Suppressors AWC? Thundertrap? .30 cal thread on suppressor

[RollingThunder51]

Folks,

Now I need your help as I need to buy a .30 cal suppressor with the following requirements:

1. Thread on only. No muzzle break quick detach.
2. Must come apart to be cleaned unless somebody can tell me why this isn't needed.
3. The quietest possible, repeat I don't care about:
- Its length, it can be as large as required
- Its diameter, it can be as wide as 4"
- Its weight, I'll just dial up material specs to lighten.
4. As small an impact on POA, point of aim, as possible. Ranges out to say 500 yards.
5. If it lasts a lifetime, I dont care what it costs.

I am used to buying AWC products, but it has been a long time and as we all know the market has changed. The Thundertrap used to be a great unit, perhaps a market leader.

Thoughts. Appreciate it.

 

[JJones75]

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well , the most effective cans will generaly be the bigger ones using a good baffel desgine , problem is that with size typicaly comes weight for you thats not the problem , the problem is that with weight comes POI shift.

not wanting to be ann AAC fanboy , the Cyclone is an awsome can , it works great and is pretty light.
my next option would be call Doug at SRT and see if he would make you a titanium Shadow XL.

The Shark cans are said to be good and semi light , SAS makes some good cans

also , a centerfire can doesen't need to be cleaned , theirs no real buildup , and what does can be flushed with a little bore cleaner and rinsed out

 

[RollingThunder51]

Re: AWC? Thundertrap? .30 cal thread on suppressor

Thanks, all these cans are as quiet as can be had?

 

[Outsydlooknin75]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks, all these cans are as quiet as can be had? </div></div>

All of the top quality cans are going to be about the same sound reduction. What it really boils down to is the first round pop, and the tone.

Honestly you need to shoot them side by side in the same conditions to be able to make the best informed decision.

Two cans can meter the same but sound completely different.

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

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someone here once said; "suppressors turn noise into heat"....with that being said....one member here has a handheld thermal imaging camera.....we tested several suppressors at one sitting and bracketed the temp. range, and in a nutshell here is what we found.

some distributed the heat fairly well (one could see the baffles light up consistently)

one had a nasty hotspot, which meant the temp. spiked to an extreme, which meant the internals were not distributing the pressures well....

one had a subtle hotspot ,,,,which we found out later was engineered to be that way

lastly one can,... we were struck by the fact that it was superior by design just by looking at how the hot gas flowed though the baffles and how it distributed the heat....

ALL were Titanium except one and all were tone'ly different,

we liked the thought of being able to dis-assemble a suppressor and we did....but it is not necessary and we will not do it again....but something was also learned here.....consistent manufacturing to exacting tolerances....perfect fit and finish.

 

[RollingThunder51]

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Many thanks, very helpful.

One last couple of questions:

1. Since the last time I bought one, designs now go over the barrel and center on a profiled shoulder. Is this a plus worth participating with.

2. I'm a big believer in the strength, the "defensability" of individual rights in the courts. I'm less hopeful about the residual rights and defensibility/survivability of "trusts." Should I register again as an individual or is the "trust" argument so overwhelming that I should consider it?

 

[JJones75]

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the trust is just a way to bypass the local LE part of it , if your sherriff will sign off on it id register it to my person

also , the "over the barrel" mount is actualy pretty old just not as easy to make. The OPS inc cans do work well though

 

[bsp212]

Re: AWC? Thundertrap? .30 cal thread on suppressor

The Thundertrap is still a great suppressor but it is a dated design and its pretty heavy. It is very, very quiet and has a pretty cool tone that for lack of better words is almost "hiss" like. If you're using a truck axle for a barrel (I'm using a Krieger MTU) with a properly bedded action, I wouldn't worry about POI shift. Provided that your muzzled is threaded correctly, POI will be repeatable with the AWC. Even though I own one, I will say that for not much more money, better suppressors can be had but don't make your decision based on numbers on paper. When it comes to tone, flash and sound suppression, the AWC is hard to beat.

 

[RollingThunder51]

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Many thanks to all. Will advise as to outcome.

 

[malaga2]

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I have a Thundertrap... built like a brick shithouse. Sounds great to me and I have a couple of thousand rounds through it. I dont clean it...
I asked John Titsworth at Silencer Research if he was going to test the Thundertrap against some of the other cans...apparently the threading on the Thundertrap didnt mate to the rifles they had for testing so no independant numbers as of yet.
I can only describe the sound of sub loads as similar to an air brake letting off..
Check out Johns site... for $30 you get to see all the reviews of the 30 cal cand he tested. Money well spent considering the cost/wait times on these...

 

[shiner]

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I don't know where you live- but if you could make it to this:

I would strongly recommend it. There will be lots of opportunities to hear all different brands to help you make an informed decision. Plus it should be really fun. I'm really wishing I could go right now

 

[dirkreader]

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I went with the Shark suppressor. Wonderful can in all aspects that you mentioned. Good luck with your search!

 

[shiner]

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Wait for it...

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[cheshier2]

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SWR Omega 30.. I would not buy that Thundertrap crap!

 

[malaga2]

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pray tell why?

 

[HPLLC]

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The thundertrap should be good. The baffles are assymetric as are the baffles of most silencers that reduce sound very well at all. These baffle systems promote some very slight bullet instability that causes parasitic drag to be increased. Downrange velocities decrease and with them trajectory becomes slightly more pronounced to the tune of 1-2.5MOA depending on range.

The Ops silencers use symetric baffling and will probably be "the silencer to have" for positive bullet flight characteristics. They are however right at about 141DB on the meter from what I've seen and that's not a really bad thing. Few cans will be so much quieter than that that they actually warrant a look.

The military users value POI shift and ballistics to an extent that they choose Ops mostly. The 110SASS and the SF .300win mag rifle use KAC cans which are slip fit and latch and though very tight tolerance, they sometimes cause odd fliers of .5-1MOA and they do have asymmetric baffling coupled with outstanding sound reduction.

My brother and I have used and are issued the 110's and I talked to an SF sniper who used the .300mag rifle, and all of us had a tendency for the rifles to throw fliers as the mount fouled with carbon during the first 5-10 rounds. Thereafter, the carbon seems to lock up any residual play and promotes better consistency shot to shot.

 

[WYK]

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I have heard cans that measure quieter on a dB meter than the AWC sound louder to the ear in person. There is more to this than maximum pressure waves.

 

[STLTACTICAL]

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Betwwen the Thundertrap and AAC Cyclone, side by side without meters it's tough to tell the difference, have a YHM Phantom coming in and will see how it compares..
Thundertraps are rock solid..The Cyclone you can use FA
Cyclone on Tikka T3

 

[RayDog]

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Check out our 30P-1. Very quiet and will not hurt accuracy at all at any range

 

[RollingThunder51]

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HPLLC, I have come to find you were absolutely correct in everything you stated except...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HPLLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> These baffle systems promote some very slight bullet instability that causes parasitic drag to be increased. Downrange velocities decrease and with them trajectory becomes slightly more pronounced to the tune of 1-2.5MOA depending on range.</div></div>

WIth the AWC Thundertrap, downrange velocity <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">increases</span></span> approximately 1-2%, just the opposite, there is no 1-2.5MOA shift due to loss of velocity.

I worked hard to hear as many .30 cans as I could over the last year. I even had the chance to hear Ops/Surefire/AWC cans on same rifle. Walked away with a very strong impression that AWC was indeed the quietest most "non firearm" sounding of the lot. After a while with the best cans, its all pretty close. The least quiet ot my ears? Surefire.

To be clear here, all the cans were an improvement. All the cans seemed well made. Its all about sound and construction. I too have now come to realize that all the noise about AWC being somehow "old technology" is complete nonsense. When somebody tells you AWC is old materials, old manufacturing techniques, old designs, too heavy, etc.,etc. just go and look for yourself. It's baloney. Titanium, 360 circumfrential welded, etc. I also found out that there are alot more AWC Thundertraps out there being shot, most by far. The guys that own them, have nothing but excellent things to say, if you can get them to talk about their rigs at all.

I heard their Jupiter's Eye 9mm can next to four others, quietest on first round, quietest when warm, huge difference. Are they more expensive? Yes, about 15%-20% more. But the materials, the build, the sound is excellent. It took me a good four months to get to listen to the new brood of 9mm cans.

Thanks for all the input, very much appreciated. I'm done...AWC.

 

[Tucsondave]

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AWC T Trap .338 on my T wolf and My AWAI .308
Couldn't be happier

 

[long-shot]

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I haven't seen it mentioned, but the Cyclone is only rated for .308, and not the magnums. I have the Cyclone K model (smaller, lighter, and a couple decibels louder). My POI shift is .2 mils straight down, and it's what I would call hearing safe. I just didn't want to see you make a decision for a 300 and get the wrong can.

 

[csloop]

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I got a buddy that has the thundertrap on a 308 very quiet as in shoot all without muffs quiet and thats with supersonic loads. Anyway I to am looking for a suppressor for a 300 if the trap is anything on the 300 like the 308 im sold. Its either the AWC or the tigershark for me just cant decide.

 

[RollingThunder51]

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Now that right there is truly a blast from the past! 2009.

 

[m1garand30064]

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Haha I read the first post and saw point 2 and about fell out of my chair. Rollingthunder asking for a take apart centerfire can? Then I saw the date! Nice necrobump.

 

[RollingThunder51]

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Hey, never let it be said that I can't change or that I don't get down and do the work! A great number of generous folks and literally 100s of cans listened to and you kind of get an opinion!

 

[malaga2]

I still maintain after all these years that my Thundertrap is the dogs bolocks in 30 cal cans !

 

[Downrange1x]

Most of the ones here whining about the AWC's weight have never been in the field with them. They whine because they weigh more than their buddies in the next stall. YES!! These bastards do carry more weight than the standard " Hobbiest" can's and there is a damn good reason, they are Bomb-Proof units that will and have lasted the test of time and abuse!I own several different makes of cans but I stick to my AWC's when it is down to the serious shooting or in field useage time. I pulled a major DUMBASS stunt last year when I reach into the vault to retrieve a can for a brother to try out for his next purchase. I was looking for my AWC Raider. It got mounted onto a Sig 556 SBR and test fired 20 rds. All was normal, performance was excellent as usual. It was after the test that MY D/A moment was found. I had mistakingly grabbed the AWC Stalker .22 mag. suppressor instead of the Raider 556 unit. The Stalker handled 20 rds. of XM855 556 without ANY trauma of damage to the unit. Till this day it still is in operation and just as good as it was before . Try this out with your lightweight units and see what happens! I will always depend on AWC products.