Blackhole weaponry .308 barrells

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I have one of the .308 24" with the 3 groove standard profile. It looks great unfortunately I haven't had a chance to build it into a upper yet, I have a SI Defense A3 upper but I'm still waiting for a Troy MRB 13.8 hand guard I ordered in August......still waiting, still waiting. Hopefully I'll get it together in a week or so.

As soon as I get it together I'll report. If it shoots(spoke to the owner has been getting reports of 1/2 MOA performance) I plan to put a 16" on a SI upper for my suppressed stick
 
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My 18 inch has kicked ass and taken name out past 950. I'm still getting it broken in but I'm more than happy.

As a side note, I haven't gotten to try my .223 yet but I expect good things if the .308 is any indication. And I look forward to using some of his other barrels.
 
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I use these barrels a lot now and they are top notch. I switched from Lothar Walther to them and I can tell you my 6x45/6.5 grendel/.223/ 260 and 243 barrels shoot just as good if not better than the LW ones. Carl is a wonderful guy and easy to deal with.
 
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i have a 16" .223 and it shoots as wall as my 20 walther the 20" does group a little better at further distances but out to 200 yards they are equal
 
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ok i have one, i havent been able to shoot it yet. this may help you out, i hope it does. send them the bolt or BCG. i asked if they needed it, they said no. they shipped my barrel and the bolt would not rotate in the extension and the BCG would not go into battery. so i called them up and they said no prob, ship it and we will fix it. shipping and insurance was about $20. days later they called back and said ship the rest of the upper and we will put it together for you... ok, another $20 postage and away it goes. i had also sent 5-8 pictures of a thread protector that guys here have, the blended ones that look like a target crown. after a few tries they didnt get it right and i am still waiting on my refund for that. been a while since i spoke with the owner. he said it wasnt possible on my barrel as it was too thin, not enough meat. i thanked him and accepted his offer of a refund two weeks ago on the 11th. no one told shipping so it didnt get mailed out til the 15th. when i got it, there was no refund check. so, other than these issues, im hoping its a great barrel. but i did get waht i wanted. 18" rifle gas port and 3 groove poly rifled.

just an update. i was promised a refund for a thread protector on 10/11 by the owner of the company. its 11/1 and nothing yet. i email once a week, all unanswered so tomorrow i guess ill call and ask for my money.

check is in the mail 11/03
 
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here is a little update. black hole did the assembly on my snipers hide JD upper. they installed the barrel and badger fore arm. well i am sending my JD set back for a refund. i had issues that were not able to be resolved. as i am taking my rifle apart, i back out the screws in the tube. they use two long and two short per side. they put the long screws in the wrong holes on both sides causing the screws to deform the threads on the barrel nut. its 4am and i just started to get everything stripped to ship back to JD. now i dont think i can get the barrel nut to back out of the mounting block.


i almost sent in a little note to tell them not to put the wrong screws in the wrong holes. but i just figured they knew what they were doing. ill be calling the owner in a few hours to seek a remedy.
 
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yea verily. second time they had it apart and the first time was right. if i can find someone with a mill and a small bit that will fit in the screw hole and remove the mashed threads, i think i can back it out. plus it looks like they drilled a small hole in the barrel retaining nut to get a spanner on it. like the wrench that tightens a locking ring on a carbine stock. thats not how it came from badger when i bought it new. i dont expect him to do anything about it. its been a series of mistakes and miscommunications from the start. they had put this together twice, getting it right the first time, or there would be no way to take it apart the second time they built it on my JD upper.
 
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This is the owner of Blackhole Weaponry. I apolgize for this being my first post having to be in response to the Axe man postings. I have spoken many times with this gentleman and provided services at no cost to him. He has painted a very negative picture, which is not true. Nor is his represenation of events and work performed accurate.

Let us waste no more time on his ramblings.
BHW





 
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facts are facts. first the barrel would not allow the bolt to rotate in the extension. before i ordered the barrel i asked if you needed the bolt. i was told no. when i got the barrel, the bolt would not rotate. i had to send it back at my expense. cost $25. after the barrel and bolt arrived, your company contacted me and made the offer to assemble the upper. nice offer, but again, i had to spend another $25 in shipping. had i been told at the initial contact, i could have mailed both at once. before that got to you i called and asked if i could send a different upper for assembly. your company said yes they would hold everything til the JD upper got there. 4 days later, fed ex drops off the upper assembled on my dpms upper. that was after your company agreed to wait for the JD upper to arrive. you graciously agreed to reassemble on the JD upper. again $25 in shipping. now that i have to disassemble the upper to return to JD machine. i find that you carl, put the wrong screws in the wrong holes of the barrel block and destroyed the threads in the barrel nut. i now have to have a local machinist mill the threads away and pay that fee to correct your mistake. none of this is untrue, or rambling. just facts. your companies comment was "well shipping costs us too" but it wasnt my errors that caused the need for me to ship to you. oh and we spoke twice. once when you told me about the thread protector and when i called thursday about the mashed threads. thats twice. to gayle, ive spoken many times.
 
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I have had some bad experience with this company. I had a barrel extension failure where it went kaboom. The company made promises but did not keep them. I know I'm new here but have first hand knowledge about the intergrity of this company.
 
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just to be clear. its not my intent to bash BHW. i was very frustrated at 4:30am when i found that the badger was installed incorrectly. i also found this.

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you can see the mashed threads in the top right hole. its the same on the opposite side. this prevents the nut from backing out of the block. i also discovered a hole drilled in the nut. my guess is for a spanner wrench to tighten it. badger has a website with instructions and nowhere does it say to drill a hole in their products.

http://badgerordnance.com/wp-content/plu...20handguard.pdf


and to be completely fair. my barrel is exactly what i wanted. 18" poly rifled with 3 grooves, rifle length gas port location. threaded 5/8-24" and its stainless steel with a black finish. my issues are with the communication at the shop, the extra expense i paid in shipping to correct their mistakes and the damages to the product that i sent in and the extra expense to correct those mistakes i am still to incur. gail was very nice to speak with. carl explained why they could not make the thread protector in the way i wanted it and offered a refund on that item. i was thankful for the offer of assembly which they made unsolicited. i would have been happy had they just paid shipping that first time. or second. or third.
 
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I was just assembling my upper with a Black Hole Weaponry 6x45 18" barrel when I took a break to come on here to check on load request I had posted and found this thread.

Before I settled on BHW, I did a lot of research on several different barrel makers, talked to their owners, Talked to people that owned their products to determine quality, fit and finish, accuracy, and if they were happy with their customer service.

Every person that I talked to that owned a BHW barrel was thrilled with it, and some owned two or three, all where thrilled with the personal experience that they had dealing with Carl, and they stated that he would go out of his way to satisfy his customers.

Sounds like he went above and beyond to make the problem right, I do not know anyone that would assemble two different uppers, three different times, for free(if I counted correctly) to keep you as a customer, because of a bad fitting barrel extension. This all reinforces my decision to get a BHW barrel.

That all being said, I bet if you talk to Carl he will do what he can to make it right.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcpd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have had some bad experience with this company. I had a barrel extension failure where it went kaboom. The company made promises but did not keep them. I know I'm new here but have first hand knowledge about the intergrity of this company. </div></div>

If you are the guy this happened to,Word I got as of this morning is that it went in for Independant testing in Portland,OR and the Ammo was found to be at fault and you were given a brand new rifle out of the deal as a courtesy.
 
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ya see... here is the thing. im sure there have been plenty of good experiences with the company. mine just wasnt one of them. had they done the job right from the start by letting me send the bolt in like i asked them, these postings by me would never have occured. period. had they told me to send the whole upper at the time i sent the barrel and bolt back to be fixed, i would not have paid shipping twice. had they done what they said after we talked and agreed and not built the upper with the DPMS parts and waited for the JD upper to get there, they would not have had to assemble it a second time on the JD upper and i would not have gotten a third shipping charge to correct another mistake or miscommunication. and lastly, if there was any question about the badger stabilizer assembly, which was correct on the first try as far as the screws go (DPMS) they could have looked on badgers website for the instructions and not drilled a hole in my product. and lastly, while there was no fee for assembly (their offer, not my request), i did pay for it in lost time spent traveling to the mail stuff and postage and insurance. none of which would have been neccessary had the job been done right in the first place.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Welcome RCPD glad you joined !

Rcpd is a Local Leo and Firearms Instructor and a shooting friend..

RCPD here is the link to your KABOOM..

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...758#Post1659758 </div></div>

I checked this thread to refresh my memory about this incident.according to this quote below it was taken care of.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He did and it's all taken Care of there at BH. Good people.. </div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will Let RCPD tell what he got back and how he was treated..

taken cair of and follow threw are diffrent things all together.. </div></div>

You brought the thread up,looked to me like that thread died way back when in March,so he joins last night to complain ? Must not be very assertive if you had to speak for him.
 
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Nobody has to speak for me I can do that myself. Yes promises were made by bhw but not kept. I have the letters from bhw and threats made by them towards me. They did promise a knew rifle but did not deliver one nor did I ask for one.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you carls voice >? </div></div>

No more than you are rcpd's voice.You wanted to stir this up a bit,posted that thread and refreshed my memory.I called Carl with some hard questions today.I am a no BS Hardass when it comes to things like this and asking questions.The Barrel Extension was tested here:

http://www.qnpi.com/

As far as the Deal between Carl and AXEMAN,just thinking about that mess gives me a headache.That is their deal.

ASM1,if things had gone south after a post like yours,I would have edited or updated it to reflect that before posting it like you did.
 
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Here is what happened. After the kaboom I called bhw. He told me to send him my rifle and he would replace it with a new one. My rifle had a vtac/troy rail, dan young nm bcg, bcm gunfighter ch on a rra upper and lower. The lower was swelled out a little, the ch latch broke, upper was demolished, and bcg cracked all the way down.
He stated it was checked out and ammo was at fault. He told me he would send the results of the testing. He never did. He also told me two different results on different occasions of the testing like he couldn't get his story correct. I asked him to send me the damaged parts and I would send them to ammo manufactor. He stated I couldn't have them and that he was keeping them.
I was told my rifle was sent back in working order with an extra barrel. By the way I had two of his barrels that I had bought he acted like he gave me a free one. What I received was not in working order. The vtac rails barrrel nut had most of the teeth stripped off one of which was filed down so the gas tube could go into the upper. There was 1/4in. gap between
the rail and upper. The bcg was replaced with a standard one, the bcm ch was sent back with the latch broke. So no it was not a new rifle and was not in working order when returned like he promised.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcpd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is what happened. After the kaboom I called bhw. He told me to send him my rifle and he would replace it with a new one. My rifle had a vtac/troy rail, dan young nm bcg, bcm gunfighter ch on a rra upper and lower. The lower was swelled out a little, the ch latch broke, upper was demolished, and bcg cracked all the way down.
He stated it was checked out and ammo was at fault. He told me he would send the results of the testing. He never did. He also told me two different results on different occasions of the testing like he couldn't get his story correct. I asked him to send me the damaged parts and I would send them to ammo manufactor. He stated I couldn't have them and that he was keeping them.
I was told my rifle was sent back in working order with an extra barrel. By the way I had two of his barrels that I had bought he acted like he gave me a free one. What I received was not in working order. The vtac rails barrrel nut had most of the teeth stripped off one of which was filed down so the gas tube could go into the upper. There was 1/4in. gap between
the rail and upper. The bcg was replaced with a standard one, the bcm ch was sent back with the latch broke. So no it was not a new rifle and was not in working order when returned like he promised. </div></div>

Now we have your side too,I would definitely get on the line to Carl and get this sorted out.Does not do anybody any good with shit like this hanging out.I personally don't let anything go until it is resolved.