Gunsmithing Badger M2008 build complete, pictures soon.

[Mgordon]

Hey Gents,

I'm building up a Badger M2008 action and I noticed that there is a very tight tolerance between the bolt body and the bolt raceway in the action. I measured it, and I believe the action is .786 and the bolt is .784. That is a difference of .002". On top of that there was a pretty good burr that developed from just cycling the action (not slamming it or abusing it).

The problem is that when I go to Cerakote it, there is going to be almost no tolerance between the parts. Is this normal for this action?

Here is the burr.

 

[Moof]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

I don't know about the burr.... I don't think mine has one but i'll check. As for the bolt being snug, get used to it! That's the first thing I noticed when I got mine. I had my action gun coated and ya it made things harder yet. Put some greese on it and work it in. It will get better the more you cycle it but the paint job will ware off where it rubs. I saw some one on here that had his bolt fluted and looks mean as hell! Maybe concider that being done?

 

[JJones75]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Hey Mark , what type of tool and what speed are you threading at?
maybe its the focus of the pic but the threads look like they may have had a little chatter

 

[Mgordon]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

It was a high speed steel cutter running at around 125 RPM's.

 

[Wheres-Waldo]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Did you have the breach ring in?

I think without it, the stud of the bolt handle tends to put a bit of stress on the reciever, because the bolt doesnt headspace off the lugs/breach ring but that area where you have that burr....thats the only thing I can think of that would cause a burr like that?

 

[JJones75]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

PM inbound

 

[Mgordon]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wheres-Waldo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you have the breach ring in?

I think without it, the stud of the bolt handle tends to put a bit of stress on the reciever, because the bolt doesnt headspace off the lugs/breach ring but that area where you have that burr....thats the only thing I can think of that would cause a burr like that? </div></div>

Yeah, it was in. I like the action and I think it has some great features. I just don't know if the additional weight is going to matter at all.

 

[858]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

PVD

 

[Adam B]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

I have all of my actions nitride coated, it is similar to pvd, it is extremely thin and very durable

 

[deadly0311]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Mark look into Ion Bonding coating....pm JasonK on here, he had his Ion Bonded and speaks highly of it. I believe the M2008 i bought from him was Ion Bonded, i put a little grease/oil on the bolt body and its smooth as snot on glass

 

[Mgordon]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mark look into Ion Bonding coating....pm JasonK on here, he had his Ion Bonded and speaks highly of it. I believe the M2008 i bought from him was Ion Bonded, i put a little grease/oil on the bolt body and its smooth as snot on glass </div></div>

I have played with Ion Bond before. I had a nice Rem 700 30-06 Ion Bonded and I thought it looked great, but the customer needs his rifle back asap, so I Cerakoted it this evening. I should have some pictures up tomorrow.

Mark

 

[Chiller]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

tag

 

[Mgordon]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Build complete, pictures up soon!

 

[Cigarcop]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Come on already, I'm on the edge of my seat!!!!

 

[Mgordon]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Ok, maybe just a few...

 

[hunter223]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

I hope the guy that's getting that beauty can shoot. Nice job Mark

 

[Monger0317]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Mark,that's going to make one satisfied customer if you ask me. What's the finish and color on the action & barrel?

 

[Bacarrat]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Nice!

 

[Adam B]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

wow, nice paint job!!

 

[Mgordon]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Its Cerakote. Hunter wanted a color to match his scope, so he called up Cerakote and they matched it up with Patriot Brown. The camera distorts the color just a little. The black is Graphite Black.

Patriot Brown....

Barrel
Action
Bolt
Firing Pin
rings
M5 Bottom Metal

Graphite Black

Extractor
Bolt Shroud
Bolt Release
Scope Ring hardware
Bolt knob
Thread Protector
M5 Mag Release
Scope Base

 

[Cigarcop]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Very nice...now one of it in a stock please!!!

 

[SSG3K]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

One of mine was really tight. We put it in the lathe and turned it down with some emery cloth and then fluted it. Now it runs like a champ.

Rich

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Thats brown?



GREAT job Mark.

 

[hunter223]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cigarcop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very nice...now one of it in a stock please!!! </div></div> put down the Monster Import and have patience lol, it will be rewarded.

 

[Mgordon]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats brown?



GREAT job Mark. </div></div>

The second picture shows the color more correctly. I think it could have been a little darker.

 

[Revenge Seeker]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Mark, Looking at your picture a little more closely, IMO, if you used a carbide cutting tool with ALOT more coolant/(preferably high sulfur oil) you could improve your thread finish greatly. the marks that you see, judging from how they follow the thread profile, are most likely from very miniscule chips friction bonding or welding to your tool point and staying there because they've either work hardened themselves onto your tool or they've been heated very quickly and then quenched by your coolant and are now harder than the initial stock piece.

If you were to use a Coated carbide insert at a speed of no less than 225RPM with a maximum depth of cut of .015/[email protected]* progression, I think you'll be very pleased with the results! let me know! I like using dedicated pitch tooling, will PM you a link shortly, take care!

 

[Mgordon]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Creeter2,

I'm always looking for good machining advice. Well I try to sharpen my HSS bit before every thread cutting and I believe my angles and geometry are correct, plus tool h I'm running about 125 Rpm and I have the cutting oil flowing over my work. I take about .004" passes and down to .002 and .001 when I get close. I'm using a dial indicator on a magnetic base on my bed.

I'm using Re Li On as my all purpose coolant and cutting oil. I use it when chambering, cutting, turning, threading...etc.

Like I said, I'm always looking for a better set up, or new tooling and ideas....You cant be the jack of all trades.

 

[SingleShot85]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

Well, did the paint affect how the bolt runs in the action?????

oh and pics of the complete master piece!


kt

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

What are those bolt knobs in the back ground? Prototypes?

 

[gamma]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wheres-Waldo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you have the breach ring in? </div></div>
What are you guys refering to when your talking about the breach ring.

 

[Mgordon]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gamma</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wheres-Waldo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you have the breach ring in? </div></div>
What are you guys refering to when your talking about the breach ring. </div></div>

The Badger Action has a sleeve that gets indexed and "sandwiched" in between a shoulder slightly infront of the bolt and the barrel shank that serves as the locking area for the bolt. Much like an AR-15 barrel extension.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What are those bolt knobs in the back ground? Prototypes?

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Maybe....I have to keep on my toes around here.....the competition is on their A game!

 

[Cuban Croc]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

US Handgunner,

Keith, single.shot, asked you a question about the action. I was curious of the result as well. I am interested in the action, but I would like it to run smooth w/out adding anymore oil than necessary. I believe an action should operate w/out any extra loving or care minus a good cleaning.

Can you answer the question about whether the action works well...easy to manipulate...working in any condition? example: dirt, sand, etc.

Thank you,

Al

 

[Ratbert]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSG3K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of mine was really tight. We put it in the lathe and turned it down with some emery cloth and then fluted it. Now it runs like a champ.
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That was my plan for mine. It's fine when it's clean and oiled but with the gunKote there is no tolerance at all for any muck.

 

[Mgordon]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cuban Croc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">US Handgunner,

Keith, single.shot, asked you a question about the action. I was curious of the result as well. I am interested in the action, but I would like it to run smooth w/out adding anymore oil than necessary. I believe an action should operate w/out any extra loving or care minus a good cleaning.

Can you answer the question about whether the action works well...easy to manipulate...working in any condition? example: dirt, sand, etc.

Thank you,

Al
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I could not answer that question because I have not run them through those conditions. Do do way more building than I do shooting unfortunately. You will have to search and find M2008 owners and ask them.

I agree, and think that they should not need any extra loving care, but I'm sure Badger wanted the most accurate action they could make, and by having a really tight bolt this helps achieve that goal. Its probably my biggest con with this action in my opinion.

With the Cerakote, I did not have oil oozing out of it, when I take the parts out of the oven and they cool, I wipe them down with oil and then wipe them down again with a rag. The oil almost soaks up and is dry to the touch afterward, so that is what I meant. I have not heard too much about people having problems with them gumming up, but its a relatively new action. Only time will tell I guess.

Mark

 

[deadly0311]

Re: Badger M2008 build question.

never had a problem running mine dry, its been in some less than clean situations. If i oil the bolt body its smooth as shit, but without oil its just smooth