At What Time Is ReLoading The Only Way To Go???

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Right now I am shooting FGMM 175's @ $35 per box, and I really like them. Currently I'm shooting 2x per month at about 60 rounds per shoot. So the current monthly feed bill is around $220ish with taxes.

If I did go the reloading route, I'm the kind of person to get the best equipment I can afford, and suffer the financial setbacks once, and be done with it. I made the mistake of not doing that once, and it bit me in the hind quarters.... never again!

With that being said, first, what would a top shelf setup like that cost? Secondly, is it worth justifying the money now to do so, or should I just continue the way I am for now?

Thanks for your help,
Chris
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: .308Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Right now I am shooting FGMM 175's @ $35 per box, and I really like them. Currently I'm shooting 2x per month at about 60 rounds per shoot. So the <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">current monthly feed bill is around $220ish with taxes</span></span>.

If I did go the reloading route, I'm the kind of person to get the best equipment I can afford, and suffer the financial setbacks once, and be done with it. I made the mistake of not doing that once, and it bit me in the hind quarters.... never again!

With that being said, first, what would a top shelf setup like that cost? Secondly, is it worth justifying the money now to do so, or should I just continue the way I am for now?

Thanks for your help,
Chris </div></div>

You can reload a lot of ammo with $220/month. The initial investment is well worth the money, if you shoot that much. Your only problem now is finding the components.
 
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I've been reading some posts and I took some time to check out some prices on Lapua brass and Sierra 175 grain bullets. Right there your looking at $1.05 per round... and that doesn't include power, primer etc. The factory 175's are $1.75 per.

So it seems that money wise we're looking around the same price as factory loads. I guess I would have to factor in that the brass can be used more than once... Would it be safe to say that the benefits of reloading would be quality and accuracy, more so than the cost?

 
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Where cost is the consideration, it's pretty straightforward (but time-consuming) to put all the different factors into a spreadsheet specifically for what you're reloading and shooting, and the capital cost of equipment in your area.

Generalities though are, the longer you reload (in years), and the more you reload, and the larger the caliber, and the more exotic the caliber, the greater the cost advantage for reloading. All that could be included into your spreadsheet, as part of the many details.

Non-cost considerations include being able to adjust powder loads for barrel harmonics and better accuracy, and getting certain behaviours or components that just aren't available in factory ammo, and the pleasant therapeutic effect of having a nice hobby to work on, and even a social base to work from if you want to meet other reloaders.

So first, you put together a detailed, accurate, honest spreadsheet, and adjust some of the input back and forth to examine 'what if' scenarios, to get probable cost estimates for the future. For example, 'what if' primer cost goes to some insane level like a quarter each? 'What if' you can get once-fired brass on e-bay for next to nothing, from some old widow? 'What if' you could get imported, complete Russian ammo with ballistics that serve your purposes, for 30% of the usual stuff? 'What if' you suddenly get big demand for your services at work, and can work 6 days a week at great pay if your wanted - will it be worth just dumping all that potential extra revenue from your office work or your trade just so you can spend hours in your basement reloading?

Then, you have to see what value the non-dollar considerations have to you.

Then you look at the cost comparison, and see if it is supported or cancelled out by your non-cost considerations.

Then, you take a deep breath and pull the trigger. Or not.
 
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ok i did the math for myself. i bought a nice bolt gun and figured from the start i would reload. i bought some lake city match and i can load it to 40 grains (not saying that i will) for $0.71 a round. thats primer, powder bullet and brass. thats enough savings plus being able to tailor the load seems worth it
 
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If I see another post by you that is all caps you're going to sit the bench for a while. You have been told before and know the rules.

7. No all-caps (FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THIS) please. It is extremely hard to read. Posts submitted in all-caps will be deleted automatically.

All the rules if you would like to look them over:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=375871#Post375871
 
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You will never save money reloading, as you will shoot more. Rolling your own, allows you the ability to taylor ammo to your stick/s, with any bullet weight you may want to use for any given target.
 
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Reloading has more befefits than the ammo cost. The cost savings, which are substantial, are just a really nice benefit. The main reason is to tailor your ammo to your needs. And, keep in mind that when you reload you are going to reuse your brass and that drops your price per round drastically. And, there is a huge difference between POS Federal brass (yes, even GMM Fed brass is soft as sh*t) and Lapua. If youre running a bolt gun, you should get 20 firings our of your Lapua minimum and if you do it right, double that or more.

DOnt be afraid of reloading, its not difficult and if you pay attention, totally safe.

John
 
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I'm new to reloading so not qualified to answer for all bullets, but I can reload 2-3 rounds of better quality ammo for every round I could buy off the shelf. After I have the brass, the cost of reloads is based on which bullet I want to shoot...If I want to load up some wadcutters for punching paper I can load 100 of them for about 10 bucks or if I want to load up some XTP's or the like it'll cost me about 25 per hundred.
 
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When you factor in time, you cannot save money reloading Match quality ammo unless you would consider working for less than a $1 per hour. If so PM me and I have some work for you. The other advantages listed above make reloading a worthwhile endevour.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 03psd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you factor in time, you cannot save money reloading Match quality ammo unless you would consider working for less than a $1 per hour. If so PM me and I have some work for you. The other advantages listed above make reloading a worthwhile endevour. </div></div>

Yeah, if you consider your time you are probably not going to use the financial advantage arguement to talk yourself into reloading. But, you will be able to make better ammo than you can buy.

I enjoy the reloading almost as much as the shooting, what little I've done of it. I imagine I will enjoy it better once I get all set up with a proper bench and reloading area.
 
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Reloading may save you money if you don't factor in your time. The big plus is the variety of ammo you can try. Reloading is a hobby in itself.

I would recommend a Redding T-7 turret press - $250
A powder scale RCBS or Redding - $60
A RCBS powder measure - $75
An RCBS case trimmer - $90
RCBS die set - $30
The total with other odds & ends would amount to $600
 
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When I see the results I want from ammo that I reload, I consider the time I spent developing that load to be time well spent. I don't pay myself to mow my own yard or change my own oil, but I still do it.
 
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We don't get paid for every moment of our time.

It is difficult to quantify all the reasons why reloading is a good idea. Sometimes it simply isn't worthwhile. Until the recent ammo shortage, I stopped reloading 9mm as it was so friggin cheap to buy new. I never stopped saving brass though and now have several thousand 9mm cases, waiting for a purpose in life!

Sometimes, the savings angle is overplayed, especially when you find you keep upgrading your equipment or component purchases and your wife rolls her eyes everytime you tell her how much money you're saving!

On the other hand, how does one put a price tag on taking satisfaction from one's own craftsmanship? Or when Mrs.Q and the girls are watching "America's next top model", or "So you think you can dance" or "Screaming Banshee Milfs of Broward County" and your only choices are a frosty mug of DRAINO or the placid reloading bench where handcrafted, high quality ammo is made.

You don't find that kind of escape on some retailer's shelf Mon Frer!
 
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You're going to have to cost out on your own, I haven't done much purchasing of equipment in recent years.

I like a progressive press, favor Dillon, and feel the RL550B is the best combination of efficiency and flexibility. With it, I can do just about anything most folks think only a single stage press is precise enough to do.

For dies, RCBS standard 2-die sets have been completely adequate, but Redding will do nicely if you insist on higher quality, etc. I use an RCBS electronic scale.

For the above, my gear has been mostly in service for at least 15 years, with no significant complaints. My experience attributes both firms with outstanding Customer Service and warrantee reputations.

I reload because my early investment in flush times has evolved to be the only way I can continue to afford to shoot in tight times like these. I reserve my C/F ammo and rifles for seruous applications, like matches and hunting; and supplement this usage by doing my training with .22LR resources. I think it's a better use of resources, every bit as effective, is a key means to improved accuracy, and more agreeable as well. So for me, the best time to reload is now, and always.

Greg
 
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Thanks for the info Greg... What other brand of presses could I check into? I only see myself ever reloading my .308 or a comparable caliber. I don't shoot pistol enough to reload. So, with that being said, what type / brand/ model should I be looking at? Again, I would like to buy top shelf stuff... That's just how I like to do business.

Thanks again for all your informative posts and help,
Chris
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We don't get paid for every moment of our time.

It is difficult to quantify all the reasons why reloading is a good idea. Sometimes it simply isn't worthwhile. Until the recent ammo shortage, I stopped reloading 9mm as it was so friggin cheap to buy new. I never stopped saving brass though and now have several thousand 9mm cases, waiting for a purpose in life!

Sometimes, the savings angle is overplayed, especially when you find you keep upgrading your equipment or component purchases and your wife rolls her eyes everytime you tell her how much money you're saving!

On the other hand, how does one put a price tag on taking satisfaction from one's own craftsmanship? Or when Mrs.Q and the girls are watching "America's next top model", or "So you think you can dance" or "Screaming Banshee Milfs of Broward County" and your only choices are a frosty mug of DRAINO or the placid reloading bench where handcrafted, high quality ammo is made.

You don't find that kind of escape on some retailer's shelf Mon Frer! </div></div>

LOL.. Very good point!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308sako</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no point in shooting any precision rifle with factory ammo. </div></div>

Please have the OP write this on his refrigerator 500 times in marker pen... </div></div>

I'd even take it a step further.

Bring me a pile of mixed brass, a few match bullets and a set of Lee dies for a caliber I've never loaded before.

I guarantee you that with nothing more than the distance to the lands, I can make ammunition that will exceed the performance of FGMM even in a caliber I've never loaded before, and for a rifle that I have never fired.

Factory "match" ammo is nothing but factory ammo with better bullets, loaded to SAAMI specs (who the hell is really loading 2.800" .308 ammo for a factory chamber?).

OP, you have no clue what you're missing. I don't reload for rifles so I can shoot more and save money. Hunters might kill a lot of deer at 50 yards with their .300 win mag, but you can bet that the people getting hits on steel at 1 mile and beyond with the same caliber aren't doing it with factory ammo.

It is shocking that nothing more than loading a consistent powder charge in a case with relatively cheap equipment results in better ammo than any factory makes, but it's the truth. Feel free to test it for yourself.

We quabble about turning 1 MOA ammo into 1/4 MOA ammo here, but the reality is that even with haphazard reloading processes, any of us can still make better ammo than the factory.

Without a reloading press and a set of dies, even the fanciest precision rifle is a waste of time and money.
 
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You guys sold me!!! I'm gonna get on with reloading. Can someone please point me in the right direction as far as manuals /guides?

Thanks
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: .308Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys sold me!!! I'm gonna get on with reloading. Can someone please point me in the right direction as far as manuals /guides?

Thanks </div></div>

Just use the search function.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<...>loading a consistent powder charge in a case with relatively cheap equipment results in better ammo than any factory makes<...></div></div>

It's not exactly clear what you're getting at with that statement.

Firstly, as is generally agreed, systematically varying powder load and other components, then examining the effects allows you to experimentally see what load works best for any particular rifle. Then at the end of it you settle on one 'best' charge for that rifle and set of conditions. It's assumed you then continue to use that load for it's relevant set of conditions.

It's the ability to keep control of your charge volume and propellant type and vary it as needed, which is one of the biggest advantages to hand loading. Artillery is often 'ranged' not only by barrel elevation but also by using a larger or smaller adjusted charge volume on every shot.

Secondly, I would assume that the manufactures of 'match grade' ammo are aware enough of the effects of powder chemistry and volume variation that they would tend to use consistent charges across a particular batch. Is that a wrong assumption? Are you stating that commercial match grade ammo is inconsistent from one round to the next, or that you would never know what it's POI is for one reason or another, or what?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BallCoeff.606</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<...>loading a consistent powder charge in a case with relatively cheap equipment results in better ammo than any factory makes<...></div></div>

It's not exactly clear what you're getting at with that statement.

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Secondly, I would assume that the manufactures of 'match grade' ammo are aware enough of the effects of powder chemistry and volume variation that they would tend to use consistent charges across a particular batch. Is that a wrong assumption? Are you stating that commercial match grade ammo is inconsistent from one round to the next, or that you would never know what it's POI is for one reason or another, or what?

</div></div>

FGMM, Lapua, Hornady, & Corbon got it all wrong...
 
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I think the Hornady LNL is an OK press, and if I needed a single stage press for a dedicated operation, it'd probably be an RCBS Rock Chucker.

I can understand folks wanting to invest in superior equipment, but for my own money, the keyword is "adequate'.

Lapua is great brass, but Winchester serves my needs admirably.

I like CCI BR-2 and BR-4 primers, but I only use them after completing load development with CCI 400 and 200 primers, and only if substituting the BR's shows a marked accuracy improvement. If I did my development job right, they shouldn't.

Never tried Bergers and probably will, but SMK, SST, V-Max, and A-Max bullets have done well enough to know the fruits of my skills are improved through their use.

Tried many powders, but I keep coming back to Hodgdon. Nobody makes the ultimate, unswervingly consistent powder. Hodgdon does pretty well at trying.

Beyond that, I like Savage rifles, L-W barrels, McMillan stocks, and Tasco optics. I am an authority on <span style="font-style: italic">NOTHING</span>, but I have strong preferences based on honest experience.

.260, .30-'06, .44 Mag, and 20ga. A guy's gotta settle down eventually, and stick with what works.

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BallCoeff.606</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Secondly, I would assume that the manufactures of 'match grade' ammo are aware enough of the effects of powder chemistry and volume variation that they would tend to use consistent charges across a particular batch. Is that a wrong assumption? Are you stating that commercial match grade ammo is inconsistent from one round to the next, or that you would never know what it's POI is for one reason or another, or what?</div></div>

It's a $$ vs. return thing.

No matter how you look at it, commercial "match" ammo comes from a factory. They're not paying someone to weigh every charge before the bullet is seated. They are not inspecting every piece of brass.

I make my ammo by hand. Every round is as consistent as my equipment will allow. There's little question that if they had this level of dedication, commercial manufacturers would make better ammo than I could ever make (although it would not be fitted to my rifle like my ammo is).

If they did this, we'd be paying $5-6 per round of .308 for this type of service. They'd be unable to deliver such quality much cheaper than that.

I can get that same quality for 50 cents a round or so. My ammo is better because, if for no other reason, I'm able to make more consistent ammo.

Load development is another story and yes, there are gains to be had there, but the first step is reducing the variance. The last time I chronoed my .308 loads, the standard deviation was a single digit number. How many factory loads are capable of that level of consistency?

I've never observed that level of performance from any factory load. Perhaps I'm measuring the wrong samples, but for me, load development is a two step process--reducing variation and maximizing velocity, and then hunting for accuracy.

No factory can do that for me, and even if all I did was the former (make safe, consistent ammo), I'd still be dollars ahead. Nevermind the fact that my ammo is cheaper still.

So, even if all I did was put the same amount of powder in every case and worked up a load with minimal variance, I'd be ahead of anything that I can buy at any price. That's before I even mess with seating depth and build a load that is precisely what I want.

Shooting factory ammo in anything you expect accuracy from is a waste of time in my opinion. The only way I'd ever do it is if I was trying to maximize the accuracy of a rimfire cartridge, and even then, I'd view the ammo as the biggest challenge for finding accuracy.

The fact of the matter is that we're not reinventing the wheel here. Pick a bullet that fits your twist rate, pick one of a half dozen or more powders that will give you the velocity you want, work up a load and then fit it to the rifle. Chances are, you'll find that it's more accurate than anything on any shelf anywhere...simply because your quality control is much better when you're not paying yourself anything and your time, within reason, is free.
 
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Read all the post here, and concur. The basic saving for me is 40%. Granted, I have owned my reloading equipment for many years, but it has paid for itself, over and over. For what you spend in ammo, please!

Here's a consideration also. I believe that you will load more accurate ammo than you can buy. I think that was mentioned before. I bought Blk Hills .223 and shot it for years. I saved the LC brass. When prices went up, I bought dies, powder, and tips. Loaded the LC brass I saved from Blk. Hills, and the first time out, my loads shot consistently tighter than the remanufactured, Blk. Hills, and for less money too.

My shooting bud, who is new to all of it, suggested a reloading party. Now he knows s**t about the work of cleaning, timming, weighing, etc., but if he brings powder, tips, and enthusiasm, I will save him money and shoot for free.

Did have to tell him, the beer doesn't get started until the reloading stops. There's an attention to detail that goes with it, as a matter of common sense and safty, some newbies don't get that.

Be safe, have fun, shoot more, and for less. Even a good woman can't give you all that.
 
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No one is telling this guy about the attention to detail loading takes. Complicated, just a bit, with a progressive press. My Dillon isn't as mindless as the Lee 1000 I load pistol on. Start single, get a feel for it, then, by all means, Go Progressive!

IMHO!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gnfiter3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one is telling this guy about the attention to detail loading takes. Complicated, just a bit, with a progressive press. My Dillon isn't as mindless as the Lee 1000 I load pistol on. Start single, get a feel for it, then, by all means, Go Progressive!

IMHO! </div></div>

Because that is way overblown. If you can drive a car, you can reload ammo. It's nowhere near as hard as people will scare you into thinking before you ever pull the handle.
 
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Or just commit to loading single stage operation on the Dillon until one's head is screwed on right!

I use Federal GMM 168 as my control. If my rifle shoots my loads squirrely, I'll put a couple rounds of GMM in the magazine. It they are screwy too, I'll know the barrel needs cleaning or something is loose or broken.

My handloads are the majority of what I shoot, but I see good things in factory match ammo these days.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It's a $$ vs. return thing.

No matter how you look at it, commercial "match" ammo comes from a factory. They're not paying someone to weigh every charge before the bullet is seated. They are not inspecting every piece of brass.<...></div></div>

Fair enough. There's lots of places in manufacturing where process designers cut corners or cheapen things down because it's "good enough" for the majority of the market, and because they're there to make money. I'd be the first to admit I could make far better furniture by hand, or a much better new small house out of new or unusual materials, than anything I could find on the typical market at any reasonable price.

On the other hand, there's economies of scale and logistics, and technologies available only to large-scale operations, that far exceed the quality what you could accomplish yourself by hand. For example, I wouldn't try to make a bullet by hand to the same specs as a SMK, or a reliable primer at the cost you can buy a box for, or even a Lapua-chambered casing and expect it to be anywhere near as good as market-bought stuff. No one person could design anything as complex as a modern computer chip either in a single lifetime using typical electronic parts, let alone find enough solder and wire in the world to build it. You can also have many tons of stuff commercially airfreighted to the other side of the planet in a day for an affordable price - but not be able to carry it there yourself by cart and boat in a whole lifetime.

Same reason for having large armed forces. I would guess it would be far cheaper in lives and dollars to launch a 6-hour assault against some small group somewhere using all disciplined branches and technologies of the military, rather than have a platoon of foot soldiers with Garands chipping away at them for 10 years.

So, as far as consistency in muzzle velocity is concerned, you can't really say which of those two extremes applies to measuring powder and seating bullets. Unless you worked in one of those ammo companies and knew what was involved. The final answer would probably have to come from chronographing a representative sample of factory cartridges and comparing that standard deviation to what a good hand-loader typically gets.

Personally I hardly buy factory ammo of any kind, and just have tested a few rounds of the most typical kinds for ballpark comparisons to my own reloads.

I'd be real interested in seeing what velocities and standard deviations exist in commercial factory ammo, of various grades.
 
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I got into reloading because I was doing so much pistol shooting after work on the weekends, that it was too expensive to keep buying factory stuff. My Dept. would only give me a box of .308 Hornady TAP ammo once every 2 or 3 months for practice with the precision rifle....so I figured I would supplement my shooting practice with handloads.

I called Hornady & spoke to a Rep. who gave me their recipe for replicating their TAP ammo.....even when I used Hornady TAP brass, WLR primers & the same powder & powder charge as them, my reloads were more consistant & more accurate then theirs.

However, I will say that their factory ammo is still pretty damn sweet. I recently took my new rifle out to 700 yards & shot a 3.5" group with factory Hornady 168 gr. TAP........kind of surprised me alot.....then again, maybe it was a total fluke!
 
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Don't feel bad MGD. I have been wasting my time shooting and winning matches with factory Hornady ammo for the past year.
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I don't mean to imply that reloading is "Rocket Science" or to be afraid to do. I am suggesting that a newbie would benefit from a single stage operation until up to speed. Quee has the right idea, which I did not think to recommend.Fact is, single stage loading gives you one operation to watch at a time.

mgd45 and I share the cost experience story; 357, 9mm, 38 spec., .40 cal, 41 & 44 mag., .45 LC, .45 acp. and then 30-30 for a TC. That was just handgun. There's a true benefit to loading. Not the least is cost savings. Even though my days of loading .45 acp for $65 a thousand are gone. Pros and cons have been eloquently expressed by this august body.

Recall the thread, Does anyone here, not reload? If you shoot a couple of calibers, or just one, on a regular basis, the paying's in the saving. The originator didn't seem to be concerned with the cost, but with the time. Again, it's a money saving hobby, that supports a hobby that doesn't save you money, but will cost you time. (Smiling Happily)RCBS RC, RC. Jr. Lee 1000's, and at last, Dillon RL550.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gnfiter3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one is telling this guy about the attention to detail loading takes. Complicated, just a bit, with a progressive press. My Dillon isn't as mindless as the Lee 1000 I load pistol on. Start single, get a feel for it, then, by all means, Go Progressive!

IMHO! </div></div>

Because that is way overblown. If you can drive a car, you can reload ammo. It's nowhere near as hard as people will scare you into thinking before you ever pull the handle. </div></div>

The largest % of drivers having accidents are the new ones. The next are the old ones, who still think they have it, and know it, all.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gnfiter3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gnfiter3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one is telling this guy about the attention to detail loading takes. Complicated, just a bit, with a progressive press. My Dillon isn't as mindless as the Lee 1000 I load pistol on. Start single, get a feel for it, then, by all means, Go Progressive!

IMHO! </div></div>

Because that is way overblown. If you can drive a car, you can reload ammo. It's nowhere near as hard as people will scare you into thinking before you ever pull the handle. </div></div>

The largest % of drivers having accidents are the new ones. The next are the old ones, who still think they have it, and know it, all. </div></div>

I'm not saying not to drive conscientiously. I'm saying not to fear getting in the car, because the majority are able to travel quite effectively by car without dying.
 
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Downzero:
We're on the same side of this. Just expressing it from a small,but slightly, differnt point of view. That's why I have two singles, and two progressives. Pistols on The Lee, rifles on the Dillon.

The Rockchucker is now used to take 30-06 down to 25-06, or when I don't want to change the Dillon from small to large primers, in load development. The Jr. is taken to the range clamped to a workmate, for tuning loads that don't do what I expect, before mass producing them by the hundreds on the D-550. I'm very much into the reloading game. I have no-excuse rifles, and I work at having no-excuse ammo to feed them. Now I need to get some no-excuse marksmanship skills.(smiling)

I started loading with a Lee that came in a box in 1972, as I could not afford to buy .38 spec. as a student. I casted wheel weights for bullets on the stove in my aptment. Graduated to the Rock Jr. still loading pistol and one .308; then the Rockchucker, when I started rifle loading for 22-250, .308. The Lee 1000 came with way to many pistol calibers for a single stage. The Dillon came with to many .223 rounds fired to want to do them on a single. Of course I had to have Dillon dies on the Dillon Press, so I have two sets of darn near all of them. The bottom line is, reloading is a hobby, along with shooting; I enjoy. I encourage anyone who shoots regularly to reload, and they ask the same thing as the originator of this thread; "What's the cost, and what is the benefit?' That's when what is, becomes, what are, the benefits. I think it was well covered here; even with the difference of single vs progressive press for the FNG.

We all know if he shoots in competition, he'll benefit from rolling his own. It doesn't matter what he rolls them on.
 
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I just don't want people, due to safety issues, to be scared away from handloading. I was for years. Since I started handloading (about 4-5 years ago), my enjoyment from shooting has increased substantially. I wish I hadn't hesitated.
 
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Funny, .308shooter decided to get started and we went on about why he should, and how he should. The fact is, he may soon be joining us, as he should.

Bottom line, there may be another loader among us.

Love this site.
 
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It seems we've neglected his second question. The answer to your $$$ question is that you can get a good reloading setup for less than your monthly ammo bill is now.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't feel bad MGD. I have been wasting my time shooting and winning matches with factory Hornady ammo for the past year.
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ROFL!! I hear ya!! Everytime, I pick up a rifle magazine where they are testing the accuracy of some new custom precision rifle, they always run about 4 different brands of factory ammo through it. I swear in the past few months everytime I've read one of these articles, the Hornady TAP ammo has either been 1st or 2nd in regards to the most accurate ammo.....

I have a Hornady LNL progressive press for my pistol reloading, since I like to knock out a few hundred rounds at once. But I do all of my rifle reloading on a Lyman single stage press....it takes longer.....but I like to trickle the powder charges by hand before seating the bullet...it makes me feel warm & fuzzy inside to know that each case has the exact same powder charge...
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Chris,

Glen and I can get you on the right path for reloading.

It only takes a day to learn how.

We can cover this topic this weekend.

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Maybe I missed some information: what distances are you shooting and for what purpose? I reload my competition rounds because it's better than I can buy and I feel better about it. If you are shooting at 100 yards, you will not fully appreciate what a tailored load you can achieve rolling your own. Last weekend I went to a local 100 yard to sight-in a new scope and base. The Federal 150g and the Remington are both factory 10-shot groups. The Norma was some old plastic tipped ammo that was junk. I threw some 168 SMK together using LC LR and FGMM brass just to compare with factory.
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