Bolt Carrier Group - Heavy or Light?

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I am putting together an SPR-type AR15. While I was looking into different components I noticed a "lightened" BCG made by Young. I also found a "Heavy" BCG made by another company (don't remember which company). Both were described as being being a superior product because of weighing less/more. I'm sure each has it advantages depending on the type of shooting, maybe? I plan to shoot the 77gr Sierra from a White Oak 20" barrel. Any insight is greatly appreciated.

PS - I've tried the search function.
 
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If you want a truly good "enhanced carrier" Get the LMT enhanced. Now mind you don't get the full carrier group, since it has a goofy nonstandard bolt. Just get the carrier. This carrier has a slightly different cam geometry and a slightly different layout of the vent holes. I have one and it made my midlength rifle shoot a crap ton cleaner and reduced the recoil impulse a bunch. Supposedly this design is increasing dwell time. Whatever it's doing, it does it well.
 
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me thinks.......that........


there are two different technologies employed here...light carrier group with adjustable gas block and standard piano wire buffer spring.....which translates to near zero muzzle flip....and hope the liteBGC will hold together for a couple thousand rounds....


and the heavy FA BCG with the preferred flat wire Chrome silicate buffer spring....and maybe an adjustable gas block....the "boing' go away and empties pile up in one spot.....and BGC goes on like the energizer bunny.....
 
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I think that's the longest post I've ever seen you type Boltripper
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This is my thought. A light carrier is going to move the gun less when it works, causing less muzzle flip due to its light weight recoiling.

A heavier carrier is going to be better for hotter loads since it will take more force to move it.

I have a buddy that shoots a heavy carrier with weight added, with a heavy buffer and extra power spring, in his highpower rifle because he can load a little hotter without worrying on it opening too soon and stuff.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: doorkicker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I run LMT f/a carriers in almost all my M4'geries, but I do have some chrome BCGs that are the cat's ass when it comes time to clean. </div></div>

You clean them
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: splean</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am putting together an SPR-type AR15. While I was looking into different components I noticed a "lightened" BCG made by Young. I also found a "Heavy" BCG made by another company (don't remember which company). Both were described as being being a superior product because of weighing less/more. I'm sure each has it advantages depending on the type of shooting, maybe? I plan to shoot the 77gr Sierra from a White Oak 20" barrel. Any insight is greatly appreciated.

PS - I've tried the search function. </div></div>


Too many guys look to the BCG weight, buffer spring and buffer weight to determine the timing of the AR-15. That is essentially backwards.

You can put any internals in the rifle you personally like IF, and only IF the gas port is sized right, and the gas block is positioned over it to convey all the gas to the gas key. It doesn't matter what BCG, spring or buffer you run, if these two elements are not optimal.

Therefore, it is best to get an adjustable gas block (I like the JET,titanium, low profile, because it is infinitely adjustable and can "tune" the rifle to any internals you happen to like, and fits under any HG) This also guarantees that for whatever load you shoot, you can tune the rifle to the load and vice versa.

Trying to do this via the weight of the carrier and or buffer is a lot like trying to align and balance the wheels of your car by putting more or less weight in the trunk....

When you build it, buy what you think is the most durable. For my 6.8's, I use the YNM standard weight chrome carrier, and the LMT enhanced bolts. I like the Tubbs CS flat wire springs alot. Then, I build the rifle, assess the timing and adjust the gas system as needed.



 
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I have five or six of the National Match M16 chromed carriers. As was said earlier--once you clean one of these, hard to ever go back. LMT and BCM also make excellent bolt carrier groups.
 
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Boltripper is spot on: What happens with the heavy BCG and a CS buffer spring is to delay the breach opening. This is good. Also, the heavy BCG absorbs energy. This is good too. The light one will be propelled rearward harder against the stop transferring that energy to the shooter, and hence more felt recoil. Your 77gr bullets will prefer the heavier BCG. Also, ask John at White Oak; he is an AR expert. And put your carrier to a buffing wheel for a finish that cleans easier.
See too www.zediker.com and his book the Competitive AR15.
The other guy on adjustable gas blocks is right too and anyone saying use an hydraulic buffer, they'd be right too.
 
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IMO to see the greatest benefit from running lightened components you need to look at the whole BCG, gas block, buffer and spring as a system.

For example, my JP CTRO2 has the ultra low mass operating system. This includes a lightened carrier and buffer being fed by an adjustable gas block. The BCG/buffer combo only weigh 9oz., that's 7 oz. less than a normal rifle system. When the adjustable gas block is set correctly you will notice a very sizable decrease in recoil impulse. This is due to having damn near half the reciprocating mass of the standard rifle. A very nice advantage when you are having to shoot accurately against the timer.

The key is, if you run without all the components of this system you may notice a minor changes but nowhere near the effect when all the components are in place and adjusted correctly.

As far as going heavier, I see the advantage of keeping the breeched locked longer for accuracy oriented shooting, however when you need to run the gun as fast as possible, the lighter/less gas route will give you more advantage.

 
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I just wanted to clarify that Young Mfg. makes standard, light, heavy, M16 and AR15 bolts carriers. They don't say one is superior to the other they just give you the choice so you can fine tune. Their products are GTG.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marsh1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just wanted to clarify that Young Mfg. makes standard, light, heavy, M16 and AR15 bolts carriers. They don't say one is superior to the other they just give you the choice so you can fine tune. Their products are GTG.
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+1 Whenever you are trying to maximize performance you start making tradeoff's. You need to know what area of performance you want to improve and what areas you can afford compromise.