Do the Alternut that Shilen makes and the Remage at Northern Shooters supply work well on the R700? Are their any cons to these systems?
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They don't look quite a nice as a shoudlered barrel for sure. But a $350 Criterion that shoots sub .5 min is hard to beat for us poors.
Only con is you have to set its headspace yourself when you screw it in and tighten it down
You lose free barrel weight by going with a nut
A remage barrel nut and a criterion prefit is probably the cheapest, easiest way to a half moa (maybe less) rifle with minimal turnaround time. A ~$25 remage nut, $60 worth of forster go/no go gauges and a $300 barrel from NSS and you're good to go.Do the Alternut that Shilen makes and the Remage at Northern Shooters supply work well on the R700? Are their any cons to these systems?
Criterion versus BartleinWhile true, the net effect can't be that much for two reasons:
- The nut adds some weight back
- The weight loss is where it matters the least from a weight and balance (leverage) aspect
I agree whole heartedly. Thats why most of mine wear oneThat's a pretty minor tradeoff for the ability to do your own barrel changes if you own a mass-produced action that isn't as dimensionally consistent as a custom action and so you can't use shouldered pre-fits.
You need a no go gauge tooI've done two Remage builds on factory Rem 700 actions with Criterion prefit barrels from Northland Shooter Supply. Both are in KRG Bravo chassis and shoot sub MOA. It's a straightforward system that is easily user serviceable with a few tool and a GO gauge.
And, I'll say. How in the hell do you keep the recoil lug from slipping....
PutAnd, I'll say. How in the hell do you keep the recoil lug from slipping....! I always liked the pinned recoil lugs, but damn, it took half a dozen tries to get the nut tightened and the lug "mostly" straight. In the end, it still was slightly crooked, but not enough to really matter. Drove me nuts though....
I highly recommend the folks of nss. They’re great and will walk you through everything that you need. I can’t stress the importance enough of a precision ground recoil lug and nut. As y’all know Recoil lugs just look flat and can cause alignment issues with the barrel. I really wished I hadn’t tried to save that precision ground recoil lug and nut money. I’m still not sure which one got me but my savings ended up costing me shipping twice and hell of lot of aggravation.You need a no go gauge too
You need a no go gauge too
That's what I doIn a pinch I use tape on the back of a GO-Gauge to make it a NO-GO
That's what I do
Me too.That's what I do
What exactly happens when you have too much headspace? Let's say .020" for example...Excess headspace is far more dangerous than not enough. If you're going to be so cheap that you won't buy a proper set of gauges, at least buy the no go. You can set go with a case sized its full length.
I ordered a remage from nss late last year and they had some chamberings in shilen and others in criterion. The chambering determined which barrel manufacturer you would get, I think. They might let you pick but I’m not sure of how they do it now. Maybe someone else has talked to them recently. I have nothing but praise for nss, they know this stuff and cover everything to get you squared away. Like one guy said, it’s the fastest way to a 1/2moa rifle available.Been running shilen savage barrels for many years. At first on savage actions , now elusively on zermatt actions. Shilen barrels freakin Shoot GOOD! I have experience with a few CBI also they shoot good too but seem more picky , as in, they like a certain load and only that load. The shilens seem more forgiving to me.. always been easy to find a good .3”-.2” load in every shilen I’ve personally had.. with all loads tried being .5” or less for the most part . Can’t go wrong with either option. NSS carry’s most all the popular calibers in stock ready to ship.
Yeah.To the guys that are using Remington 700 actions, are you using the prefits on actions completely stock without any trueing and still getting good results?
Ya I figured you wouldn’t want to mess with the threads. I just see a lot of factory rem 700 actions with remage barrels and I always wondered if they do any trueing work before hand. I’ve always been told that most of the mechanical accuracy is in the quality of the barrel and the chambering.Yeah.
If you do get it trued just have the faces touched to line up with the threads and dont open up the threads themselves. Having the factory thread pattern is whats important there. Like with any screw, having the male and female dimensions paired together is important.
Wait, are you asking about prefits, or Remage barrels? Prefits are generally understood to be shouldered, versus a barrel nut system which by design should be able to be headspaced properly on basically any action that shares the barrel's tenon thread pattern.Ya I figured you wouldn’t want to mess with the threads. I just see a lot of factory rem 700 actions with remage barrels and I always wondered if they do any trueing work before hand. I’ve always been told that most of the mechanical accuracy is in the quality of the barrel and the chambering.
Sorry, mixing up terminology, I am talking about remage barrels on out of the box rem700 actions.Wait, are you asking about prefits, or Remage barrels? Prefits are generally understood to be shouldered, versus a barrel nut system which by design should be able to be headspaced properly on basically any action that shares the barrel's tenon thread pattern.
Ah, ok, gotcha. Honestly, once I started getting into the truing/blueprinting considerations, I think I'd scrap the project, sell the action and go straight custom. But yeah, as @spife7980 stated, great results can be had with a factory action and a Remage barrel.Sorry, mixing up terminology, I am talking about remage barrels on out of the box rem700 actions.
Yes, two different stock Rem700 SA's that I just screwed a prefit Criterion barrel into, then dropped them each into KRG Bravo's.To the guys that are using Remington 700 actions, are you using the prefits on actions completely stock without any trueing and still getting good results?
You still have plenty of questions going in blindly with a gauge. If you were thorough you would measure them both and compare... you know, like you would when using the scotch tape.