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Re: Barrett BORS system
I use the BORS system. Here is a link to a discussion.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...067#Post1933067
I use the BORS system. Here is a link to a discussion.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...067#Post1933067
Re: Barrett BORS system
it has a scale bar on the screen that moves like a level to tell you if it is canted.
it has a scale bar on the screen that moves like a level to tell you if it is canted.
Re: Barrett BORS system
Sorry should have taken a picture of that. The zero turns into a skinny bar when it is level.
Sorry should have taken a picture of that. The zero turns into a skinny bar when it is level.
Re: Barrett BORS system
Cool thanks, I get it now. This kind of technology is definately the wave of the future. While in their infancy right now, in a few years they'll be ranging and setting the erector for us with a single button press.
Cool thanks, I get it now. This kind of technology is definately the wave of the future. While in their infancy right now, in a few years they'll be ranging and setting the erector for us with a single button press.
Re: Barrett BORS system
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This kind of technology is definately the wave of the future. While in their infancy right now, in a few years they'll be ranging and setting the erector for us with a single button press. </div></div>That's what John Plaster says in his book. I disagree.
BORS is actually a wave of the past. It does nothing for us that we can't already do. And I don't want a system that sets the elevation knob on my behalf because that doesn't help me solve the problem.
Bushnell has a scope on the market now that lazes the target and automatically sets the holdover on the reticle with no need to turn knobs. Some people might like it, and I think I know why, but I don't use that system either.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This kind of technology is definately the wave of the future. While in their infancy right now, in a few years they'll be ranging and setting the erector for us with a single button press. </div></div>That's what John Plaster says in his book. I disagree.
BORS is actually a wave of the past. It does nothing for us that we can't already do. And I don't want a system that sets the elevation knob on my behalf because that doesn't help me solve the problem.
Bushnell has a scope on the market now that lazes the target and automatically sets the holdover on the reticle with no need to turn knobs. Some people might like it, and I think I know why, but I don't use that system either.
Re: Barrett BORS system
What do you mean by the BORS setting the elevation knob on your behalf?
BORS is just a ballistics calculator that is pre-programmed for the round you are shooting. You still have to range and set elevation yourself.
What do you mean by the BORS setting the elevation knob on your behalf?
BORS is just a ballistics calculator that is pre-programmed for the round you are shooting. You still have to range and set elevation yourself.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beale338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What do you mean by the BORS setting the elevation knob on your behalf? BORS is just a ballistics calculator that is pre-programmed for the round you are shooting. You still have to range and set elevation yourself. </div></div>I was responding to 1812's post, in which he says that the 'erector' will be set for us.
The BORS is only a (too simple) ballistics program specififc to a single optic and coupled to the elevation knob. Again, the only question I have about it is: Why?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beale338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What do you mean by the BORS setting the elevation knob on your behalf? BORS is just a ballistics calculator that is pre-programmed for the round you are shooting. You still have to range and set elevation yourself. </div></div>I was responding to 1812's post, in which he says that the 'erector' will be set for us.
The BORS is only a (too simple) ballistics program specififc to a single optic and coupled to the elevation knob. Again, the only question I have about it is: Why?
Re: Barrett BORS system
it's very simple.... the BORS has a ballistic software, you have to install it on your pc, you can create a personal library to change the BORS library, you can put data as:
bullet weight
zero distance
muzzle velocity
ballistic coefficient
scope height
name of your load
the software crete a ballistic table... this for every load you put in the database.
after with a cable connected to BORS and pc you can upload the library into the BORS or from BORS to the PC.....
you can use metric or english input.... the output value are very close to other software...... like FFS, JBM ecc ecc
it's very simple.... the BORS has a ballistic software, you have to install it on your pc, you can create a personal library to change the BORS library, you can put data as:
bullet weight
zero distance
muzzle velocity
ballistic coefficient
scope height
name of your load
the software crete a ballistic table... this for every load you put in the database.
after with a cable connected to BORS and pc you can upload the library into the BORS or from BORS to the PC.....
you can use metric or english input.... the output value are very close to other software...... like FFS, JBM ecc ecc
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Sorry, You have to build the drop chart and download it to the BORS. They do have some pre-programmed factory rounds in the BORS but if you reload you have to program it.
Sorry, You have to build the drop chart and download it to the BORS. They do have some pre-programmed factory rounds in the BORS but if you reload you have to program it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: davide</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you can use metric or english input.... the output value are very close to other software...... like FFS, JBM ecc ecc </div></div>From what I know about it, and I admit I have only seen it once, it's <span style="text-decoration: underline">unlike</span> FFS.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: davide</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you can use metric or english input.... the output value are very close to other software...... like FFS, JBM ecc ecc </div></div>From what I know about it, and I admit I have only seen it once, it's <span style="text-decoration: underline">unlike</span> FFS.
Re: Barrett BORS system
It is faster, not having to count klicks.
It makes up for shooting up hill or down hill.
It compensates for temp, elevation and barometric pressure.
It is faster, not having to count klicks.
It makes up for shooting up hill or down hill.
It compensates for temp, elevation and barometric pressure.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This kind of technology is definately the wave of the future. While in their infancy right now, in a few years they'll be ranging and setting the erector for us with a single button press. </div></div>That's what John Plaster says in his book. I disagree.
BORS is actually a wave of the past. It does nothing for us that we can't already do. And I don't want a system that sets the elevation knob on my behalf because that doesn't help me solve the problem.
Bushnell has a scope on the market now that lazes the target and automatically sets the holdover on the reticle with no need to turn knobs. Some people might like it, and I think I know why, but I don't use that system either. </div></div>
Well I'm likening this to my experience on the tank, some 7-10 years ago.
We would lase the target, the proper elevation would be automaticly placed on the gun, the computer knew the baro pressure, temp, wind and cant, and computed a firing solution to include rate of movement of our tank and the target. Of course it also knew the ballistics of whatever ammo type was selected.
Worked great in that environment, but I was never a sniper so perhaps I'm missing why you wouldn't want a similar system in a precision rifle if it were available.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This kind of technology is definately the wave of the future. While in their infancy right now, in a few years they'll be ranging and setting the erector for us with a single button press. </div></div>That's what John Plaster says in his book. I disagree.
BORS is actually a wave of the past. It does nothing for us that we can't already do. And I don't want a system that sets the elevation knob on my behalf because that doesn't help me solve the problem.
Bushnell has a scope on the market now that lazes the target and automatically sets the holdover on the reticle with no need to turn knobs. Some people might like it, and I think I know why, but I don't use that system either. </div></div>
Well I'm likening this to my experience on the tank, some 7-10 years ago.
We would lase the target, the proper elevation would be automaticly placed on the gun, the computer knew the baro pressure, temp, wind and cant, and computed a firing solution to include rate of movement of our tank and the target. Of course it also knew the ballistics of whatever ammo type was selected.
Worked great in that environment, but I was never a sniper so perhaps I'm missing why you wouldn't want a similar system in a precision rifle if it were available.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beale338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is faster, not having to count klicks. It makes up for shooting up hill or down hill. It compensates for temp, elevation and barometric pressure.</div></div>So the ad says, but....
1. One doesn't count clicks; that 'feature' is a tourist trap.
2. You yourself can shoot uphill, even downhill
, and you can probably learn to do it better because the program won't tell you how it does it or when you need to do it. What about an angle of sixty degrees at fifteen yards: will it calculate a solution for hitting a 3/8 dot at that distance? (I don't know whether it will, I'm just asking).
3. Of course it compensates: it's just a ballistics program. But so what? Why hamstring yourself and your friends by attaching that thing to your rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I'm likening this to my experience on the tank, some 7-10 years ago.... perhaps I'm missing why you wouldn't want a similar system in a precision rifle if it were available.</div></div>I would. If it were available. But even then I wouldn't necessarily want it in my rifle unless I needed it there because I was shooting at extreme ranges from a fast moving vehicle.
So, I'm still asking: Why? Why would someone want to spend twelve hundred dollars on something that will end up limiting his capabilities more than will much more useful software and a PDA to run it on at less than one third of the cost of a BORS?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beale338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is faster, not having to count klicks. It makes up for shooting up hill or down hill. It compensates for temp, elevation and barometric pressure.</div></div>So the ad says, but....
1. One doesn't count clicks; that 'feature' is a tourist trap.
2. You yourself can shoot uphill, even downhill
3. Of course it compensates: it's just a ballistics program. But so what? Why hamstring yourself and your friends by attaching that thing to your rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I'm likening this to my experience on the tank, some 7-10 years ago.... perhaps I'm missing why you wouldn't want a similar system in a precision rifle if it were available.</div></div>I would. If it were available. But even then I wouldn't necessarily want it in my rifle unless I needed it there because I was shooting at extreme ranges from a fast moving vehicle.
So, I'm still asking: Why? Why would someone want to spend twelve hundred dollars on something that will end up limiting his capabilities more than will much more useful software and a PDA to run it on at less than one third of the cost of a BORS?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beale338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is faster, not having to count klicks. It makes up for shooting up hill or down hill. It compensates for temp, elevation and barometric pressure.</div></div>So the ad says, but....
1. One doesn't count clicks; that 'feature' is a tourist trap.
2. You yourself can shoot uphill, even downhill
, and you can probably learn to do it better because the program won't tell you how it does it or when you need to do it. What about an angle of sixty degrees at fifteen yards: will it calculate a solution for hitting a 3/8 dot at that distance? (I don't know whether it will, I'm just asking).
3. Of course it compensates: it's just a ballistics program. But so what? Why hamstring yourself and your friends by attaching that thing to your rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I'm likening this to my experience on the tank, some 7-10 years ago.... perhaps I'm missing why you wouldn't want a similar system in a precision rifle if it were available.</div></div>I would. If it were available. But even then I wouldn't necessarily want it in my rifle unless I needed it there because I was shooting at extreme ranges from a fast moving vehicle.
So, I'm still asking: Why? Why would someone want to spend twelve hundred dollars on something that will end up limiting his capabilities more than will much more useful software and a PDA to run it on at less than one third of the cost of a BORS? </div></div>
I wasn't going by what the ad says, I was going by experience!
If a PDA works for you then by all means that's what you should use, the BORS works for me so that's what I'm going to use.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beale338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is faster, not having to count klicks. It makes up for shooting up hill or down hill. It compensates for temp, elevation and barometric pressure.</div></div>So the ad says, but....
1. One doesn't count clicks; that 'feature' is a tourist trap.
2. You yourself can shoot uphill, even downhill
3. Of course it compensates: it's just a ballistics program. But so what? Why hamstring yourself and your friends by attaching that thing to your rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I'm likening this to my experience on the tank, some 7-10 years ago.... perhaps I'm missing why you wouldn't want a similar system in a precision rifle if it were available.</div></div>I would. If it were available. But even then I wouldn't necessarily want it in my rifle unless I needed it there because I was shooting at extreme ranges from a fast moving vehicle.
So, I'm still asking: Why? Why would someone want to spend twelve hundred dollars on something that will end up limiting his capabilities more than will much more useful software and a PDA to run it on at less than one third of the cost of a BORS? </div></div>
I wasn't going by what the ad says, I was going by experience!
If a PDA works for you then by all means that's what you should use, the BORS works for me so that's what I'm going to use.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beale338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If a PDA works for you then by all means that's what you should use, the BORS works for me so that's what I'm going to use. </div></div>They both work for everyone.
I'm not arguing against choice in the marketplace. I'm arguing that one is qualitatively better than the other, and cheaper to boot. Knowing why one is better than the other, knowing how they work by comparing them, and knowing the limits of each is of value to members who want to understand long range shooting.
My question, still, is why someone who knows how to use a better more useful more versatile and cheaper system would elect to buy the more inconvenient and more expensive one with fewer features, then attach it to their rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beale338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If a PDA works for you then by all means that's what you should use, the BORS works for me so that's what I'm going to use. </div></div>They both work for everyone.
I'm not arguing against choice in the marketplace. I'm arguing that one is qualitatively better than the other, and cheaper to boot. Knowing why one is better than the other, knowing how they work by comparing them, and knowing the limits of each is of value to members who want to understand long range shooting.
My question, still, is why someone who knows how to use a better more useful more versatile and cheaper system would elect to buy the more inconvenient and more expensive one with fewer features, then attach it to their rifle.
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I've used it and here is my opinion. If you are an experienced shooter who knows his basics and advanced knowledge it can be a new and interesting toy, but if you are a new shooter you should learn the basics before you use this. The reason why I say this is because it works but you will not learn anything buy using it. It's like handing a calculator to a child trying to learn arithmatic. Yes you may get the right answer but are you any more profficient or any smarter? No you are not
I've used it and here is my opinion. If you are an experienced shooter who knows his basics and advanced knowledge it can be a new and interesting toy, but if you are a new shooter you should learn the basics before you use this. The reason why I say this is because it works but you will not learn anything buy using it. It's like handing a calculator to a child trying to learn arithmatic. Yes you may get the right answer but are you any more profficient or any smarter? No you are not
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: popeye089</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've used it and here is my opinion. If you are an experienced shooter who knows his basics and advanced knowledge it can be a new and interesting toy, but if you are a new shooter you should learn the basics before you use this. The reason why I say this is because it works but you will not learn anything buy using it. It's like handing a calculator to a child trying to learn arithmatic. Yes you may get the right answer but are you any more profficient or any smarter? No you are not </div></div>
I agree....
one things to say, if you are using a PDA with ballistic software or BORS or JBM on the web... you have to do a lot of work to be on target..
you have to:
crono you load with accurate crono..
know your ballistic coefficient.. not always the BC are accurate
your scope has to work in accurate manner
you have to got other instrument like a kestrel or similar device for temperature, station pressure..
you to do a lot of test to see how your load works with -5 C° and with 30 C°
you have to put all the input in a BORS or in a ballistic software.....
you have to check and correct some issues and bugs always displaied in a ballistic software...
you have to use correct data.... so station pressure or other ecc ecc.....
this is more real more you shoot near the maximum capability of your load....
so.... a lot of work.... always..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: popeye089</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've used it and here is my opinion. If you are an experienced shooter who knows his basics and advanced knowledge it can be a new and interesting toy, but if you are a new shooter you should learn the basics before you use this. The reason why I say this is because it works but you will not learn anything buy using it. It's like handing a calculator to a child trying to learn arithmatic. Yes you may get the right answer but are you any more profficient or any smarter? No you are not </div></div>
I agree....
one things to say, if you are using a PDA with ballistic software or BORS or JBM on the web... you have to do a lot of work to be on target..
you have to:
crono you load with accurate crono..
know your ballistic coefficient.. not always the BC are accurate
your scope has to work in accurate manner
you have to got other instrument like a kestrel or similar device for temperature, station pressure..
you to do a lot of test to see how your load works with -5 C° and with 30 C°
you have to put all the input in a BORS or in a ballistic software.....
you have to check and correct some issues and bugs always displaied in a ballistic software...
you have to use correct data.... so station pressure or other ecc ecc.....
this is more real more you shoot near the maximum capability of your load....
so.... a lot of work.... always..
Re: Barrett BORS system
Sounds like the opinion from those who have used it is that the BORS is another tool at the shooter's disposal, nothing more. It amazes me when people knock this obviously useful technology - probably comes from either:
1) they can't afford the device and then knock it to rationalize not being able to have it
2) don't understand how it works or aren't smart enough to realize that it's an LCD version (simplified explanation of course) of a paper ballistic chart
I will agree that new shooters need to be able to understand how ballistics calculation works and the math behind it (simple highschool trigonometry) before relying on any tech. The BORS is just a faster way to get your dope once you've dealt with the required figures on your load.
Sounds like the opinion from those who have used it is that the BORS is another tool at the shooter's disposal, nothing more. It amazes me when people knock this obviously useful technology - probably comes from either:
1) they can't afford the device and then knock it to rationalize not being able to have it
2) don't understand how it works or aren't smart enough to realize that it's an LCD version (simplified explanation of course) of a paper ballistic chart
I will agree that new shooters need to be able to understand how ballistics calculation works and the math behind it (simple highschool trigonometry) before relying on any tech. The BORS is just a faster way to get your dope once you've dealt with the required figures on your load.
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