Best AR Pistol Brace
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I have the SBA-3 and SBA-4. The 3 I’d favor for a gun that you never plan on using a bipod/bag/etc as the brace doesn’t really play well with rear bags. Its kinda like a braced BCM Mod 0 stock.
The 4 has a large enough footprint that a bag can be used effectively and I consider it the braced version of a CTR, BCM Mod 1, or similar stock.
Kinda depends on what you’re looking for.
The 4 has a large enough footprint that a bag can be used effectively and I consider it the braced version of a CTR, BCM Mod 1, or similar stock.
Kinda depends on what you’re looking for.
I've got the Shockwave, SBA3 and the Tailhook Mod 2. The Tailhook is most stock like, I've got it on a shorty Grendel that does long range stuff and I'm not losing much to a real stock. The SBA3 is decent but the strap flex is noticeable if you get really aggressive on it. The Shockwave sucks balls.
I mean that the new ATF rules that are slated to go into effect in July will make it almost impossible to legally put a brace on an AR.
You are asking on an open forum, known to be monitored by all the 3-letter agencies, about the best brace to use as a shoulder stock. The best stock is a real stock, and the best pistol AR is a SBR. SBR that bitch and be done with it.
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ATF about to reinterpret regulations regarding braces implementing some bullshit points system that if your firearm doesn't meet the arbitrary guidelines (some of which includes stuff like LOP, I think no pistol grips, weight) then the brace would be illegal.
I thought it was accepted that pistols could be shouldered for firing.
So if they make a new rule, braces which are similar to stocks will be illegal to put on a pistol?
Equipping an AR pistol with a brace with the intent of circumventing the NFA has always been against the rules. “Incidental shouldering” was ruled okay, so long as the intent was not to circumvent the NFA. Wink wink.
New rules make it harder to circumvent the NFA without circumventing the NFA.
I had the SBA 3. Worked decent. I since then have made my braced pistols SBR’s. So now I don’t even pay attention to current “you can” or “you can’t” status from atf
If you can SBR it took me 24 days to have my last one approved a few months ago
Efile form 1
You can do it in about 30 minutes online. Then get prints done
Some states you can’t SBR so there’s that as well
I’m built like an orangutan so the braces weren’t comfortable to begin with. Wether you could accidentally touch your shoulder or not. Just speaking from comfort point of view the sbr and additions of a actual stock has made my once pistols much more comfortable and enjoyable to shoot. They went from a handy shtf type setup to guns I enjoy shooting the most in my AR/scorpion platforms.
And comfort aside it’s nice not to worry if some jackass will record you or some power hungry range officer will turn you in if the atf goes back to the no contact to the shoulder side of things
If you can SBR it took me 24 days to have my last one approved a few months ago
Efile form 1
You can do it in about 30 minutes online. Then get prints done
Some states you can’t SBR so there’s that as well
I’m built like an orangutan so the braces weren’t comfortable to begin with. Wether you could accidentally touch your shoulder or not. Just speaking from comfort point of view the sbr and additions of a actual stock has made my once pistols much more comfortable and enjoyable to shoot. They went from a handy shtf type setup to guns I enjoy shooting the most in my AR/scorpion platforms.
And comfort aside it’s nice not to worry if some jackass will record you or some power hungry range officer will turn you in if the atf goes back to the no contact to the shoulder side of things
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That's the point. Cast a wide net by making a tangled mess of nebulous and contradictory rules so that when the time comes that they decide to kick your door in you're a felon by default whether you knew it or not.
So if a killer wants to turn their pistol into a SBR illegally, they can attach a rifle stock to it in a couple minutes.
How is this preventing anything from happening???
If somebody is going nuclear, they probably don't care about another charge being brought against them.
I have full faith in the system.
So it's a $200 tax stamp and about a month wait for a lower to get registered as a SBR? That's not too bad.
So if I buy a Noveske Light Shorty, I can do the above and then put any rifle stock on it?
Is there any difference in the process if you decide to buy it as a SBR from the factory?
Thanks!
If you look into the history of the NFA, it is something of an ‘accident’ that SBRs and SBSs are included.
The NFA isn’t about preventing crime- at least as it pertains so SBRs, SBSs, and suppressors. It’s about taxation.
Broader strokes… Laws do not prevent crime. They define prohibited acts and prescribe punishments.
If you have been following the suppressor/ solvent trap form 1 saga, you will know that the ATF has recently said that essentially all Form 1 suppressors (anything built using a ‘kit’ or preformed parts of any kind) are contraband- because they were not registered as suppressors when the parts were manufactured and transferred on a form 4. You see, they are saying that the form 1s were improperly approved, because the maker is the parts manufacturer. Because a form 1 is for a home-made NFA items (and the parts themselves constitute a suppressor) the possessor of an approved form1 is in illegal possession of an unregistered (improperly registered) suppressor.
All of the above is to suggest that the ATF may have tipped their hand as to their intent for AR and other rifles barrel weapons equipped with stabilizing braces. The old “we goofed and you are in possession of an illegal SBR (registered or not) because it was sold as a ‘pistol’ and we are now calling it a SBR that should have transferred on a form 4” gag. They really are a funny bunch.
All of the above is to suggest that the ATF may have tipped their hand as to their intent for AR and other rifles barrel weapons equipped with stabilizing braces. The old “we goofed and you are in possession of an illegal SBR (registered or not) because it was sold as a ‘pistol’ and we are now calling it a SBR that should have transferred on a form 4” gag. They really are a funny bunch.
Glad I never did a make your own can. What a headache.If you have been following the suppressor/ solvent trap form 1 saga, you will know that the ATF has recently said that essentially all Form 1 suppressors (anything built using a ‘kit’ or preformed parts of any kind) are contraband- because they were not registered as suppressors when the parts were manufactured and transferred on a form 4. You see, they are saying that the form 1s were improperly approved, because the maker is the parts manufacturer. Because a form 1 is for a home-made NFA items (and the parts themselves constitute a suppressor) the possessor of an approved form1 is in illegal possession of an unregistered (improperly registered) suppressor.
All of the above is to suggest that the ATF may have tipped their hand as to their intent for AR and other rifles barrel weapons equipped with stabilizing braces. The old “we goofed and you are in possession of an illegal SBR (registered or not) because it was sold as a ‘pistol’ and we are now calling it a SBR that should have transferred on a form 4” gag. They really are a funny bunch.
They openly stated during the multiple Congressional NFA hearings that their intent was to treat everyone as a criminal, and tax them for the right to exercise their inalienable rights as a legal loophole around the Second Amendment. This was openly recognized and contrived shamelessly.
I printed the proceedings out and spent a stupid amount of time trying to find why they had issue with silencers. Not only did they never even discuss silencers, but the original draft by former DNC Chair an FDR campaigner, AG Homer Stille Cummings, never even had any mention of rifles in it.
Rifles were added after a Congressman insisted on it to protect deer hunters back home, even though AG Cummings didn’t even want to bring up rifles because he though messing with rifles would kill the legislation.
They really wanted pistols, shorter than 16” barrel shotguns, and SMGs taxed under NFA. NRA President and Olympic Gold Medalist, Karl Fredrick, came to testify against the effective banning of pistols because he liked to collect them, and some people thought they were good for personal protection.
Interestingly, AG Cummings didn’t care about bulky, long, belt-fed machine-guns because gangsters couldn’t easily conceal or transport those. But he also said the legislation isn’t for gangsters, but little boys whose parents might buy him a pistol, which would turn him into a criminal.
You have to remember these retards were corrupt politicians with drunken minds after Prohibition (which they were exempt from), and AG Cummings was looking at losing a large part of the former Bureau of Alcohol agents in the middle of the Depression.
As you read through their stupid comments and unfamiliarity with firearms or anything technical in nature, you see through how indefensible the legislation is from multiple Constitutional standards.
I don’t shoulder stocks anyway on my rifles, as it prevents me from bringing the rifle to my head, so it has never been a problem when I use brace-equipped pistols. The best one just came out, and immediately sold out. It’s new and way cool.
With SBR you have to notify the ATF if you are going to take it across state lines. I'm not sure but I think the ATF can also come knocking to "check" on your SBR.
Many states allow a pistol AR to be in car with you just like it's a Glock, while an SBR is a rifle and must be cased.
In Michigan SBR can be carried like a pistol under your ccw
ATF is more likely to come check on your “pistol” a few months from now then the SBR
There are many NFA registered items out there. Most people have several and never have had an issue with ATF
So far....still doesn't mean I want to willingly give the .gov anymore control then I absolutely have to.
And the ATF is guaranteed to know where every SBR is....not so much for pistols.
Agreed
Most of us who have SBR’s also already have cans and what not as well in the system
Under the current pistol vs SBR status it makes sense to go the pistol route. It just gets tiring trying to keep up with the current rulings surrounding braces
Some states you can’t sbr so they don’t have much of a choice I suppose
