AW style 223 mags

[Krob95]

Reading through a certain thread on here, a lot of folks including myself seem to want AW mags that would be compatible for a 223 cartridge. Why hasn’t anyone with a 3D printer prototyped something like that as there seems to be a lot of interest in something like that.

Would it be easier to develop an insert for an existing AW mag body similar to what MDT does for their 223mags? A whole unibody, printed magazine? I know @Tyler Kemp is the print god. Maybe he could do something like that?

Thinking out loud here as it would be cool to have that option as AICS mags are lame.

 

[b6graham]

find someone with a cnc and mill a body and steal a pmag follower/spring

 

[SkyScrapin]

Just checked a P-Mag with an AI AX bolt and it does clear the lug. One would think this is doable.

 

[ma smith]

Does anyone know if .223 feeds reliably from AW cut mags, even in AI short actions?

 

[Krob95]

Does anyone know if .223 feeds reliably from AW cut mags, even in AI short actions?

Well they don’t exist so no one knows yet lol

 

[b6graham]

Does anyone know if .223 feeds reliably from AW cut mags, even in AI short actions?

would a 223 even fit in an AW mag without just popping out/rattling around

 

[SkyScrapin]

would a 223 even fit in an AW mag without just popping out/rattling around

I'd think there would need to be excessively thick walls. Kind of like the way Rim-X mags are machined to fit AICS.

 

[b6graham]

I'd think there would need to be excessively thick walls. Kind of like the way Rim-X mags are machined to fit AICS.

so it's slightly heavier than a normal AW/AICS and still way lighter than a rimx mag

printing might be the way to go though just cost wise. (okay it's def the way to go but machined with a good design would allow for feed lip tweaks)

 

[Krob95]

Prototype a poly mag and then make the same thing with a cnc. Have two options for mags. A cheap version and a not so cheap version, there would be a market for each

 

[Rio Precision Gunworks]

Short answer.....pretty much doesn't work.

Not to mention, the market would be far too small to justify the cost of molds/stamps for the large scale production. The molds and stamps for mags aren't cheap. And you'd need a far, far larger market than the hide and others. You'd need very, very widespread use to justify it. And that would be a very hard sell.

 

[Bravo6niner]

@Tyler Kemp this looks like a project with your name on it !!

 

[just browsing]

Same reason 12 round 223 mags with long OAL haven’t been made… a couple guys on the Hide clamoring for it does not make it a large enough market to justify it.

 

[ma smith]

Short answer.....pretty much doesn't work.

Not to mention, the market would be far too small to justify the cost of molds/stamps for the large scale production. The molds and stamps for mags aren't cheap. And you'd need a far, far larger market than the hide and others. You'd need very, very widespread use to justify it. And that would be a very hard sell.

Yeah, notwithstanding the fitment to the magwell..there's a geometrical problem with .308 feed ramps running .223 cartridge. The presentation of the 223s when you double stack them is going to be narrower. So its not obvious the 223s will be in the right place to feed smoothly.

 

[Bacarrat]

A mag adapter like on the MC to fit a AR15 mag into a AW magwell would be the ticket. But you would be limited on OAL of the cartridge.

 

[Tyler Kemp]

@Tyler Kemp this looks like a project with your name on it !!

I am currently helping a prominent company in the industry work on such a project. Industrial printing is the ticket, as there is plenty of demand, but folks are scared to drop the mold fees.
We will pursue this as an MKM project if needed

 

[Krob95]

I am currently helping a prominent company in the industry work on such a project. Industrial printing is the ticket, as there is plenty of demand, but folks are scared to drop the mold fees.
We will pursue this as an MKM project if needed

The man him self has spoken! Hopefully something comes to fruition one way or another!

 

[RogueTanker]

I am currently helping a prominent company in the industry work on such a project. Industrial printing is the ticket, as there is plenty of demand, but folks are scared to drop the mold fees.
We will pursue this as an MKM project if needed

If at all possible, a longer COAL would be great, especially something north of 2.6"

 

[Gas]

Reading through a certain thread on here, a lot of folks including myself seem to want AW mags that would be compatible for a 223 cartridge. Why hasn’t anyone with a 3D printer prototyped something like that as there seems to be a lot of interest in something like that.

Would it be easier to develop an insert for an existing AW mag body similar to what MDT does for their 223mags? A whole unibody, printed magazine? I know @Tyler Kemp is the print god. Maybe he could do something like that?

Thinking out loud here as it would be cool to have that option as AICS mags are lame.

I’ve got a few industrial grade printers. Will be very busy this month, but sometime in April I should be able to do it if someone sends me an oem mag to go off of.

 

[MarinePMI]

I’ve got a few industrial grade printers. Will be very busy this month, but sometime in April I should be able to do it if someone sends me an oem mag to go off of.

Just a suggestion; if you're going through the trouble for .223, you'd probably want to consider 224 Valkyrie as well.

 

[Gas]

Just a suggestion; if you're going through the trouble for .223, you'd probably want to consider 224 Valkyrie as well.

Don’t see why not.

 

[MarinePMI]

Don’t see why not.

If'n you do, you may want to send a prototype to @Lowlight to test . I believe he has an AI set up for 224 Valkyrie.

 

[Lowlight]

Ya i am running the Valk in my AX using MDT 6ARC mags

had to modify but they stay in place now

 

[TheOE800]

Don’t see why not.

Grendel/ARC too then.

 

[Gas]

Grendel/ARC too then.

Same. But I won’t be able to do anything unless I have the base mag. Don’t have any AW mags.

 

[MarinePMI]

Same. But I won’t be able to do anything unless I have the base mag. Don’t have any AW mags.

Send me a PM, I have an AW mag you can use.

 

[Gas]

Send me a PM, I have an AW mag you can use.

Good to go. I’ll get to doing it sometime in April though, if that’s not a problem for you.

 

[MarinePMI]

Good to go. I’ll get to doing it sometime in April though, if that’s not a problem for you.

That's fine. Just let me know.

 

[AXMC]

Any further movement on this @Gas or @Tyler Kemp ?
Thanks

 

[Tyler Kemp]

I may be crazy but don't know if we got a mag in?

 

[st1650]

Bumping this ... has anyone made any progress on this ? My idea is to 3d print a PA6CF AW shell with walls to allow 2.6in coal and use the 223 pmag spring and followers ...

I'd rather have someone else tackle it but I might look into it this winter if I get some free time.

 

[912173]

This is a pic of a pmag that I modified to shoot 75gr eldm from my AR. If the bolt clears the feed lips, maybe you could print an adapter that would enclose around a pmag. Maybe make a 2 piece adapter that screws together so you could adjust how it sits until you figure out the angle. I don't have an AI, but I can almost fit a pmag in the internal magazine on my rem 700 bdl.

 

[st1650]

This is a pic of a pmag that I modified to shoot 75gr eldm from my AR. If the bolt clears the feed lips, maybe you could print an adapter that would enclose around a pmag. Maybe make a 2 piece adapter that screws together so you could adjust how it sits until you figure out the angle. I don't have an AI, but I can almost fit a pmag in the internal magazine on my rem 700 bdl.

That was kind of my idea, there’s a few 3d printed AR mags floating around and there’s an AICS body as well, it wouldn’t be too too hard to take the pmag model for the inside and merge it with the outside wall of an AICS.

 

[st1650]

Might work ... but odds are it'll be a bitch to fine tune the feed lips angle.

If it works in PLA I might get a few rolls of PA12 or PA6 carbon fiber nylon

If it feeds at 2.26 I'll remove the front lip support to go 2.55in

 

[st1650]

Might work ... but odds are it'll be a bitch to fine tune the feed ramp angle.

If it works in PLA I might get a few rolls of PA12 or PA6 carbon fiber nylon

If it feeds at 2.26 I'll remove the front lip support to go 2.55in

That's the AW version, but now that I think about it, I think I'll also do an AICS version for my ARC Nuke 2.0. See the feeding difference between the lug geometry. I'll try it on my XLR Envy since it has adjustable DBM latch

 

[st1650]

In PLA with high flow nozzle bring the print time down considerably (AICS version)

 

[912173]

I think you could get it to work. You might need to just make a prototype and hand fit it into submission to figure out where it needs changes. I don't think the feed ramp is going to be that big of deal. Since I had my rem .308 bdl out, I was able to load a .223 in the mag and have it stay under the right feed lip. It won't hold a second round on the left side because .308, but that first round feeds like butter into the chamber. It's not AI but it's a .308 feeding .223 way better than I thought it would.

 

[Lawnboi]

Not quite AW but an option.

Single stack at the feed lips, but waters rifleman mags out of AU. That’s a 10 rounder next to a 10 round aics 223. 2.6” coal as well.