Suppressors ATEC suppressor (over the barrel)

[ziggy88]

Do any U.S. suppressor manufacturers make a suppressor that threads back over the barrel to reduce OAL ? Why have these not caught on in the states ? Forgive me for not knowing the correct terminology for this type of suppressor. The Atec suppressor made in Norway seems very comparable in terms of noise reduction, according to the website. It would definately make for a more portable rifle in the field. Here is an example of the suppressor;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cdyfwnv6oA

Skip ahead to 1:25 on the video.

 

[Heronion]

It's because your barrel has to be turned down in diameter before the threads. This is an extra expense that most people don't care for and also "ruins" the look of the rifle when the can is not attached. Plus, most users of precision rifle cans shoot from a stable position and the extra mobility offered by a shorter OAL is not really needed.

 

[bengineer]

Take a look at the SD models of the Bravo and Sierra from Elite Iron. These do a thing like this, but with an accessory mount. I have used the Sierra on a TRG42 in 338. Worked well: quiet and no accuracy degration. Recoil reduction was good, too. And no special barrel work was necessary.

 

[ziggy88]

Take a look at the SD models of the Bravo and Sierra from Elite Iron. These do a thing like this, but with an accessory mount. I have used the Sierra on a TRG42 in 338. Worked well: quiet and no accuracy degration. Recoil reduction was good, too. And no special barrel work was necessary.

Thanks bengineer, I will take a look at their website.

 

[WileyG]

What you describe is a reflex suppressor. Ops Inc has been building reflex suppressors for decades. I have their 3rd Model .30cal and wouldn't go with any other model for any reason.......

OPS INC.

 

[Tuukka]

It's because your barrel has to be turned down in diameter before the threads. This is an extra expense that most people don't care for and also "ruins" the look of the rifle when the can is not attached. Plus, most users of precision rifle cans shoot from a stable position and the extra mobility offered by a shorter OAL is not really needed.

No, your barrel does not need to be turned down usually with the back over the barrel / Reflex type suppressors.

How the Ops Inc suppressors mount is a different story as they are a true two-point mounting suppressor, whereas most of the other designs here in Europe are a one-piece mount, ie. taking the aligment from the barrel shoulder behind the thread usually.

In my opinion the the back over the barrel / Reflex suppressors do not serve a use as well as modern high quality front mounting suppressors.

For both optimum sound and flash suppression, the baffles situation in front of the muzzle achieve more performace than the expansion tube / chamber rearwards.

So in essence a lot of that back over the barrel length and weight is wasted space.

Best Regards!

Tuukka Jokinen
Ase Utra sound suppressors

 

[RonA]

And so the marketing begins.

 

[RollingThunder51]

That is not marketing, Tuuka is spot on.
There was once a time where other principle suppressor manufacturers worked with reflex suppressors designs much more.
The vast majority of them abandoned them and for very good reasons. Few left making them now and for those that still do, they are not their big sellers.
I can only think of potentially three reasons why one would want to take on all the downside issues of a reflex suppressor and most of those reasons are beyond the requirements of 99% of users (hint #1, they can thread a suppressor on).
Hint #2, the mirage issues you see in the very video that the OP posted is no small part of the problem.

 

[Zak Smith]

I would just post to agree with this statement,

For both optimum sound and flash suppression, the baffles situation in front of the muzzle achieve more performace than the expansion tube / chamber rearwards.

 

[RonA]

I would just post to agree with this statement,

I agree with this also. Easily proven with a meter as well.

 

[Heronion]

No, your barrel does not need to be turned down usually with the back over the barrel / Reflex type suppressors.

How the Ops Inc suppressors mount is a different story as they are a true two-point mounting suppressor, whereas most of the other designs here in Europe are a one-piece mount, ie. taking the aligment from the barrel shoulder behind the thread usually.

In my opinion the the back over the barrel / Reflex suppressors do not serve a use as well as modern high quality front mounting suppressors.

For both optimum sound and flash suppression, the baffles situation in front of the muzzle achieve more performace than the expansion tube / chamber rearwards.

So in essence a lot of that back over the barrel length and weight is wasted space.

Best Regards!

Tuukka Jokinen
Ase Utra sound suppressors

According to the website, there are specific suppressors that can handle specific diameter barrels. The "heavy barrel" model cannot work with most bull barrels. I would see this as a negative given the preference in the US for very large diameter barrels near the muzzle for long range builds. And you are also completely right on your other points.

 

[Tuukka]

And so the marketing begins.

If you are Ron Allen, I hope that you did not take my post as a negative remark against your products.

I was more refering to the back over the barrel suppressors in general, based on our experiences here in the past 20 years.


Heronion, which website are you refering to?

Our reflex models, the NorthStar suppressors are capable for example of accepting barrels up to 24.2 mm in diameter.

The reason why we have a reflex model is that it was originally intended to compete against the BR Reflex suppressors in the UK ( we actually manufacture the BR Reflex suppressors to BR Tuote Oy )

The market there wanted that type of product, even though we already had smaller and more effective products.

So the customers wanted something that wasnt necessarily the best overall product, but to compete we had to make one.

Best Regards!

Tuukka Jokinen
Ase Utra sound suppressors