and with any bullet period,it may or may not work.]
Fixed it for ya. Match bullets work just fine, as proved by many here and elsewhere. Just as many hunting bullets fail as match, I'd bet its more often than not, shooter error, not the bullet. This has been discussed at length here, and proven by people who kill more game animals than most ever see. Discussed to the point it seems a foolish discussion to have.
I thought the argument against hunting with match bullets was that they don't expand but rather pencil through...?
EXACTLY! one day they blow up on impact, the next they are penciling through.
Holy shit! look at all this:
I am not sidetracking the thread, rather trying to understand it. I do not see the point of hunting with a bullet that was designed specifically for killing paper, not animals. If you think you have to work up a new load for a hunting round you are mistaken. That simple statement shows me you really don't have a clue what you are talking about. Most kills are within 200 yards, you do not need to do a new workup for a bullet of the same weight and similar BC simply because it has a different design for shots withing a few hundred yards.
Lotta bologna there, match bullets are designed to fly, and cheat the wind, for the EXPLICIT purpose of HITTING WHAT YOU ARE AIMING AT! You are so good at discussing proven facts, how about this one; Shot placement wins, every time. Number one component to a kill is shot placement, followed by bullet weight, construction, caliber, velocity, etc. but not necessarily in that order. Hitting an animal in the right spot is probably 80-90% of killing it. So whether its a match bullet or not is not nearly as important. You are right however in that there is no need to make up another load. Most guys here shoot Tactical style rifles, and their tried and trued MATCH ammunition will work just fine for hunting, especially since they are used to it, and how it performs, and they are exponentially more likely to hit their intended POA with a gun and ammo they shoot thousands of rounds through, VS. shooting a new/recently worked up load. Not to mention the added cost of load workup, and the usual premium paid for such whimsical bullets. Whats more, some of us hunt where 200 yards is a joke, and the average shot can be up to 8-900 yards. So instead of playing with something new/different, I'll just shoot the same bullet I always do, and do it well.
1.There are more reasons for not hunting with match bullets and one of them is their reliability to kill an animal. 2.One inch higher the OP may not have had these results. He could have simply wounded the animal.
1. Bullshit. I've used nothing but match bullets for the last ten or so years of hunting, I can assure you, any failures were mine, not the equipment. And there are countless others who kill thousands more animals than me with em too.
2. This statement would be true with any bullet (remember the whole thing about shot placement, it wins, every time.)
The whole point of a bullet that retains its mass is so it delivers 100% of its energy to the kill, not blast half the energy out the other side of the animal and take half the meat with it. It is a proven fact that bullets that retain more of their mass are more effective at killing and bullets that frag are more efficient at wounding.
Tell me professor, if a bullet has transferred ALL of its energy into the kill, with what energy is it still traveling beyond the kill? I'll help, a bullet that goes through an animal doesn't transfer all its energy silly, thats why they taught us in hunter's safety to look beyond your target. Because the bullet can go through, and still kill something, with all that........wait for it..........left over energy. A bullet that stops inside an animal is the one that transfers ALL its energy. Whether it fragments or not is another discussion.
With all the premier hunting bullets on the market it is ignorant to hunt with match bullets. Millions have been spent by companies to develop the best hunting bullets by all the bullet makers over they years yet a handful of rednecks decide they need to re-think the wheel and go shoot some animals to prove all that R&D wrong.
And even with all that technology and millions spent on R&D, all us rednecks continue to easily and humanely kill thousands of animals every year. Sounds ignorant doesn't it?
If match bullets were so good for hunting don't you think the bullet makers would say hey, these bullets are great for hunting and save themselves the money developing bullets that deliver the maximum amount of energy to the kill?
They couldn't sell you premium bullets if they did that. Just like extended warranties, they are products, made to be sold. Every company is in the market of making the newest wiz bang thing that will solve all your problems. That doesn't mean it is the only product that will do the job.
I don't care if you killed one more deer than I have or 50, when you do shit like this it makes hunters look bad. The OP makes himself look like someone who is simply killing deer to see how badly he can blow up an animal without trying to make a kill as humane as possible.
This doesn't look any worse than the thousands of deer that are killed inhumanely by cars, or shot poorly by some Nosler fan boy who cant hit the barn from inside it. Shit happens, sometimes it isn't pretty. But we are talking about killing something, show me a pretty death.......
There is a right tool for every job and hunting with match bullets is not the right tool for the job.
You sound like the right tool for selling premium bullets. But I smile every time I watch an animal drop like a sack of shit when my match bullets drive through their vitals. Just dropped a coyote the other day, 500 yards on the nose, with a 175 SMK from my 16" .308. He didn't make a step before he hit the cold ground. Shot placement, it wins every time. These hips dont lie.
