ATF Releases Latest Suppressor Figures

[Longshot231]

It's an interesting read. It's also another reason why these things shouldn't be regulated.

ATF Releases Latest Suppressor Figures

On Thursday, September 9th, President Biden announced the nomination withdrawal of David Chipman to become the Director of ATF.

americansuppressorassociation.com

 

[thesemperfidude]

Agreed. They never should have been regulated in the 1st place.

 

[E. Bryant]

The federal government: All your loud cars need to be quieter. Also your motorcycles, and factories, and appliances.

Also the federal government: We will send you to jail for 10 years if you try to make your guns quieter without our permission.

Yeah, silencers should be unregulated.

This was interesting:

"A 10% increase in SOT manufacturers in 2020 (6,310, up from 5,716 in 2019)"

That's a lot of 07/02 licensees - roughly 40% of all Type 07 and 8% of non-C&R FFLs.

 

[AllenOne1]

Amazing growth in suppressor ownership but yet no real increase in crime involving a suppressor.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Amazing growth in suppressor ownership but yet no real increase in crime involving a suppressor.
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The thing is though, if they weren’t regulated they would be used a lot more in crimes and a lot of criminals would have them. I own many suppressors and I’m not for or against them being regulated, but I do understand that with the strict regulations around them that people store them correctly for the most part and there aren’t that many out there so they don’t get stolen as much as normal firearms, felon homeboy from the hood can’t have his GF go buy one over the counter, or homebody can’t go buy one in a FTF. People are careful with them and I do see that as a good thing.

What I think is fucked up is that even with the extra paperwork, fingerprints, FBI BG check, etc PLUS paying a $200 tax why in the fuck does it take a year to get a form 4 approved? Form 1 e files can go through in a couple weeks so they can obviously process the fingerprints and BG checks quickly. The paper forms are usually in their system within a month or two of sending them in, the same system the e files go into so they’re obviously dragging it out. That’s what’s fucked up about NFA IMO.

Also you can’t buy new machine guns and register them, but if you have enough money you can buy one already in the registry and that’s ok. How does that make any sense? So you can get one still, but it just costs $20-$40K for something decent. Fucking dumb. These days most people even if they don’t have disposable income like that could still get a personal loan if they needed to buy such a thing so how does that reduce crime or anything?

 

[Longshot231]

The thing is though, if they weren’t regulated they would be used a lot more in crimes and a lot of criminals would have them. I own many suppressors and I’m not for or against them being regulated, but I do understand that with the strict regulations around them that people store them correctly for the most part and there aren’t that many out there so they don’t get stolen as much as normal firearms, felon homeboy from the hood can’t have his GF go buy one over the counter, or homebody can’t go buy one in a FTF. People are careful with them and I do see that as a good thing.

Right on! Let's keep suppressors regulated like they do firearms in places like California, Illinois, Massachusetts and New York. Strict regulation of firearms has really kept crime low in those places.

 

[SupressYourself]

The thing is though, if they weren’t regulated they would be used a lot more in crimes and a lot of criminals would have them.

Are you for fuckin real? That's quite the liberal talking point for a "redneck" from "merica".
While from a purely statistical standpoint, odds say that might have a shred of validity, so what?
Suppressors don't make a firearm any more deadly, and they don't make a criminal any more criminally. Plus, they make handguns much harder to conceal, so where's the benefit for "homeboy"? Do you think "homeboy" could shoot up the 'hood without anyone knowing because they make a gun "silent"? If so, I would question whether or not you even own one.
I'm afraid people like you are holding back full suppressor legalization just as much as the antis.

 

[79steeler]

Just make it a regular 4473 instant check. You passed sir here is your suppressor, pay at the register. A suppressor cant harm anyone or anything without a firearm so what the fuck! Seriously sell them out of a vending machine that you put your ID and credit card in.

 

[MadDuner]

Suppressors will be used more in crimes as they increase in numbers and there are more available to be stolen by the criminals that commit crimes. It will still be no reflection on the suppressed community.

 

[candyx]

Unfortunately I live in a communist state so I keep a few Idaho Potatoes in the fridge for when I need to suppress a shot. I have a 5.56,7.62 and .338 potato to fit each barrel, after there shot out we eat them.

 

[JMGlasgow]

Background checks are an infringement, and having one for a firearm accessory is fucking ridiculous.

Where is the proof that they will be used more in crimes? Is it more common to see them used in a crime in countries where they are an over the counter item and sold for very little money and considered disposable?

 

[powdahound76]

Just make it a regular 4473 instant check. You passed sir here is your suppressor, pay at the register. A suppressor cant harm anyone or anything without a firearm so what the fuck! Seriously sell them out of a vending machine that you put your ID and credit card in.

Or make them an item like an AR grip or, gasp, hearing protection…..

“shall not be infringed” is pretty unclear. We best get a liberal attorney to interpret that phrase.

 

[candyx]

When they write gun control laws the people who signed the bill should be used to check if the laws actually prevents the actions of the law enacted.

 

[Holliday]

The “I’ll gladly pay the $200 tax if they would just do it quicker” folks will be along any minute….

 

[Holliday]

The thing is though, if they weren’t regulated they would be used a lot more in crimes and a lot of criminals would have them. I own many suppressors and I’m not for or against them being regulated,

As I always say. Gun owners are fucking stupid!!!!

 

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The thing is though, if they weren’t regulated they would be used a lot more in crimes and a lot of criminals would have them.

if guns were regulated, they would be used in a lot less crimes, and criminals wouldnt be able to get them.

i mean, places like LA, NYC, Chicago, Detroit all have strong gun laws and virtually 0 gun crime!

...oh...oh wait.

Criminals find a way to do pretty much anything....and its not like suppressors are all that hard to make.....if they want them, they can get them.

by and large, criminals want cheap, concealable guns....they want something they can pocket and ditch if need be.......having a slightly quieter gun doesnt really mean anything to them.


"shall not be infringed" used to mean something

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Appears I struck a nerve

You’re entitled to your opinions just as I’m entitled to mine and that doesn’t make either of us wrong.

But yes it is factual however that if suppressors were less regulated they would be easier to get, less cared for as far as storage goes, therefor easier for criminals to get their hands on whether through theft or purchase. If you can’t see that then you’re fucking stupid.

If pistols were NFA items since the 30’s as well, do you think there would be as many in the hands of criminals? No. Do I think pistols should be NFA? Also no.

I’m not really for or against NFA regulation of them (something that all of you retards missed), I couldn’t care less beyond how much longer the process takes than it could or should. I’m not poor so I can afford the $200 stamp, and I’m smart enough to realize that posting pics online like many of us do big brother knows what we have so that’s pretty moot. I’m also smart enough to see that yes the NFA regulations does keep this stuff out of the hands of bad guys much more so than firearms which are unregulated. Do I think that’s right? I don’t know, but I do know how society is and what shitty people there are in the world.

I find it kind of funny how you all quoted and focused on that one first sentence of my post though because that’s the only part that any of you have some smooth brained argument about. Your heads must have just completely exploded when you read it.

 

[JMGlasgow]

Right or wrong (he doesn't care) then proceeds to call us stupid for disagreeing with his not factual statement.

Go fuck yourself Elmer Fudd.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Right or wrong (he doesn't care) then proceeds to call us stupid for disagreeing with his not factual statement.

Go fuck yourself Elmer Fudd.

Because when everyone focuses on that part and attacks me like I’m an anti gun commie, that does make you stupid. In both of my posts I stated that I’m not for or against it but I doubt anyone even made it that far because full retard had already engaged after reading the first sentence THAT EVERY QUOTE FOCUSED ON.

When you can’t respect someone having a difference of opinion than yours, then you’re no different that the “tolerant left”. Let that sink in for a moment.

 

[_Windrider_]

The ability to make your own silencers these days at home is an obvious sign that criminals wouldn't widely use them. they do make guns difficult to conceal for one. the real problem with silencer regulations are too long to list. But everyone believing they make a gun Hollywood quiet is just one of the biggest ones. the other is the background check. A simple 4473 and go is all that is needed (but not really). you want to keep them under the NFA and collect your 200 whatever, just fucking stop making me wait 9 months. its ridiculous. Especially if you carry a badge or are subject to frequent and ongoing FBI and DHS background investigations.

Same with SBR's and everything else.

Actually, fuck the NFA.

 

[JMGlasgow]

You still haven't shown me PROOF where criminals will use them more often if unregulated? I gave you an example of suppressors in common use in other countries, yet no proof of higher use to commit crimes.

You also keep saying it's your "opinion" yet then said it's a fact. Where is it a fact?

 

[AllenOne1]

Because when everyone focuses on that part and attacks me like I’m an anti gun commie, that does make you stupid. In both of my posts I stated that I’m not for or against it but I doubt anyone even made it that far because full retard had already engaged after reading the first sentence THAT EVERY QUOTE FOCUSED ON.

When you can’t respect someone having a difference of opinion than yours, then you’re no different that the “tolerant left”. Let that sink in for a moment.

Ok I let that sink in. So you are an anti gun commie trying to convince yourself that you are a gun guy when you are not. The fact that you might own a gun does not make you a gun supporter. When you support full regulation of an item you are not supporting freedom.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

You still haven't shown me PROOF where criminals will use them more often if unregulated? I gave you an example of suppressors in common use in other countries, yet no proof of higher use to commit crimes.

You also keep saying it's your "opinion" yet then said it's a fact. Where is it a fact?

You didn’t give an example, but you mentioned it. I’m also aware that those countries they’re over the counter have extremely strict firearm laws and you can’t even buy a semi auto or a pistol. I know UK is that way, I believe NZ is as well.

I think the FACT that there’s a lot of pistols and rifles out there because of ease of purchase, and the FACT there’s a lot of them in criminals hands because of how common they are should be enough to lead anyone with any level of common sense to see that there would be a lot of suppressors in criminals hands as well if they weren’t regulated. Because of that regulation a lot less people buy them, people are very careful about selling because it’s hard and the same process, and are also more responsible about storage since they’re so regulated. Those are all facts too.

That’s the point I was making and yes it is true, but because I didn’t just agree with everyone and say “yeah abolish the NFA” I must be some sort of commie traitor. Again I’ll remind you that not a single fucking person acknowledged or quoted the second sentence of my first reply that stated that I’m not for or against it, because everyone had a meltdown at the very first sentence when our views didn’t 100% align.

 

[Dogtown]

NZ indeed - no need for permission. I used to build them in my garage.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Ok I let that sink in. So you are an anti gun commie trying to convince yourself that you are a gun guy when you are not. The fact that you might own a gun does not make you a gun supporter. When you support full regulation of an item you are not supporting freedom.

Guess you missed the part in both reply’s stating that I’m not for or against it

Reading comprehension > you.

You can be pro gun but also understand that we live in a fucked up society that’s only getting worse, where it would be a good idea for things to change back to where they once were to have a more responsible class of people before we tore down things like NFA regulations. Unfortunately we have a government becoming more corrupt and overruling that are doing things to make people less and less responsible so that they NEED to be governed and even feel that they need to be governed. This issue goes far beyond guns and NFA registration, but that’s what the small brains focus on, the little things.

How do we fix our fucking society and not just cling on to what’s still left of it? Abolishing the NFA or taking suppressors out the the registry isn’t going to change a damn thing except make suppressors look bad and evil when people start using them in crimes because of availability then.

 

[Holliday]

Appears I struck a nerve

You’re entitled to your opinions just as I’m entitled to mine and that doesn’t make either of us wrong.

No that was not an “opinion” . What I stated was FACT. Did you forget what forum you are on? The fact that you say you “own many suppressors” is insult to injury.

YOU of all people should know that suppressors are rarely used in crime.

YOU of all people should know how easy it is to make a homemade suppressor. Or a field expedient one for that matter

YOU of all people should know that only law abiding people follow the law NOT criminals.

YOU of all people should know that that with the exponential growth of suppressor ownership, if what you stated were true, crimes with NFA items would be going through the roof already.

The fact is, there is absolutely nothing to support that erroneous claim of yours and plenty of data to debunk it on its face.

The problem is that you’re not some anomaly. I hear this all the time from gun-owners. They don’t even take the time to gain knowledge on the subject or do cursory research but then come out against taking them out of the NFA altogether. It is freaking astounding.

No you’re no surprise. You are the proverbial enemy within that I am always talking about. Why do you think the hearing protection act was allowed to slide off the table? Because gun owners are not cohesive as a group. And there are too many people like you spewing leftist talking points without knowing what you’re talking about. Bloomberg and Mom’s Demand counts on gun owners like you. They would not exist in the form they do without gun owners like YOU.

The fact that you feel comfortable coming here on Sniper’s Hide to do it, is very telling indeed.

 

[_Windrider_]

You didn’t give an example, but you mentioned it. I’m also aware that those countries they’re over the counter have extremely strict firearm laws and you can’t even buy a semi auto or a pistol. I know UK is that way, I believe NZ is as well.

I think the FACT that there’s a lot of pistols and rifles out there because of ease of purchase, and the FACT there’s a lot of them in criminals hands because of how common they are should be enough to lead anyone with any level of common sense to see that there would be a lot of suppressors in criminals hands as well if they weren’t regulated. Because of that regulation a lot less people buy them, people are very careful about selling because it’s hard and the same process, and are also more responsible about storage since they’re so regulated. Those are all facts too.

That’s the point I was making and yes it is true, but because I didn’t just agree with everyone and say “yeah abolish the NFA” I must be some sort of commie traitor. Again I’ll remind you that not a single fucking person acknowledged or quoted the second sentence of my first reply that stated that I’m not for or against it, because everyone had a meltdown at the very first sentence when our views didn’t 100% align.

Without getting into a personal debate, I’ll just interject the fact with the number of ar15’s out there and the fact that I can buy a 10.3” barrel with no background check and make an SBR in about 30 minutes is evidence that your silencer argument is invalid. How many SBr’s are used? Not very many cause I guarantee they would be flaunting it if it was an issue.

 

[Holliday]

NZ indeed - no need for permission. I used to build them in my garage.

You have your own problems there right? Didn’t they just do an AWB?

 

[Holliday]

You still haven't shown me PROOF where criminals will use them more often if unregulated? I gave you an example of suppressors in common use in other countries, yet no proof of higher use to commit crimes.

You also keep saying it's your "opinion" yet then said it's a fact. Where is it a fact?

There is none and in fact there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. It’s a ludicrous assertion.

 

[Dogtown]

You have your own problems there right? Didn’t they just do an AWB?

I don't live there anymore, but yes. Up until that "white patriot" gamed the system and got an E-Cat license that most arms officers would not approve, and then killed all of those people in Christchurch, it was a lot less restrictive than USA. Suppressors are still unregulated, but no more MSSAs unfortunately. Too bad - I loved shooting with the Wellington Service Rifle Association every month.

 

[Bender]

It’s not a gun or explosive.

it’s a fuggin muffler.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

No that was not an “opinion” . What I stated was FACT. Did you forget what forum you are on? The fact that you say you “own many suppressors” is insult to injury.

YOU of all people should know that suppressors are rarely used in crime.

YOU of all people should know how easy it is to make a homemade suppressor. Or a field expedient one for that matter

YOU of all people should know that only law abiding people follow the law NOT criminals.

YOU of all people should know that that with the exponential growth of suppressor ownership, if what you stated were true, crimes with NFA items would be going through the roof already.

The fact is, there is absolutely nothing to support that erroneous claim of yours and plenty of data to debunk it on its face.

The problem is that you’re not some anomaly. I hear this all the time from gun-owners. They don’t even take the time to gain knowledge on the subject or do cursory research but then come out against taking them out of the NFA altogether. It is freaking astounding.

No you’re no surprise. You are the proverbial enemy within that I am always talking about. Why do you think the hearing protection act was allowed to slide off the table? Because gun owners are not cohesive as a group. And there are too many people like you spewing leftist talking points without knowing what you’re talking about. Bloomberg and Mom’s Demand counts on gun owners like you. They would not exist in the form they do without gun owners like YOU.

The fact that you feel comfortable coming here on Sniper’s Hide to do it, is very telling indeed.

Guess my posts were still in one ear and out the other.

I’m sure they’re really counting on me though when I don’t donate to their organizations or support them in any way, and vote conservative. Yep, I’m a gun owning conservative liberal anti gun commie

Your lack of respect for another’s views (the only right guaranteed BEFORE the second amendment I’ll remind you) makes you no different that the extreme leftists where it’s there way or no way. I simply pointed out that I’m not for or against the NFA at this point and shared some of my views and I’m accused of being a liberal. You sir are a fucking moron.

 

[AllenOne1]

You didn’t give an example, but you mentioned it. I’m also aware that those countries they’re over the counter have extremely strict firearm laws and you can’t even buy a semi auto or a pistol. I know UK is that way, I believe NZ is as well.

I think the FACT that there’s a lot of pistols and rifles out there because of ease of purchase, and the FACT there’s a lot of them in criminals hands because of how common they are should be enough to lead anyone with any level of common sense to see that there would be a lot of suppressors in criminals hands as well if they weren’t regulated. Because of that regulation a lot less people buy them, people are very careful about selling because it’s hard and the same process, and are also more responsible about storage since they’re so regulated. Those are all facts too.

That’s the point I was making and yes it is true, but because I didn’t just agree with everyone and say “yeah abolish the NFA” I must be some sort of commie traitor. Again I’ll remind you that not a single fucking person acknowledged or quoted the second sentence of my first reply that stated that I’m not for or against it, because everyone had a meltdown at the very first sentence when our views didn’t 100% align.

You mind taking the time to explain Mexico to us while you are on a roll here?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

You mind taking the time to explain Mexico to us while you are on a roll here?

I like how you chose to completely ignore my reply to you and your stupid allegations because you were completely fucking owned, but regardless, I’ll bite on this one.

I’m assuming you’re talking about guns going over the border since this is a firearm thread and regulation thread so you probably don’t want a history lesson on the fucking Mayans (which I would be happy to oblige). Yes, guns are going across the border to Mexico and being used in crimes there by the cartel. Our government even gave them some in a operation where a border patrol agent was killed with one. Where do most of those guns come from though? Guns that are stolen from gun owners or straw purchased... Guess what would also be going over the border if they were easier to buy and sell?

 

[Clayman]

I simply pointed out that I’m not for or against the NFA at this point and shared some of my views and I’m accused of being a liberal. You sir are a fucking moron.

We shouldn't have to pay or ask permission to use our rights. Someone not being against the nfa makes you not pro gun in my opinion. You are ok with our rights being restricted and being forced to ask the state permission to use a metal tube, a rifle with a barrel that is "too short", a firearm with select fire capability, etc.

People are calling you a fudd. Not a liberal. But fudds will often espouse lefty talking points.

 

[...]

Guess what would also be going over the border if they were easier to buy and sell?

yeah....thank god the cartels cant get their hands on suppressors....

EXCLUSIVE -- PHOTOS: Mexican Cartel Improves Weapons Manufacturing Capabilities

Intelligence reports indicate that one of Mexico’s most dangerous cartels continues to increase their capabilities by manufacturing weapons.

www.breitbart.com

pro tip: cartels are not buying the bulk of their weapons from the US.

 

[AllenOne1]

I like how you chose to completely ignore my reply to you and your stupid allegations because you were completely fucking owned, but regardless, I’ll bite on this one.

I’m assuming you’re talking about guns going over the border since this is a firearm thread and regulation thread so you probably don’t want a history lesson on the fucking Mayans (which I would be happy to oblige). Yes, guns are going across the border to Mexico and being used in crimes there by the cartel. Our government even gave them some in a operation where a border patrol agent was killed with one. Where do most of those guns come from though? Guns that are stolen from gun owners or straw purchased... Guess what would also be going over the border if they were easier to buy and sell?

No I'm referring to how well gun control works in the real world. When criminals want or need guns they get them and they get what they want too. Full auto, no problem. If they wanted suppressors they would have them. This is the real world not the world you are living in anti gun commie.

It is interesting that your mind goes straight to the illegal activities of the organization that you claim will keep us safe. Has it ever occurred to you that they are more of the problem than they are the solution?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

No I'm referring to how well gun control works in the real world. When criminals want or need guns they get them and they get what they want too. Full auto, no problem. If they wanted suppressors they would have them. This is the real world not the world you are living in anti gun commie.

It is interesting that your mind goes straight to the illegal activities of the organization that you claim will keep us safe. Has it ever occurred to you that they are more of the problem than they are the solution?

Well when you have the government helping them procure weapons through legitimate military contracts what do you expect? Doesn’t change the fact that what’s being smuggled back across the border is pistols and rifles that you and I can buy that are either being stolen or bought for them. I understand very well how gun control works and mostly how it doesn’t work. Criminals will still get guns and will get them by the easiest means possible and the easier it is the more they will have.

In my other reply to you, which you chose to ignore, I acknowledged that there’s a lot of issues with our government and that it’s only becoming more corrupt. I guess you missed that part too.

It’s funny how you’re still calling me anti gun and a commie simply because I don’t 100% agree with you and I’m not anti NFA. Just like how liberals scream “racist, facist, nazi, etc” when someone disagrees with them. You’re no different than them my dude, including the IQ.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

yeah....thank god the cartels cant get their hands on suppressors....

EXCLUSIVE -- PHOTOS: Mexican Cartel Improves Weapons Manufacturing Capabilities

Intelligence reports indicate that one of Mexico’s most dangerous cartels continues to increase their capabilities by manufacturing weapons.

www.breitbart.com

pro tip: cartels are not buying the bulk of their weapons from the US.

It doesn’t take a genius to understand why Mexican intelligence would report that the cartel is making their own weapons to cover up them giving to the them. Yeah there’s some pics in that article of obviously home made and poorly finished firearms, but that’s not what you see them

It also doesn’t take a genius to ask why the Mexican government doesn’t take action if this is true, especially when they claim to know exactly where they’re being made and have pictures. They have the capability to level the buildings with rockets or aircraft... why don’t they?

So yeah, the bullshit flag is up on that one.

 

[Holliday]

Your lack of respect for another’s views (the only right guaranteed BEFORE the second amendment I’ll remind you)

Only a true dullard, doubling down on his ignorance on the subject matter at hand, would purport that my retorts are somehow infringing your “1st Amendment rights”........

As for “tolerance” you are correct. I have none. We have tolerated your ilk within our ranks for far too long.

 

[_Windrider_]

It doesn’t take a genius to understand why Mexican intelligence would report that the cartel is making their own weapons to cover up them giving to the them. Yeah there’s some pics in that article of obviously home made and poorly finished firearms, but that’s not what you see them

It also doesn’t take a genius to ask why the Mexican government doesn’t take action if this is true, especially when they claim to know exactly where they’re being made and have pictures. They have the capability to level the buildings with rockets or aircraft... why don’t they?

So yeah, the bullshit flag is up on that one.

But do you honestly feel like a 9 month wait is justified when it could be done the same way as a regular gun purchase? What about my example above of SBR’s or AR pistols for that matter?

again this is not a personal attack so don’t take it that way. I’m just trying to understand how anyone who believes in the right to bear arms and can understand that shall not be infringed is actually being infringed. No matter how you shake the jar, the only ones affected in the end are the ones who actually follow the law.

 

[eklarsen]

more than likely politicians would use this a justification for a 10X increase in cost of a tax stamp.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Only a true dullard, doubling down on his ignorance on the subject matter at hand, would purport that my retorts are somehow infringing your “1st Amendment rights”........

As for “tolerance” you are correct. I have none. We have tolerated your ilk within our ranks for far too long.

Your “ranks”? What are you referring to, the anti gun public, or the liberals?

So should I sell all of my guns and become a gun hater and be a voice for them instead of the second amendment, hurting what you believe in? Should I vote for them and give them one more legitimate vote, hurting the chances of conservatives being elected to office?

Whichever you’re referring to you’re stepping on your own dick by suggesting I be outed from either community, because I don’t agree nor disagree with suppressors being on the registry, and I can see where they would get into criminals hands at a far higher rate if they were more available. But yeah, let’s turn our own people against us. I stand by my statement that you’re a fucking moron.

 

[Bigdog85]

The thing is though, if they weren’t regulated they would be used a lot more in crimes and a lot of criminals would have them. I own many suppressors and I’m not for or against them being regulated, but I do understand that with the strict regulations around them that people store them correctly for the most part and there aren’t that many out there so they don’t get stolen as much as normal firearms, felon homeboy from the hood can’t have his GF go buy one over the counter, or homebody can’t go buy one in a FTF. People are careful with them and I do see that as a good thing.

What I think is fucked up is that even with the extra paperwork, fingerprints, FBI BG check, etc PLUS paying a $200 tax why in the fuck does it take a year to get a form 4 approved? Form 1 e files can go through in a couple weeks so they can obviously process the fingerprints and BG checks quickly. The paper forms are usually in their system within a month or two of sending them in, the same system the e files go into so they’re obviously dragging it out. That’s what’s fucked up about NFA IMO.

Also you can’t buy new machine guns and register them, but if you have enough money you can buy one already in the registry and that’s ok. How does that make any sense? So you can get one still, but it just costs $20-$40K for something decent. Fucking dumb. These days most people even if they don’t have disposable income like that could still get a personal loan if they needed to buy such a thing so how does that reduce crime or anything?

All firearms regulations are infringements. Period.
If you disagree with this, then you and all the others who agree with you are the reason there will continue to be more infringing and trampling on our rights.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

But do you honestly feel like a 9 month wait is justified when it could be done the same way as a regular gun purchase? What about my example above of SBR’s or AR pistols for that matter?

again this is not a personal attack so don’t take it that way. I’m just trying to understand how anyone who believes in the right to bear arms and can understand that shall not be infringed is actually being infringed. No matter how you shake the jar, the only ones affected in the end are the ones who actually follow the law.

I think that’s asinine, check out post #5 which started all of these simpletons flaming me. I stated my opinion on the wait time in the second paragraph and even highlighted examples of why it doesn’t need to take that long.

As to AR pistols and SBR’s yeah I think it’s dumb too, especially when you can brace. Also nothing stopping a criminal from aquiring a rifle or rifle lower and then getting a pistol or SBR upper and assembling an illegal SBR. They don’t do that though because of convenience and them being lazy and stupid. They rock what gets stolen or what their GF, auntie, friend or whoever can buy them legally over the counter. They don’t assemble shit themselves because they’re fucking dumb. Same reason why you don’t see them getting the “fuel filters” and using in crimes or assembling 80% stuff and using them in crimes. That’s unheard of.

 

[Holliday]

So should I sell all of my guns and become a gun hater and be a voice for them instead of the second amendment, hurting what you believe in?

Stabbed in the back or front.....Gee tough choice.

 

[AllenOne1]

Well to be fair lets go back to post 5 and see what he did say.

Quote: "What I think is fucked up is that even with the extra paperwork, fingerprints, FBI BG check, etc PLUS paying a $200 tax why in the fuck does it take a year to get a form 4 approved?

But it also contains this important information.
Quote: "The thing is though, if they weren’t regulated they would be used a lot more in crimes and a lot of criminals would have them."

Lot of thinkin but not much thought.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

All firearms regulations are infringements. Period.
If you disagree with this, then you and all the others who agree with you are the reason there will continue to be more infringing and trampling on our rights.

I do agree that all regulations are infringements. You’re still to fucking stupid to acknowledge where I have said multiple times in this thread THAT I’M NOT FOR or against NFA. I simply pointed out what would be a consequence of removing them from registry which is not untrue and caused your very last brain cell to combust.

Now I’m done replying to you because you’re ignorant and have a one track mind and don’t listen to a damn thing anyone says unless they are in total agreement with you.

 

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I do agree that all regulations are infringements. You’re still to fucking stupid to acknowledge where I have said multiple times in this thread THAT I’M NOT FOR or against NFA. I simply pointed out what would be a consequence of removing them from registry which is not untrue and caused your very last brain cell to combust.

Now I’m done replying to you because you’re ignorant and have a one track mind and don’t listen to a damn thing anyone says unless they are in total agreement with you.

if you arent against the NFA, you are for the NFA.

no fence sitting like a little bitch.....either you believe in the constitution, or you dont.

 

[Bigdog85]

The thing is though, if they weren’t regulated they would be used a lot more in crimes and a lot of criminals would have them. I own many suppressors and I’m not for or against them being regulated, but I do understand that with the strict regulations around them that people store them correctly for the most part and there aren’t that many out there so they don’t get stolen as much as normal firearms, felon homeboy from the hood can’t have his GF go buy one over the counter, or homebody can’t go buy one in a FTF. People are careful with them and I do see that as a good thing.

What I think is fucked up is that even with the extra paperwork, fingerprints, FBI BG check, etc PLUS paying a $200 tax why in the fuck does it take a year to get a form 4 approved? Form 1 e files can go through in a couple weeks so they can obviously process the fingerprints and BG checks quickly. The paper forms are usually in their system within a month or two of sending them in, the same system the e files go into so they’re obviously dragging it out. That’s what’s fucked up about NFA IMO.

Also you can’t buy new machine guns and register them, but if you have enough money you can buy one already in the registry and that’s ok. How does that make any sense? So you can get one still, but it just costs $20-$40K for something decent. Fucking dumb. These days most people even if they don’t have disposable income like that could still get a personal loan if they needed to buy such a thing so how does that reduce crime or anything?

All firearms regulations are infringements. Period.
If you disagree with this, then you and all the others who agree with you I’m the reason there will continue to be more infringing and trampling on our rights.

if you arent against the NFA, you are for the NFA.

no fence sitting like a little bitch.....either you believe in the constitution, or you dont.

^^^^ This!