Rifle Scopes Athlon Ares ETR zero stop

[021411]

Honestly asking for a buddy of mine. We zeroed his Ares yesterday. It’s really nice for the money. Anyway he loosened the inner ring and got it back to where it’s supposed to be. The turret cap right now cannot be pushed back down and is currently sitting at the 2nd rev mark. Is this normal?

 

[Sieg]

Pushed down as in the how the windage turret is pushed down to lock it's position?

The elevation turret does not push down and lock like the windage turret.

 

[021411]

Pertaining to the zero

Pushed down as in the how the windage turret is pushed down to lock it's position?

The elevation turret does not push down and lock like the windage turret.

Pertaining to setting the zero stop. After the inner brass ring was set, the turret cap is stopping here when putting it back on.. Shouldn’t it be able to go back down to zero?

 

[Sieg]

Pertaining to the zero

Pertaining to setting the zero stop. After the inner brass ring was set, the turret cap is stopping here when putting it back on.. Shouldn’t it be able to go back down to zero?
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Zero isn't the bottom of the elevation scale range, it's a point on the scale where the rifle is zero'd at X yardage. The bottom of the scale is the lowest point of internal elevation adjustment, just as the top is the highest point.

Make sense?

 

[steve123]

Where ever the zero is on that "revolution scale" facing towards us in that pic, just at 1 rev above bottomed out, is a function of the relationship the angle the scope is set at on the mount and barrel axis. So if the turret is stopped on the ZS that's as far as it'll go down.

It should be right unless there is something wrong.

 

[021411]

Where ever the zero is on that "revolution scale" facing towards us in that pic, just at 1 rev above bottomed out, is a function of the relationship the angle the scope is set at on the mount and barrel axis. So if the turret is stopped on the ZS that's as far as it'll go down.

It should be right unless there is something wrong.

It just seems that it wouldn't make use of the rev count markings on the body. He's pushed down as far as it would go and it's stopping on the 2nd rev mark. Just seems a little weird. He's only getting about 14 mils of adjustment as well.

 

[steve123]

I'd start over, maybe check for burrs or some type of obstruction in the turrets or under the ZS. Right now with the 10 mils from bottom at zero and another 14 mils available, is 24 mils so around 8 mils are missing somehow???

 

[Sieg]

Scope should have 32Mil of total elevation and windage.

I'd pop the turret and double check everything.

 

[021411]

I'd start over, maybe check for burrs or some type of obstruction in the turrets or under the ZS. Right now with the 10 mils from bottom at zero and another 14 mils available, is 24 mils so around 8 mils are missing somehow???

Thanks. I'll get him to look inside the turret cap itself.

 

[cageli]

Thanks. I'll get him to look inside the turret cap itself.

If you guys dont have any build in cant, this is how it's supposed to be. Scope will zero around middle of adjustment range, like 16-17 Mil for Ares which has total of 32. It seems yours zeroed on 18mil, then you got 14 mil to go up. If you want to get more adjustment range, get some cant mount/rail, I think 40MOA one will work great for you. However, do you really need more than 14 mils up for your shooting?

 

[021411]

If you guys dont have any build in cant, this is how it's supposed to be. Scope will zero around middle of adjustment range, like 16-17 Mil for Ares which has total of 32. It seems yours zeroed on 18mil, then you got 14 mil to go up. If you want to get more adjustment range, get some cant mount/rail, I think 40MOA one will work great for you. However, do you really need more than 14 mils up for your shooting?

Yeah even at 1000 I ran his ballistic data and it’s 10 mils up or so. We were just wondering why the cap can’t be placed all the way down. He has a Rem 700 SPS Tac. Not sure what MOA rail it has from the factory.

 

[Eoddave27]

Honestly asking for a buddy of mine. We zeroed his Ares yesterday. It’s really nice for the money. Anyway he loosened the inner ring and got it back to where it’s supposed to be. The turret cap right now cannot be pushed back down and is currently sitting at the 2nd rev mark. Is this normal?

The Ares ETR has little teeth all the way around the knob. Both male and female. When I zeroed mine I needed to wiggle it a little to get the teeth to line up so the cap would go all the way down. Mine looked exactly like the photo you posted before I got the teeth to engage. Once I ligned it up it went on another 3/16-1/4”.

 

[BigJimFish]

Honestly asking for a buddy of mine. We zeroed his Ares yesterday. It’s really nice for the money. Anyway he loosened the inner ring and got it back to where it’s supposed to be. The turret cap right now cannot be pushed back down and is currently sitting at the 2nd rev mark. Is this normal?

Yes, that is a normal situation with this type of zero stop system. The revolution indicator on the Athlon scopes is not influenced by / indexed to the zero stop. The revolution indicator instead always indicates which revolution you are on starting from the bottom of the scopes total adjustment range, not from where you set the zero stop.

The reason for all of this is that both Athlon's zero stop, and rev indicator system, utilize the natural threading in and out of the adjustment to function instead of having a much more elaborate system like those you might see in more expensive scopes such as the Vortex razor HD2's etc. The Athlon system is very inexpensive to do, robust, and allows you to easily set any number of mils below zero if you so desire. So, you get a lot out of it, just not the ability to have your turn indicator index to your zero setting.

 

[021411]

Good to know. I have an ATACR so I just compared the process. I just thought something was up with his.. Thanks fellers.

 

[man32ahan]

My Etr is the same way. It’s confusing because I expect it to be zeroed and show 0 then when you turn one revolution you would see 1 then two revs 2, etc.

Like the gen 2 razor.

Instead I perceive it as I’m already on the second revolution when I’m at my zero stop

 

[wade2big]

My Etr is the same way. It’s confusing because I expect it to be zeroed and show 0 then when you turn one revolution you would see 1 then two revs 2, etc.

Like the gen 2 razor.

Instead I perceive it as I’m already on the second revolution when I’m at my zero stop

I am not a fan of the way razors and amg scopes zero. Its a pain in the ass if you are a man that moves scopes around. It is much easier and convenient to slip turrets to accomplish the task.

 

[MakeSawdust]

I have not tried this, and I do not own a Razor G2, but it seems like it should work. I have a buddy that owns a few Razor G2 scopes. He is a guy that deep down knows you can't buy skill, but has more money than time. He buys decent stuff and then sends it to me to install it, bed it, do load development, etc. I have spent a fair amount of time zeroing his scopes. I believe you could simply click to the new setting, loosen the three screws so that the turret cap will spin independently of the actual turret mechanism, spin the turret back to zero, and tighten the three screws. The limitation to this would seem to be that you could only go down .5 Mills before hitting the zero stop. Also, you would obviously not get the infinite zero capability, but that has never posed a problem for me with any of my scopes that does not have this feature. Just some food for thought. I'm pretty sure when returning to zero you will still get clicks, unlike with other scopes. If you take the caps off of the top you will be able to see if the internal mechanism is turning.

 

[Shooter-up]

My Midas Tac now only has 2 mils of play after zero… What am I doing wrong? Round is .308

 

[spife7980]

My Midas Tac now only has 2 mils of play after zero… What am I doing wrong? Round is .308

Play? You mean available upwards elevation travel?

The zero stop limits how far down you can spin the turret, if you can’t dial up more than two mils you either have a bad scope or something below the scope is bad and forcing you to dial almost all the way up, it shouldn’t be your zero stop stopping upwards elevation travel.

 

[BigJimFish]

My Midas Tac now only has 2 mils of play after zero… What am I doing wrong? Round is .308

The midas tac has a collar style zero stop, you can set whatever amount of travel below zero before the stop that you want with this type system. The amount of travel below zero just depends on where you set the zero stop collar.