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Didn't watch the video, but do you really not know who Ben Stoeger is?So, the 2 main questions I have are, who the fuck is this discount Willie Wonka stunt double, and why should we give a damn what he thinks about anything? Judging by his target, he needs to be practicing more, and talking into a camera less...
Also, I found it hilarious, and [not so] surprising that he admits he likes the complementary reach-arounds he got from BCM better. Well gee, I wonder why he would say such a thing... But I find it comforting that he assures us it's absolutely not because he's admittedly already bias towards Aero, and because the BCM uppers were free or anything. Sure thing guy...Whatever you say. His fake attempt at transparency was more transparent than the wanted it to be.
Nope, never heard of him. I try not to watch guntubers, 99% of them have turned into big-name shills with 5 minutes of demonstration and 15 minutes of talking about their sponsors.Didn't watch the video, but do you really not know who Ben Stoeger is?
So, the 2 main questions I have are, who the fuck is this discount Willie Wonka stunt double, and why should we give a damn what he thinks about anything?
Nope, never heard of him. I try not to watch guntubers, 99% of them have turned into big-name shills with 5 minutes of demonstration and 15 minutes of talking about their sponsors.
Maybe if we get enough homeless people to chip-in we could get him a new Bear Creek Arsenal barrel for it...So put a White Oak barrel in it and stop Whining.
A pistol guy talking rifles…you probably do t need to give a damn.
This all makes sense now. That's why I've never heard of him. Couldn't care less about pistol comps.He’s a very very accomplished action pistol competitor.
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My guess is he’s dabbling in 2 or 3 gun as well.
Barrels getting worn out in 5K rounds at his likely firing schedule should be no surprise. Then again he’s a pistol guy so it probably doesn’t occur to him.
She probably told him they should both see other men...I think him and old tits McGee are divorced now.
So she’s open for business.
Being a shit-stirring troll doesn’t make you wrong.Anyway, Ben Stoeger likes to stir up trouble but, reading between the lines, he always provides the facts.
That would be roughly 10 days of normal CQM training at 500rds/day. You could easily burn 5k in 2-3 courses.5k rounds of training usage is probably about right
Ben Stoeger has been shooting high volume for the last 2 decades, including 3-Gun. I think what he’s pointing out is that unlike other carbines he has that will eat 20k rounds and not flinch, this one started key-holing at 5k.5k rounds for someone like him is nothing lol.
He’s probably just not realizing AR barrels don’t last like 100k pistol barrels.
This ^^.Ben Stoeger has been shooting high volume for the last 2 decades, including 3-Gun. I think what he’s pointing out is that unlike other carbines he has that will eat 20k rounds and not flinch, this one started key-holing at 5k.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he put 80,000 rounds a year through AR-15s.
As far as I could tell, his only comment was that the barrel wore out quicker than he thought it should which was 5k rounds
I still laugh when I remember hearing a precision rifle competitor call USPSA competitors “Seven Yard Heroes.”
-Stan
I agree, but “Seven Yard Hero” still makes me laugh.I'll bet dollars to donuts that if you put Ben Stoeger behind a precision rifle he will be way way more capable than you think right off the bat, and would probably be crushing in PRS and NRL in very short order if he decided to train for it. He might be an ass at times, but the dude can make bullets go where he wants them too; his basic fundamentals are fucking locked on.
True, I believe he said it took about 20,000 rounds to break the two of them but wasn't very clear beyond that. In one of the earlier videos he mentions the barrel that was keyholing and said it had 5-10,000 rounds on it. That later got revised to 5,000 rounds apparently but he also previously stated that he doesn't keep good round counts so I'm not sure which to believe. After I watched a few of his videos I generally found his statements to be vague other than he says some stuff broke and Aero is garbage just to ruffle feathers.He broke two bolts previously too.
He's seems like the anti-gear guy, he has and uses a lot of shit but doesn't know much about it.
This is what I gathered just from this 1 video.He's seems like the anti-gear guy, he has and uses a lot of shit but doesn't know much about it.
I don’t know Stoeger. Never took a class from him. Never shot with him. That said, I’d put down real money that he could walk circles around everyone in this thread, in the disciplines that he shoots.
Stoeger doesn’t strike me as the typical gear queer we see on SH. A gun is a tool. And, he’ll beat you with a race gun, or a stock gun. Without watching the vid, I’d wager all he’s saying is that the aero isn’t the right/best tool for this job, when others (BCM?) are available.
This whole thread kind of reminds me of when I was a kid and had some friends that were in to baseball and baseball cards. One of them was trying to make a trade. The interaction went sort of like this…
“Hey, I’ll trade you this card for that card”
“That’s a _____ card. He sucks.”
I’m minding my own business thinking “Bitch, he’s on a baseball card. Your ass can’t make it around the bases without two rest stops and a pinch runner.”
I gotta agree with this comment...the idea that because hes only a competitive pistol shooter, must mean he's some kind of amateur in other disciplines? Thats hilarious.
Fundamentals are fundamentals. Anyone capable of competing at his level, is likely to be above-average to begin with, in another discipline.
Depends on the individual, sure I'll agree with that. We're not speaking in generalities here though. The individual discussed is one who's already a competitive and top ranked shooter. I'd bet a lot of money on the fact that if he's shot out a barrel, its beyond discussing that he's willing to get into the "nuances" of a rifle. The training available to him (and the resources) open up doors that likely make typical training plateaus and roadblocks a non-issue. His learning curve is going to be shorter than any random guy you'd pull out of a range.Depends on the individual and their willingness to get into the nuances of the discipline. Some can not make the transfer of skills/fundamentals too...it isn't a given.
A good carpenter should never complain about his tools being dull.
no lol, actually it's a perfect comment for thisThats an odd perspective to have from someone participating in a discussed on here called "Best AR manufactures"
Its odd to me, because that statement either makes him a hypocrite, or by his own admittance, a poor "carpenter".no lol, actually it's a perfect comment for this
Eh.....some skills are transferable....others not.
There's a difference between being a good shooter and a competitive shooter.
I bet if I hand him a .22 rifle, he's a pretty decent shot with it....but put him in a NRA supported prone smallbore match, ide be surprised if he ranked in the top 50%....the fundaments are the same...the technique is not.
Also being good at shooting doesn't mean you are knowledgeable about guns.
Lewis hamilton Is a great driver...but I bet he doesn't know shit about cars outside the basics.
A good carpenter should never complain about his tools being dull.
You jumped from not knowing anything other than “the basics” to rebuilding an engine? That’s quite a leap in moving the goal post for what already was a pretty weak argument in the first place.....yes....that's the point....
Being a great shooting in 1 discipline and having great fundamentals doesn't make you a great shooter in another discipline....even though they have the same fundamentals....
I bet he's also not above average in PRS or Sporting clays either....even though the fundamentals are all the same.
I bet you $100 Lewis hamilton cant do an engine rebuild....that is what i was talking about.
He knows how to drive the piss out of cars.....he doesn't necessarily know the technical details about how to build one
I think you’re missing the point that someone who has the fundamentals, discipline, knowledge, and funds to become one of the best in the world at a shooting sport would have a much shorter path to competence at another than the average joe.Being a great shooting in 1 discipline and having great fundamentals doesn't make you a great shooter in another discipline....even though they have the same fundamentals....
I bet he's also not above average in PRS or Sporting clays either....even though the fundamentals are all the same.
I dont see this as a fight, I just dont think you're approaching this from an unbiased perspective. Every single person here, who is acting like Stoeger is some knuckle dragging simpleton when it comes to rifles, could have easily posted that feedback on his youtube video, directly to him.Dude I'm not trying to fight with you....I clarified what I meant based on how it was perceived.
Im not trying to catch anyone in a gotcha or "shift the goal post"
If you can't accept that feel free to start a thread in the pit