Rifle Scopes Best option for scope, shvf1 tx5i

[Mbrianm]

I am looking at two scopes nightforce shv f1 4-14 mill 1250.00 or Steiner t5xi 5-25 ffp scr mil 1649.00. the rifle is a AR 6.5 Grendel 20" faxon barrel . I have access too 1000 yds range but mostly a 300 . Steiner said all of the issue have been worked out in their turrets and tracking . And nightforce I have not heard any issue with anything the have on the market. This is my first time buying a optic of price and I want to know it will do what I want when I want it also maybe transfered to a longer range rifle buy the end of the year also . So guys what is the best bang for the buck . Thanks

 

[kansas]

I can’t say for the Steiner but I’ve had the SHV F1 and it’s a very good scope. Decent glass and tracking was good. The only down side for me was 5 mil turrets instead of 10 mil.

 

[longshot2000]

Those are good optics, but in slightly different leagues. First, the good news is that NF and Steiner do not make a bad scope. The SHV is a slimmed-down NXS, but still has many of the great optics. The Steiner T5Xi is a hardened tactical scope, with the same glass as the M-Series. The Steiner M-Series is a World Class scope used by German and American military, and on a par with Schmidt & Bender and other high-end scopes. The T-Series, is, in my opinion, on the same level as the NXS, and is used by police tactical units.

I happen to have several NF scopes, including the same one you are looking at, and also the same Steiner you are looking at. All things being equal, I would go with the Steiner. Yes, they did have problems with their turrets, but that has long been cured. My personal sense in using both is that they are fine scopes. The Steiner is more hardy, but if you are only shooting paper, either will work fine. You also need to look at each reticle and see if you feel equally comfortable, or you like one over the other, as both will do fine at 300 to 1,000 yrd targets.

From a price standpoint, it looks like the NF has an edge. Do keep in-mind that Steiner currently has a 10% rebate.

Also [ warning: press the commercial blocking MUTE button ], I am a dealer for both NF and Steiner. If I can help, send me a PM.

 

[Mbrianm]

Those are good optics, but in slightly different leagues. First, the good news is that NF and Steiner do not make a bad scope. The SHV is a slimmed-down NXS, but still has many of the great optics. The Steiner T5Xi is a hardened tactical scope, with the same glass as the M-Series. The Steiner M-Series is a World Class scope used by German and American military, and on a par with Schmidt & Bender and other high-end scopes. The T-Series, is, in my opinion, on the same level as the NXS, and is used by police tactical units.

I happen to have several NF scopes, including the same one you are looking at, and also the same Steiner you are looking at. All things being equal, I would go with the Steiner. Yes, they did have problems with their turrets, but that has long been cured. My personal sense in using both is that they are fine scopes. The Steiner is more hardy, but if you are only shooting paper, either will work fine. You also need to look at each reticle and see if you feel equally comfortable, or you like one over the other, as both will do fine at 300 to 1,000 yrd targets.

From a price standpoint, it looks like the NF has an edge. Do keep in-mind that Steiner currently has a 10% rebate.

Also [ warning: press the commercial blocking MUTE button ], I am a dealer for both NF and Steiner. If I can help, send me a PM.

It may take another two weeks or so to save up for the Steiner, the one place carries the Steiner for 1649.00 always . Most carry it for what I have seen 2000.00 and up not sure if that 1649 is beatable lol you said something about you are a dealer I will pm later thanks

 

[gr8fuldoug]

Just got off the phone with my Steiner rep and we have a demo of the #8704 Steiner M5Xi Military 5-25x56 - Horus H59 coming in at $2399.99. This is a great option.

 

[Glassaholic]

Just got off the phone with my Steiner rep and we have a demo of the #8704 Steiner M5Xi Military 5-25x56 - Horus H59 coming in at $2399.99. This is a great option.

That is an insane price for the Steiner M 5-25 Doug! If someone likes Horus rets you be hard pressed to find a better scope at this price.

 

[Glassaholic]

I am looking at two scopes nightforce shv f1 4-14 mill 1250.00 or Steiner t5xi 5-25 ffp scr mil 1649.00. the rifle is a AR 6.5 Grendel 20" faxon barrel . I have access too 1000 yds range but mostly a 300 . Steiner said all of the issue have been worked out in their turrets and tracking . And nightforce I have not heard any issue with anything the have on the market. This is my first time buying a optic of price and I want to know it will do what I want when I want it also maybe transfered to a longer range rifle buy the end of the year also . So guys what is the best bang for the buck . Thanks

OP- you present an odd question, should I get a 4-14 scope or a 5-25???? Those are two very different magnification ranges. I would have expected you to say should I get the T5Xi 3-15 and not the 5-25. I've had both the T5Xi 5-25 and the 3-15 and both suffered horribly with major CA that even with the "fixed" issues would cause me to shy away unless I could get a killer deal on one.

For your AR grendel would you consider the new Leupold Mark 5 3.6-18x44? Reviews are just starting to come in and its beginning to sound like a solid scope. Price is right (for non illuminated) and the magnification range would be more ideal for what you're wanting. Plus another great advantage is the light weight, I can also recommend the Bushnell ET LRTS 4.5-18x44, another great scope with amazing optics, both of which offer a better magnification range than the NF...

 

[Vinvan406]

I own the T5xi 3-15 and I can say it has done me well. Paid about what you are going to but only for the15x. I think the biggest thing that turned me off about the nightforce is the 5Mils/turn, smaller main tube, same weight and less adjustment range. The 56mm lens and 34mm tube bring in tons of light. The NF is Still a great scope especially knowing who it comes from it’s going to be solid for a long time. Have a friend who has one on a sheep gun and he loves it. But it Depends on what you want to spend and what you want to do with your rifle. That amount of magnification on the NF is plenty for that caliber, and would be a good mix for a hunting rig or something like that. 14x will get you plenty far.
One the other hand if you have the ability to get something like T5Xi 5-25x you have the ability to put that scope on other rifles too and utilize that magnification and more adjustment range on a larger caliber or a different purpose built rifle. That and the difference from 1250-1650 is a lot smaller than getting the NF and then having to go ahead and start at 0 and go to 1650 later in the future when you want that thing anyways

 

[Hunt]

I have the NF SHV F1 and a Burris XTR II. The SHV F1 is very critical of eye relief (i.e. short eye relief). Consider this when purchasing. For the money, I think the Burris XTRII is a better value than the SHV F1. YMMV.

I also have an NXS and it is a better scope than the SHV. I regret purchasing the SHV as there are better options out there.

 

[TacticalPlinker]

Have you considered the Steiner offered by Eurooptic....?
I'm waiting to hear any feedback on this myself. Looks good..

 

[supercorndogs]

The T series and M series sure don't look like they have the same glass in them.....

 

[gr8fuldoug]

The T series and M series sure don't look like they have the same glass in them.....

As I posted in the Steiner t5xi 5.5-25 vs Steiner m5xi 5-26??? thread the a while back I started a new thread showing the similarities and differences in these 2 series of scopes. Here is the detail that I posted:

Here are specifics:

• OPTICAL DESIGN: The M-Series and T-Series the utilize the same optical design and construction
• GLASS: The physical glass is identical between the two lines
• COATINGS: The M-Series and T-Series glass-to-air coatings are consistent - the difference being the process by which the coatings are applied is more involved on the M5Xi (the process and coatings technology is proprietary to Steiner Optics). The process difference gives the M5Xi an optical advantage, even though the glass is the same. The T5Xi lens coatings are applied in a manner that provides best optical quality at a more accessible price point.
• TURRETS: The M5Xi has DuoScale turrets which have been approved for military use, and place this product line at the top of the Steiner riflescope hierarchy. The T5Xi low-profile Never-Lost turrets provide up to a 3.5oz weight reduction as compared to the M5Xi
• T5Xi DURABILITY: The T-Series is built and tested to the same performance and durability standards as the M-Series.

Obviously, specific technical details cannot be discussed as no mfg would reveal their process. I hope this helps clear up some questions

 

[supercorndogs]

As I posted in the Steiner t5xi 5.5-25 vs Steiner m5xi 5-26??? thread the a while back I started a new thread showing the similarities and differences in these 2 series of scopes. Here is the detail that I posted:

Here are specifics:

• OPTICAL DESIGN: The M-Series and T-Series the utilize the same optical design and construction
• GLASS: The physical glass is identical between the two lines
• COATINGS: The M-Series and T-Series glass-to-air coatings are consistent - the difference being the process by which the coatings are applied is more involved on the M5Xi (the process and coatings technology is proprietary to Steiner Optics). The process difference gives the M5Xi an optical advantage, even though the glass is the same. The T5Xi lens coatings are applied in a manner that provides best optical quality at a more accessible price point.
• TURRETS: The M5Xi has DuoScale turrets which have been approved for military use, and place this product line at the top of the Steiner riflescope hierarchy. The T5Xi low-profile Never-Lost turrets provide up to a 3.5oz weight reduction as compared to the M5Xi
• T5Xi DURABILITY: The T-Series is built and tested to the same performance and durability standards as the M-Series.

Obviously, specific technical details cannot be discussed as no mfg would reveal their process. I hope this helps clear up some questions

So the glass is the same, but the "glass" is not the same. I think 99% of the time when someone said glass, they mean optical quality. Saying they both have the same glass, while technically correct, is undoubtedly going to lead people to think they will both have the same optical quality, which is not the case. In my experience there is a pretty noticeable difference between the two in favor of the M.

 

[gr8fuldoug]

You are correct. The M series has superior coating process resulting in a high grade optical viewing experience

 

[BlackFenix]

This is something else to think about... B&H Photo - Steiner T5xi for $1500 plus $50 gift card

I also have another B & H Photo gift card that I am selling at a reduced price - http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...ade-for-arc-m10-or-cash.6871515/#post-6918106

Then Steiner is giving some money back on a rebate. Can't really go wrong with all that!

 

[Watchale]

Anyone running ARC m10s on their Steiner 5-25x56. Need to know what size to buy.

 

[Glassaholic]

You are correct. The M series has superior coating process resulting in a high grade optical viewing experience

I think what supercorn is saying is that coatings alone cannot account for the difference in optical quality between the two scopes. It could be that the M series are better aligned where the T series is a bit more sloppy resulting in inferior CA control and resolution. With the scopes I had (T5Xi 5-25x56, 3-15x50 and XTRII 4-20x50) the Burris XTR II actually controlled CA better than the more expensive T5Xi, I have no experience with the M series so cannot say either way.

 

[Mbrianm]

Thanks for the info guys still a few weeks out from a scope purchase and everyone has good points to look out for . With my schedule I only have time to check on this post from time to time . And I appreciate everyone's input.