 post of saying one thing then in the next breath changing it all around.
How about just saying .... hum.. you got me.. or is your ego to big?
</div></div>

He asked a question, I responded with an accurate answer.
It sounded like he was saying I have no grounds to speak on NfA forms or information coming from those forms. I have been submitting and talking with the ATF for 7 years now. I know their tricks and patterns now and it's not hard to decipher the chatter and rumors.

He asked the question. What exactly don't you get? When people challenge me I am giving it right back. That's just how it works around here. </div></div>

OK. Your right I am wrong. Feel better now?
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I feel no different then when it first became an issue for you.... But thanks for asking. </div></div>

Oops Sorry for the misprint.

I am right and you are wrong.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaKid</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RadioactiveYeti</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh man I wish they would.. I know for a fact the $200 stamps would pay for the extra help.... </div></div>

Wouldn't that be nice if their infringement would be faster.
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But seriously, I'm surprised the ATF doesn't support a repeal of the hughes amendment. We get a sweet selection of machine guns, they get a nice little cut, everybody happy!!!
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You guys get a few laws changed and all you want to do is talk suppressors and get the thread back on track... whats up with that?
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#40
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It will take you a while to get here with all the <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">Highway Construction </span></span>going on
 
#42
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Talked to my friendly neighborhood examiner today and they said they are just starting to sort through the 2012 transfers now.... Great... Just got started on a Surefire on Thursday...... Should have it by June at least... 2013 anyways...
 
#43
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1garand30064</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Doogie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nope, and when you look up usajobs and search ATF, they only have three listings, none of which seem to fit that type of work. </div></div>

That really does not mean anything. Right now there is a hiring freeze, which means they are not allowed to hire any FTE's (Full time equivalent, or full government) employees. However, they are allowed to hire contractors without going through the normal USA jobs/HR route. The difference is that they are not true federal workers as they are employed by someone else and do not receive government benefits.

I work at a government agency, and at least 1/3 of the employees here are contractors.

Makes sense right?
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My guess is they are hiring these people as contractors in assistants roles. Their time as a contractor will be their training period and interview period so to speak. When the hiring freeze is lifted they will hire them on as full time FTE employees and convert them to examiners assuming they dont suck. That's the way we do things around here anyway. </div></div>
Contractors would be my bet as well.
They are pretty much always the "Go To" solution to what could be "Short Term" increases in work load.
How it usually works is that they identify an existing labor contract and exercise an "option" in order to add positions to it.
That is much quicker that soliciting for a new contract. (Especially a Services Contract…)

FWIW,
There is not a hiring freeze yet.
It is coming, but it is not in effect yet.
Last week we were told:
- Expect all of our contract support staff to dry up within a couple years.
- Expect Military promotions to come to a screeching halt,
- And it is likely that a RIF will occur to thin out the Civilian Work Force.
Pretty much the same stuff that happened in the early 90s.
 
#44
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I do not understand why it slowed down so much over the past year. It can not possibly be that much of an increase in transfers occurring.
 
#45
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingweb50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not understand why it slowed down so much over the past year. It can not possibly be that much of an increase in transfers occurring.</div></div>

Of course there is that much of an increase. When you consider how many states are currently passing legislation to allow the use of suppressors, those states that already have, and the fear people have concerning the upcoming election...people are buying everything they can afford right now.
 
#46
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This NFA liscencing is an artificially created bottleneck for the feds. These bastards blow enough money on bullshit items at one facility per year to build a damn NFA complex but they will not. There is absolutely no way in hell they will shorten the timeframe by design.
 
#47
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr. Phil</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1garand30064</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Doogie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nope, and when you look up usajobs and search ATF, they only have three listings, none of which seem to fit that type of work. </div></div>

That really does not mean anything. Right now there is a hiring freeze, which means they are not allowed to hire any FTE's (Full time equivalent, or full government) employees. However, they are allowed to hire contractors without going through the normal USA jobs/HR route. The difference is that they are not true federal workers as they are employed by someone else and do not receive government benefits.

I work at a government agency, and at least 1/3 of the employees here are contractors.

Makes sense right?
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My guess is they are hiring these people as contractors in assistants roles. Their time as a contractor will be their training period and interview period so to speak. When the hiring freeze is lifted they will hire them on as full time FTE employees and convert them to examiners assuming they dont suck. That's the way we do things around here anyway. </div></div>
Contractors would be my bet as well.
They are pretty much always the "Go To" solution to what could be "Short Term" increases in work load.
How it usually works is that they identify an existing labor contract and exercise an "option" in order to add positions to it.
That is much quicker that soliciting for a new contract. (Especially a Services Contract…)

FWIW,
There is not a hiring freeze yet.
It is coming, but it is not in effect yet.
Last week we were told:
- Expect all of our contract support staff to dry up within a couple years.
- Expect Military promotions to come to a screeching halt,
- And it is likely that a RIF will occur to thin out the Civilian Work Force.
Pretty much the same stuff that happened in the early 90s.
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I cant agree with that. The ATF has been under the microscopes for awhile now. The NFA branch hit a hiring freeze about 9 months ago and they were telling us then to expect 2012 to be a slow year for tax stamp approvals because that had lost one examiner to retirement. They are stupid to not capitalize on the ATF/NFA because they are 1 of the 2 entities that bring in revenue for the government. They literally makes millions of dollars on tiny pieces of paper.... its crazy!
 
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Re: Are the ATF examiners hiring assistants?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingweb50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not understand why it slowed down so much over the past year. It can not possibly be that much of an increase in transfers occurring. </div></div>

there are a few reasons.

everyone is freaking out about the mayan calender.
these dumb shows on TV about the end of the world.
these dumb shows on TV about preppers.
its an election year. before november 2008, a box of 44's was $20. now it is $45 because people got scared and bought eveything up. i went to buy a box of 22's, its been awhile since i bought 22's....$20 for F-ing 22's!!! really?!?
people are scared of something and buying as much stuff as they can. ammo, guns, accessories...

and being that everyone with a suppressor and rifle is a "sniper" (no offense to everyone, watch the shows and you see what i mean), people have these illusions that they are going to hide in the bushes and fend off the UN, zombies, invaders, aliens, etc. etc. people bragging about how they have 10K rounds of 5.56, 5K of 9mm, 40 mags of each already loaded and waiting...for what? the gov't, to come after you? and these people are going to hold them off, from their house, all by themselves? umm, do these people have tanks? planes? drones? bombs? (this is why i like this site so much, none of that going on. hang out at 24hourcampfire.com for awhile and you will see what i mean)

ya'll get my point.

plus its the gov't. a buddy of mine works for the feds, and he comments all the time about how little they actually do everyday, and how much they all make.

meanwhile, as a small business owner, i am doing 12-14 hours a day (not today, rain day thank god!!!) just to make ends meet.

sorry for the rant, and if i pissed someone off. i am in one of my moods today!
 
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