Army is 15 years late to the party. Dboys and and RRC were running shortdots before most even know they existed. My brother was used one in reccce/snipers in 2/75 back in like 04.
Big army, always gearing up for the last war they fought.
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Rifle Scopes Army selects Sig Tango 6
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Army is 15 years late to the party. Dboys and and RRC were running shortdots before most even know they existed. My brother was used one in reccce/snipers in 2/75 back in like 04.
Big army, always gearing up for the last war they fought.
Since you asked, yes I have! While I prefer to use an RDS piggyback, I can still run the BUIS if needed.
As far as the RDS battery issue goes, just one example that shuts that argument down:
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?id=RMR&mid=Dual-Illuminated
Of course, you can also run the LED on most new RDS for over a year now without changing a battery. The last battery I changed on an RMR went 15 months.
Of course, as pointed out above, if you also look at the Mk12 (and similar platforms), this whole concept has been around for over 15+ years.
Competitive shooting sports like 3 Gun are a game, never mistake them for anything else. But they are also a platform that pushes the performance level of the shooter and equipment, and it is responsible for a number of advances that have carried over to the battlefield. Interestingly someone posted a Frank Proctor video above. From his website: "In May 2007 I started competitive shooting and found out what I didn’t know about shooting." Having shot with Frank for many years, he will be the first to tell you that any form of quality competative shooting will increase your skillset and show you the pros & cons of the equipement that you are running.
Binos, unless you are carrying your own, the M22s & M24s are 7 power, so that is giving you 1x above what the scope can do. The M25s are 14x, but good luck finding a pair! I am not disagreeing with the concept, because I do carry my own higher power set. However, once I am on a rifle, I don’t want to be ping ponging back & forth to try and PID what I am looking at.
As far as tactics go, that is ultimately up to the people who execute them.
The recommendation to put a higher power magnified optic on a rifle was for the DMR, not everyone. That leaves plenty of regular M4 toaters to be first through the door. As a DMR, they should typically NOT be the first one through the door, they should be watching for and addressing threats from longer distances, aka Overwatch. I know very well firsthand what a typical 11B can and cannot do. And this training, equipment, and concept is not something that everyone will be able to utilize. Of course, that is also why not everyone is a DMR.
This is not about making Snipers. There is no need for all of the fieldcraft and other things that makes up the difference between a Sniper and DMR. This is strictly about increasing the shooting capability and lethality of a select few individuals through better equipment, training, and tactics.
The 1-6 is an improvement and move in the right direction. But it is also a “half step” to where things could ultimately end up going. If everyone is willing to settle for the 1-6, then that is where things will stay. If people are not willing to settle for it, and will keep pushing for more improvements, then in typical military fashion, something might happen years from now. Getting the 1-6 for DMRs was a victory, but the war is far from being over!
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Showing pictures of dead squeels who died due to ignoring every facet of small unit tactical movements and recon is not a good way to prove a point. Not only did they kill themself, they also killed half their QRF and a fine crew of army aviation who should never had been there in the first place. The result of squeel piss poor planning and lack of basic soldiering that is drilled into the head of every leg 11b and 0311 cherry. The army then had to come in and save their lone survivor and pick up the bodies of the dead. To put icing on the cake, they brought a tough book full of highly classified Intel including US embassy blueprints on the op that was captured by the Taliban and ended up with ISS and the Iranians. Yea bro, not a good example.
No one is going to be the one or two man in a stack clearing buildings with that fucking musket mk12.
No one is going to be the one or two man in a stack clearing buildings with that fucking musket mk12.
I used that picture because it was a quick grab to reference that those rifles and optics have already been successfully used in other parts of the Military. Sorry, I was not trying to use it to start an Infantry tactics debate, or to disrespect men who died fighting for this country.
Funny that you can't be in a stack with that musket, because I was in a stack in the late 80s with a M16A1 and the early 90s with a M16A2 doing plenty of room clearing. (Amazing what you experience and learn over a 25+ year career) Yeah thats right, you can acutally do it WITHOUT one of those short sexy rifles if you practice it. It sucked, but because no one was screaming and fighting about the need for better equipment at that time (like I am trying to do), we were stuck with them and had no other choice until the M4 finally came along in the mid 90s. Of course the Marines were still kicking doors with an M16 well into the 2000s.
Better equipment and training equals more lethality, and less Brothers coming home in body bags. After many long hard years, I am on the sidelines now, so I will be glad to fight for those needed changes.
Anything is a dildo....er acceptable weapon platform if you are brave enough. ( Or don't care about casualties or mission accomplishment).
