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Breaking in a BArrel

kyle1974

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I tried to search for this topic, but got no results back... I was certain I could find something, maybe the search feature is much more advanced than I am?

at any rate, I just bought a new remington LTR 308. I was going to sight it in, and thought about breaking the barrel in... (shoot, clean, shoot clean, rinse repeat, etc.....)

I understand some people think there is no benefit, and other people think there is a benefit...some people think at worst, you will waste your time, but there is no negative impact...

any advice?
 
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its a myth, kreiger or shilen i forget has it on their site saying the only reason the came up with a break in process is because the consumers wanted one. You will fuck up a barrel faster by over cleaning it than you will shooting it. Just go out and run a dry patch through it to make sure there isnt anything in the bore and shoot the piss out of it
 
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Shoot it....

I didn't do shit to my Bartlien barrel on my Creedmoor and it shoots great.

BTW, people are gonna holler at you to search seeing as this has been beaten to death, twice.
 
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when I search "breaking in a barrel" doesn't yield ideal results...

APPARENTLY, on a shooting website, the word "barrel" is a popular item, and the search engine picks up every single thread with the word "barrel" in it... kind of makes filtering a PITA...

if people get bent out of shape... oh well.



however, I have also never posted a video of myself throwing a perfectly good rifle on the ground.....
 
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First shot today with virgin GAP, I decided to try a wet patch of Butches after first shot and found no blue copper on the patch. Shot 2, did the wet patch again to ease my mind and it was darn near clean, came out very light gray, dry patch, shot. Guess my break in is done.

I was expecting that first patch to be solid blue with the way I hear break in must be done for copper fouling.

Male cow feces!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: outdoorsmen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i say just do it. it's only a pain in the butt one time. no big deal, <span style="font-weight: bold">can't hurt.</span> </div></div>

That has also been beaten to death. Some very knowlageble people on here and other sights would strongly dissagree with you on that. Some thing to the affect of more damage is done buy cleaning the barrel than by leaving it alone. Try serching barrel cleaning.
 
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Many barrel makers suggest that every shot is wear and tear, so break in is just the first bunch of shots toward the end of that barrels life.

I'd just get it zeroed and get to work.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DesertHK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Too early for popcorn and beers?</div></div>



Wednesday is hump day.......welcome to the HIDE Kyle please complete your profile....like as in where are you AT !!
 
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that sounds logical also... it would seem that the copper shouldn't have an effect on a steel barrel, and outside of a large amount of fouling after a normal number of shots between cleanings, I didn't know what could be gained from it.

thanks for the info

keep in mind, that if my new rifle doesn't shoot .01 MOA out of the box, I'm going to start another thread bitching like a liberal at an NRA convention.
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Every firearm I've ever shot will shoot better than .01moa untile you make the second shot.
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Oh, and you'll need thicker skin around here. Your new so you will be hazed for a bit.

Welcome to the hide.
 
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Factory tubes may benefit from burnishing the edges of the lands.
With a factory barrel I may shoot 5, then clean for the first 25 or so, but more often than not I don't.

Gale McMillan was the original barrel maker to come out and say that barrel makers recommend break-in so that customers come back that many rounds sooner for their next barrel.

Some high quality makers recommend it, some don't.

I prefer Larry's breakin procedures.........
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 45.308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First shot today with virgin GAP, I decided to try a wet patch of Butches after first shot and found no blue copper on the patch. Shot 2, did the wet patch again to ease my mind and it was darn near clean, came out very light gray, dry patch, shot. Guess my break in is done.

I was expecting that first patch to be solid blue with the way I hear break in must be done for copper fouling.

Male cow feces!! </div></div>

You put one patch through it and expect to see copper?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">its a myth, kreiger or shilen i forget has it on their site saying the only reason the came up with a break in process is because the consumers wanted one. You will fuck up a barrel faster by over cleaning it than you will shooting it. Just go out and run a dry patch through it to make sure there isnt anything in the bore and shoot the piss out of it </div></div>

Barrel break in is not a myth. Every barrel breaks in no matter what you do. Just go ahead and test that theory with a chrono and you will see. But if you have to clean it every shot??? no prob not. But i do check the first few shots of every new barrel i put on my guns to see how they do copper up. Some will have none. Some will have a shit ton. Its just something that happens. When i do see alot come out i will clean it every few shots until it calms down some. Just my way of feeling better about that barrel. If you think that over cleaning will ruin a barrel your wrong. You would have to do something very extreme to do that. ie leave 50 bmg in the bore for a few hours....
 
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I can deal with a little hazing. I knew that this topic had to have been on this page, I just couldn't find it.... almost didn't post it, because I know it's either a bullshit/you better do it/ type answer....

gotta learn the forum rules and habits... I've been on a couple that you can say anything negative or they boot your ass... doesn't make for much online fun.
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Kyle,

I personally feel that since I have to zero the scope I might as well do the one shot and clean for the first five. In a custom barrel that's all you'll ever need. A factory barrel is an entirely different animal. They are usually pretty rough. I long ago gave up on trying to get every little bit of copper out of a factory barrel. You can scrub till you get all the copper out and then when you fire that next shot it's back again. I totally agree that most barrels have been ruined by over cleaning than anything else.

Danny
 
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The reason that people tell you to clean after every shot actually makes sence.

A new barrel, in particular factory barrels, have minute tool marks in them. When you send a projectile through them, these burs/imperfections are smoothed out or bent over. Copper can get trapped in the recesses created by doing this. Cleaning every shot or so, keeps this to a minimum.

A barrel will break in everntually with just firing (a couple hundred rounds). By this point, all the imperfections will be smoothed out. The break in process is intended to reduce the amount of crap stuck underneath these areas, period.

If you are worried about that, then follow a break in procedure. If you are not, then don't. I do not personally think it will hurt if done properly, but it is a huge pain in the ass.

On a factory tube, I personally will use Tubbs Final Finish. In essence what it does is speed up the "couple hundred round smoothing process"

On a custom tube, I just shoot it. There are not as many or as severe imperfections in custom tubes.

But really, this is all theory and in the real world, probably does not offer much benifit.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotAGuru ⊕</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 45.308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First shot today with virgin GAP, I decided to try a wet patch of Butches after first shot and found no blue copper on the patch. Shot 2, did the wet patch again to ease my mind and it was darn near clean, came out very light gray, dry patch, shot. Guess my break in is done.

I was expecting that first patch to be solid blue with the way I hear break in must be done for copper fouling.

Male cow feces!! </div></div>

You put one patch through it and expect to see copper? </div></div>

OK I will ask. If I do not get copper on the first patch, why would I with the second, third, fourth, just when will the copper show up?

The procedure is; shoot one round, patch it, brush it till no copper shows up. If I get no copper, do I stop or do I keep pushing patches and a brush down the tube until copper finally shows up?

So over in Gunsmithing, we now have a post with a barrel with lots of copper, one with little copper and now the rule is, some barrels copper foul easy, some barrels do not. If I have one that does not copper foul easy, then why would I continue to try to get copper from it.

Inquring mind wants to know? Really!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 45.308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
OK I will ask. If I do not get copper on the first patch, why would I with the second, third, fourth, just when will the copper show up?

The procedure is; shoot one round, patch it, brush it till no copper shows up. If I get no copper, do I stop or do I keep pushing patches and a brush down the tube until copper finally shows up?

So over in Gunsmithing, we now have a post with a barrel with lots of copper, one with little copper and now the rule is, some barrels copper foul easy, some barrels do not. If I have one that does not copper foul easy, then why would I continue to try to get copper from it.

Inquring mind wants to know? Really! </div></div>

No but the powder residue left over is the only thing your going to see on your first patch. Plus the solvent needs at least a little time to cut the copper. I usually push 3 and if i see no copper or very little i shoot again.

For everyone here is a good link explaining all this by one of the best smith's on the hide..... And he is spot on!

http://www.louisianaprecisionrifles.com/Care.aspx
 
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Hey NotAGuru, when you quoted my post earlier, what i was refering to was the shoot one clean shoot another clean. I do realize that over time the barrel "breaks in persay" guess i could have phrased that a little better.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The reason that people tell you to clean after every shot actually makes sence.

A new barrel, in particular factory barrels, have minute tool marks in them. When you send a projectile through them, these burs/imperfections are smoothed out or bent over. Copper can get trapped in the recesses created by doing this. Cleaning every shot or so, keeps this to a minimum.

A barrel will break in everntually with just firing (a couple hundred rounds). By this point, all the imperfections will be smoothed out. The break in process is intended to reduce the amount of crap stuck underneath these areas, period.

If you are worried about that, then follow a break in procedure. If you are not, then don't. I do not personally think it will hurt if done properly, but it is a huge pain in the ass.

On a factory tube, I personally will use Tubbs Final Finish. In essence what it does is speed up the "couple hundred round smoothing process"

On a custom tube, I just shoot it. There are not as many or as severe imperfections in custom tubes.

But really, this is all theory and in the real world, probably does not offer much benifit. </div></div>

Yes and i really dont believe in the shoot one shot and clean for this many rounds either. Every single barrel is gonna be different even if just slightly. But I shoot one and check if its coppered real bad i clean it and shoot another. If not bad then i shoot two and try. Usually with every barrel and very very few exceptions they will copper up fairly bad for the first 10-30 rounds. I dont know if there is a hugh difference in keeping it clean alot or not during the break in but just to be on the safe side. I do it just to make cleaning the barrel easier after its all said and done.

Another trick that my old man showed me was to take some 400 grit lapping compound on a patch on a brush that is a caliber or 2 smaller then the bore and work the throat for about 5-10 strokes. Then take some JB or Issoi on a patch the same way for about 5-10 as well. Then flush it out of the bore with some Kroil or some solvent and it really help make the barrel last longer before you get copper fouling. Really i dont know how most of the people on this site get 500 rounds down before the run into accuracy problems. The barrel should carbon foul way way sooner then that. I guess letting it sit and taking it back out after a week or two just blows the extra junk out of the barrel. I would at least run a few patches of bore cleaner every 75-100 rounds just to cut the powder fouling out of it.... Just my .02
 
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That is an excellent article. Jives with what I've been taught and what I've seen.

Tubb's sells TMS (Throat Management System) bullets for this very purpose for hand lapped barrels. To accelerate the wearing away of reamer marks and then to remove the rough edges in the throat from repeated firings. I notice copper fouling at the muzzle end of the barrel beginning to worsen about the time the throat shows alligatoring with a borescope.

John
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey NotAGuru, when you quoted my post earlier, what i was refering to was the shoot one clean shoot another clean. I do realize that over time the barrel "breaks in persay" guess i could have phrased that a little better. </div></div>

Understood man. And by no means do I expect people to eat this shoot one and clean kool-aid crap either. But every barrel is different and I think they just need to be done on a individual basis.
 
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agreed. I've never so much as sent a patch down the barrel of my Remmy and I'll be damned if It still won't hold 3/4in at 100 on a normal day and has put groups well below 1/2.

Just a personal preference, I bought my rifle to shoot it. If I wan't to clean I can go home and clean house.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">agreed. I've never so much as sent a patch down the barrel of my Remmy and I'll be damned if It still won't hold 3/4in at 100 on a normal day and has put groups well below 1/2.

Just a personal preference, I bought my rifle to shoot it. If I wan't to clean I can go home and clean house. </div></div>

If i ever did get a factory gun again i dont think i would ever waste my time on cleaning it. Thats for sure....