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Budget Precision Rifle Build Series

LoneWolfUSMC

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This has been requested from a number of folks:

http://www.8541tactical.com/budget%20precision%20article.php

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<span style="font-weight: bold"> Budget Precision Build </span>
by John McQuay
03.04.11

Hardly a week goes by when I am not asked the question "what is a good beginner rifle". This question arises over and over. The answers given usually only lead to more questions.

This will be the first installment of the Budget Precision Rifle Build. We will be starting with a factory fresh Remington 700 SPS Tactical AAC-SD. The first steps will be installing and zeroing the optic. We will then progress through getting the most out of the factory platform. Once we have documented the accuracy the basic rifle is capable of, we will begin upgrading components until the system has reached its accuracy limit.

The goal of the series will be to demonstrate to the new precision shooter a point he can start at and a path he can follow to hone the rifles accuracy as his capabilities grow.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Where to start?</span>

There are many rifles on the market today that will fill the need of a beginners platform. Our intent was to choose one that will allow for almost unlimited improvement. I also wanted to choose a system that I was intimately familiar with. When building any rifle system for competition or real world use you have to emphasize its strengths and reinforce its weakness. After looking at offerings by Savage, FN USA, Winchester and others I settled on the Remington 700 for the first series.

The Remington 700 has been with us for a very long time. It has been the selected platform for Marine Corps, Navy and Army Snipers in one form or another since Vietnam. It has served hunters and outdoorsman for longer than that. While it is not without its drawbacks, it is a very well rounded platform. The Model 700 is generally accurate out of the box and has limitless potential for modification. Almost every variety of stock, trigger and scope mounting options can be sourced to truly customize the rifle to the shooter and the purpose. You can go from relatively cheap to insanely expensive with a couple clicks on the internet. Moreover the Remington 700 is a rifle that is familiar to any shooting school in the country. Experienced Armorers and Gunsmiths are readily available just about anywhere you go.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Caliber?</span>

When selecting a Model 700 for the build we looked at three main factors. First was the caliber. The Model 700 is offered in a staggering selection of calibers. Since the purpose of the "Budget Precision" build is tactical competition we need a caliber that is capable of "banging steel" to 1000 yards and excellent precision at 100 yards. While the .223 Remington is a great caliber for close and intermediate precision, it falls short at greater ranges.

There are some excellent long range calibers out there. Some favorites are the 6.5-7mm barrel burners. They are flat shooting and cheat the wind. There are only a couple problems with them. It is hard to find a factory rifle with the correct chamber and the right twist for the heavy long range bullets. It is also hard to learn on a rifle that may only get a couple thousand rounds before it needs a new barrel.

Our caliber choice for the "Budget Precision" build is the .308 Winchester. It is also known in military circles as the 7.62NATO or 7.62x51mm. This cartridge has been around for a long time. It was introduced by Winchester in 1952 and adopted by NATO two years later. It is most notably the cartridge the M14 was built around and has been used in High Power competition for quite some time. It is an inherently accurate caliber. Every ammunition manufacturer I am aware of loads some variation of a "match" .308 product. Federal, Hornady, Black Hills and Corbon all have match ammunition that is capable of extreme accuracy in the proper rifle. You can walk into almost any gunshop in the country and find match ammunition on the shelves. When the new shooter finally makes the leap to reloading the .308 Winchester has piles of reloading data ready to go. It is fairly easy to workup a load that will be accurate and long on barrel life.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Model?</span>

Once we narrowed to down to platform and cartridge, the choices got a little easier. Our goal was to start with a rifle on the low end of Remington's offerings. This would allow for a low entry cost and room to modify the rifle to the shooter. Very frequently a shooter will purchase a rifle and then quickly replace the stock for one that fits them better. A large percentage of a factory rifle's cost is in the stock. When looking at the bottom of the line Remington 700 SPS-V and comparing it to Remington's Premier Police rifle, the 700P, the only substantial difference is the stock. The SPS-V comes with an injection molded plastic canoe paddle. The 700P comes with a fiberglass and aluminum H&S Precision stock. If the shooter knows they will be replacing the stock, then it is only prudent to save some cash and get the lower end rifle.

Our choices came down to the 700 SPS-Varmint, 700 SPS-Tactical and 700 SPS-Tactical AAC-SD. Each of them offered their own advantages over the others. The SPS-Varmint comes equipped with a 26" 1:12 twist barrel. This means that the bullet will make one complete revolution for each twelve inches of barrel length. The 1:12 twist barrel is ideally suited to the 168gr Sierra and other similar match bullets. It will shoot heavier bullets as well, but you start to get to the edge of the rifles intended performance envelope. The SPS-Tactical comes with a 20" barrel and a 1:12 twist. The shorter barrel sacrifices a little velocity but allows for easier handling and a smaller package to store and transport.

The SPS-Tactical AAC-SD is equipped with a 20", 1:10 twist barrel. This is a first for Remington in the Varmint Contour barrels (as opposed to the lighter hunting weight). The 1:10 twist is theoretically better suited to 175gr and heavier bullets. The 175gr Sierra Match King is a favorite for long range shooters. The shorter barrel makes it portable while still having enough length to propel factory ammunition to 1000 yards with reasonable velocity remaining. The SPS-Tactical AAC-SD also comes from the factory with a threaded muzzle. This allows for the attachment of a number of devices including brakes, flash hiders and sound suppressors.

All three of our options come from Remington with injection molded, plastic stocks. The SPS-Varmint comes with a standard black or green plastic version. The SPS-Tactical and AAC-SD come with a Hogue Overmolded stock with aluminum bedding pillars. Most shooters will replace these stocks as soon as funds allow, so they were not really a factor in the deciding process.

<span style="font-weight: bold">The Winner.</span>

When the pros and cons were added up the Remington SPS-Tactical AAC-SD came out as our winner. The 20" barrel is totally sufficient for 1000 yard tactical competition. The shorter barrel means less weight and an easier time maneuvering through obstacles. The 1:10 twist should let us accurately shoot 175gr bullets and experiment with some heavier, sleeker bullets in the future. The threaded muzzle will allow us to later attach a brake or sound suppressor without the added expense of a gunsmith's time. The cost is negligible when compared to the other options.

<span style="font-weight: bold">The Testing.</span>

One of the goals of the build series is to document the accuracy improvements of any changes. This should give the reader a better idea of if the increase will be worth the expense. Some changes will be ergonomic and won't have a great deal of impact on accuracy, but will increase the bond between shooter and rifle. It's much easier to shoot a rifle accurately when you are comfortable on it.

For now, the goal is to fire four to five, five shot groups at 100 yards after each change. This is a great enough distance to show meaningful change, but close enough to prevent wind from muddying the results.

<span style="font-weight: bold">The Process.</span>

Along the way we are going to try to concentrate on the project as a total package. We want to explain why we do some of the things we do and how to do them. Hopefully you enjoy and benefit from the process.

We will post each new stage below with a link to the full article of review for that addition. We will also have accompanying videos for some of the stages.

Check the website for continuing stages:
http://www.8541tactical.com/budget%20precision%20article.php
 
Re: Budget Precision Rifle Build Series

Very excited to hear about this as I am in this exact position. New long range shooter with a Rem 700 .308 win AAC-SD. I've gotten as far as mounting a NF 20 MOA base, NF.885" steel rings, and NF 3.5-15x56mm scope. Also have a harris 3-9 and rear bag.

Thanks for doing this!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wheres-Waldo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know, even after inesting 6-7K in custom rifles...theres always the urge to do a budget build.

I miss my old M700 VS....</div></div>

One of my biggest reasons behind this is for our local Tactical matches. I try to talk new shooters into coming out, but they take a look at my rig and decide they could never afford to build a rifle for it.

It's difficult to convince them that they can build a fun/reliable/accurate rifle on a limited budget and do decently with it.
 
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I went with the remington 700 sps tactical 308 caliber threaded 5/8x24 with a FTE break and a McMillan M40-A3 stock and a Bushnell Elite tactical 6x24x50 great combo and easy to carry between stations. I was breaking birds at a 1000 yards with no problem great post and a really good choice for a light weight long gun.
 
Re: Budget Precision Rifle Build Series

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wheres-Waldo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know, even after inesting 6-7K in custom rifles...theres always the urge to do a budget build.

I miss my old M700 VS....</div></div>

One of my biggest reasons behind this is for our local Tactical matches. I try to talk new shooters into coming out, but they take a look at my rig and decide they could never afford to build a rifle for it.

It's difficult to convince them that they can build a fun/reliable/accurate rifle on a limited budget and do decently with it. </div></div>

You just described me to a T!!! I'll be following this for sure, just picked up my first, a Rem 700 AAC. Seems like a lot of us are on the same course. You just might have a bunch of clones of your project running around!!!!
 
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You know, I understand alot of people want what they want, even when they are brand new into the world of feild grade pricision bullet tossing...

I cant help but imagine the idea that a vendor doesnt make a capable 20"-24" platform with optics... with intentions of high production numbers, to flood and standardize the entry level of what we do.
I would promote it to curious beginners too....

I think that having applicable info/data geared specificly towards YOUR rifle...from the perspective of a new buyer...would be very attractive.

Im not going to lay out what I think that rifle should consist of...but I can say I would rather buy than build...and i KNOW a beginner would rather buy than build, just based on the fact that he has the least discerning in itchy trigger fingers.

Ide buy one, to shoot ofcourse, but also to take to the range, and just let others get behind it and drive 3/4 MOA groups untill they get their wallet out and make a $1,200 purchase with a smile on thier face. If we as a cummunity could realize/promote that having a standard platform from which to teach and learn from will do several things in our favor.

1.) Increase the accuracy of our advice across the board.
2.) Ease the # of "Will this fit this, and if I paint this in OD green will it do this when I turn it upside down?" questions.
3.) Increase the chances of someone having success from the beginning and staying in the sport, by having direction tailored specificly to their shooting platform.

This ofcourse would take alot of promotion and support from all of the veterans here...because if people didnt value your advice...they wouldnt ask for it to begin with...and they do ask for it, every day.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wheres-Waldo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know, I understand alot of people want what they want, even when they are brand new into the world of feild grade pricision bullet tossing...

I cant help but imagine the idea that a vendor doesnt make a capable 20"-24" platform with optics... with intentions of high production numbers, to flood and standardize the entry level of what we do.
I would promote it to curious beginners too....

I think that having applicable info/data geared specificly towards YOUR rifle...from the perspective of a new buyer...would be very attractive.

Im not going to lay out what I think that rifle should consist of...but I can say I would rather buy than build...and i KNOW a beginner would rather buy than build, just based on the fact that he has the least discerning in itchy trigger fingers.

Ide buy one, to shoot ofcourse, but also to take to the range, and just let others get behind it and drive 3/4 MOA groups untill they get their wallet out and make a $1,200 purchase with a smile on thier face. If we as a cummunity could realize/promote that having a standard platform from which to teach and learn from will do several things in our favor.

1.) Increase the accuracy of our advice across the board.
2.) Ease the # of "Will this fit this, and if I paint this in OD green will it do this when I turn it upside down?" questions.
3.) Increase the chances of someone having success from the beginning and staying in the sport, by having direction tailored specificly to their shooting platform.

This ofcourse would take alot of promotion and support from all of the veterans here...because if people didnt value your advice...they wouldnt ask for it to begin with...and they do ask for it, every day. </div></div>

......Can I disagree with the above statement without sounding like an argumentative NOOB? I think the idea of a standardized beginner rifle, would take some of the hook out of this sport.

The quest for knowledge, the thirst for the answer to the "will this fit, or what does this do" is part of the hook for some of us. Also the desire to put something together and see what "you can do with it is also a huge part of it for me, and therefore I would assume others as well.

If you had a pre-built system that anyone could get behind and spit out 3/4" groups with, all without the research and the work I think they wouldn't appreciate it as much.

Think about it this way. I've shot the USMC M40's I've shot my fathers rifles, I'd like to say that I'm pretty good with what I've shot, when I've shot it. But, and it's a huge but I had no Idea what went into those rifles, and therefore no real appreciation with what is my skill and what is the rifles. I could buy a GAP, but then I'd just be a NOOB with a really nice rifle. I kind of think about it as putting in your dues, earning that 3/4" group. Knowing what every screw is, every inch pound is torqued too, knowing that the 3-9 is better for me than the 10x.

I for me the trip is better than the destination and if I didn't plan the route and hike the hike I wouldn't enjoy the shot and the view of those 5 rounds in that one ragged hole

J

Again no argument intended
<-------way too new to argue!
 
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These are some very good points guys. I think we all should do our best to aid new shooters to sustain the future of the sport as much as possible. As a high-school student, it depresses me to know for a fact that there aren't many others of my age that enjoy shooting or have ever been exposed to the sport before. And of those that have, most just want to shoot their daddy's super sick 9mm Glock sideways like the gangsters they see in the movies.

This annoys and deeply saddens me that there aren't hardly any kids I can talk to about my extreme love for firearms with because nobody in my age group seems to care enough about the sport.

Consider that my generation is the future of everything, does a bunch of non-shooters running your future sound very grand to any of you? It doesn't sound at all pleasant to me. This is why I have a great respect for programs that teach young people proper marksmanship, which is an incredibly good skill set to have. And is why I have decided that someday in my future I will set up an organization similar to Appleseed to better the future of America and the children who will become the people we rely on someday to make the world a better place.

Any and all shooters are a friend of mine and I will do my best to help them in getting into this sport. It's very idiotic, counterproductive, and downright stupid to do otherwise and I have done it before, recently even. But I am doing my best to be less aggrivated by the same questions over and over again.

I understand the frustration that people who have been here for a while feel when they see the same questions day in and day out but from different screen names but we have to all understand that as a community, it's our duty to help each other out and get on a good foot. Otherwise we seal out new shooters who are merely getting an honest start.

And if you are having a bad day, and don't feel like posting a productive reply, then don't. Nobody is under any pressure to answer any individuals questions. One thing I admire about the Advanced Marksmanship Unit here is that most questions are legitimate and recieve legitimate answers from knowledgeable people. In the more common forums this isn't the case, and it is very sad.





Now, I really like the bui;d so far. Keep up the good work! It is very much appreciated and I will be following your progress every step of the way
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Sincerely,
-Dylan
 
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Re: Budget Precision Rifle Build Series

Slayer, I do agree that alot of the draw for people, weather they might be new or seasoned, is putting togeather exactly what they see in thier head. I also think that more often than not, people get so wrapped up in the BUILD phase, they dont put much enphasis in the actual knowledge and skill development of becoming proficient with what they have built.

For a new-commer, he can save time and money by getting him/her-self a platform that will serve him well from the start, instead of buying a base with too much inclination built in, or becoming frustrated with an optic that has little place in the field, or wondering if he should blame himself or his rings for poor performance, or is he should splurge on the newest "Insert Product Here"....

Its a fine line.... I say put something in thier hands that they dont yet know they need.
Some others may say to let THEM decide what they want, because that alone is a big attraction.
 
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I think the largest detrimint to the sport is when people come in to a forum and they find people saying don't bother with a 1000$ rifle and scope, buy this 1200$ rifle, add this 800$ stock, drop in a 300$ trigger, add 250$ for scope rings and mount, and then another 2000$ or else it won't be able to shoot under 10MOA and the glass will look like a funhouse mirror.

Yes the above is a little extreme, but at the same time, it's not that extreme when you read some of the posts on some of the internet forums. We really need to make sure we are making recommendations based on the skill level of the shooter.
 
Re: Budget Precision Rifle Build Series

One of the driving factors behind this article series is there are a bunch of guys out there who want to get into the LR/Tac Rifle game, but don't know what they don't know.

This isn't a put-down because we were all there at one point. I have looked at actually putting together rifle packages that support a beginner and a low price point, but at this point I am not in a location that I believe I can conduct that kind of business.

I do realize that some of the appeal of precision rifles is the ability to make it your own. To mirror your personality in steel and composite. However if you are a new shooter and you are on a strict budget you really don't have that freedom. Some of the personalization on our rifles is from choosing higher end components over the ones that just work.

In any event, I think you guys will be happy to see where this goes. The sponsors that are already on board allow for a very "personal" rifle. We will be splitting off in a couple different directions showing paths that are possible. This means once we get past optimizing the factory package if you don't like the next step (stock option) then hang on, because the writeup after that may be a totally different option.

This article series has been my main focus this year and I am crazy excited to see it rolling.
 
Re: Budget Precision Rifle Build Series

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of the driving factors behind this article series is there are a bunch of guys out there who want to get into the LR/Tac Rifle game, but don't know what they don't know.</div></div>

That would be me and I know that there is alot that I am unaware of in the world of LR, the problem is sorting thru the steaming pasture muffins on this and other sources to find the kernels of corn. There is lots of good corn (info) here but if you are not careful and listen to the wrong people you are just eating shit. No one person is the be all end all of LR info but I do appreciate you taking the time to provide some vetted info.

TW
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have looked at actually putting together rifle packages that support a beginner and a low price point </div></div>

This we need to brainstorm, put into motion and promote to newcommers.
 
Re: Budget Precision Rifle Build Series

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wheres-Waldo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have looked at actually putting together rifle packages that support a beginner and a low price point </div></div>

This we need to brainstorm, put into motion and promote to newcommers. </div></div>

My friend and I have gotten into precision shooting and were looking at using this thread to start out. I would completely be behind a basic package to start out with, because while I make a lot of money and have almost no living expenses; going through and researching things makes this look like an extravagantly expensive shooting hobby. So I'd love an introductory level option.
 
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I'm a total n00b... I mean I literally know almost nothing, except that I had an M-24 once that would put one round of M118LR directly on top of another at 100m.

I've been close to getting into the game in the past but was torn between a Savage 10 series or a 700P.

I wanted the 700P, but now I think the 1:10 of the SPS, plus the ability to easily mount a suppressor has swayed me. I would probably stick with a 700P stock though.

What optic are you going to mount???
 
Re: Budget Precision Rifle Build Series

LoneWolfUSMC,

Thanks for taking the time to do this series of articles. I have no experience with bolt action rifles. I have many questions that I have been reluctant to ask because I didnt want to get told to push off. I know many of the questions I would ask have been asked before and I have read many of the Stickies and tried using the search engine. But sometimes just getting a more experienced persons perspective is helpful and makes a new person fell that they belong on the forum.
Just reading your first article and you explaining why you picked the caliber and platform was very helpful to me. So I will be picking up a Remington 700 SPS-Tactical AAC-SD and following along as you help me into the world of bolt action rifles and maybe one day long range shooting.
Thanks again.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kalashnikev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What optic are you going to mount??? </div></div>

The optic that we have mounted right now is a Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40 Mil/Mil. The main considerations behind this optic were price, features and price. It's a sub-$200 optic that provides an instant introduction into matching reticle and turrets.

We will be doing a separate standalone review of the optic. I have done some initial work with it, but I have not completed a tracking drill yet. We are stalled waiting on ammo and weather right now. I don't care about shooting in the rain, but my photo and video equipment doesn't like it.

If it tracks accurately it should be a "best buy" for a beginner. Yes variable magnification is nice, but tracking and an accurate reticle is more important. I will go into more detail on why we chose this optic in a later article.

If it doesn't track, then we aren't out much money and will move on to something else that may bust the budget.
 
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First off I want to second the thank you to LoneWolfUSMC for taking this task on. It's a huge help to see and learn as a build progresses.

And Waldo, I know that you are right. I guess my personallity leads me down the road of finding out what I need, why I need it and how to do it long before it is done.

The wealth of knowledge contained here is HUGE, the problem is really sifting through it all and pulling out what is useful to you and from that what seems to be fact or off based opinions. I've learned a few screen names to pay attention too and a few to discard real fast.

Once again I'm really looking forward to where this will go, first off I wanna know what to expect "out of the box"! So I have a base line as too where I am starting, and what to expect of myself in the AAC's current configuration. Is a 1" group at 100 my target or is the rifle not capable.

edited cause you just answered me before I posted it!!
 
Re: Budget Precision Rifle Build Series

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wheres-Waldo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know, even after inesting 6-7K in custom rifles...theres always the urge to do a budget build.

I miss my old M700 VS....</div></div>

One of my biggest reasons behind this is for our local Tactical matches. I try to talk new shooters into coming out, but they take a look at my rig and decide they could never afford to build a rifle for it.

It's difficult to convince them that they can build a fun/reliable/accurate rifle on a limited budget and do decently with it. </div></div>
I was in that same boat and I put together a budget rifle along the same lines for the same reason - entry level into local Tac matches. I slowly started upgrading my .308 SPS-T - starting with an HS precision 5R takeoff, a better scope and rings (S&B and Seekins), a muzzle brake (FTE), and eventually a barrel setback & chamber job. The factory gun with those mods is routinely out-shooting guys with AIAWs and other exotic customs. I probably have under $1800 in the gun even after the chamber work, not including the optic.

I remain convinced its the number of rounds the shooter sends downrange instead of the price of the gun itself that determines how well it shoots.

edit: LWUSMC, meant to say thanks for the time to do this article. I'm very interested to see where you end up at the far right of the spectrum. I feel like I took the exact same route and I'm at about the end of my optimization path short of getting a custom barrel. My last upgrade has been a Manners T4A that is a week out (hopefully). The point is, I think people will be VERY surprised at how much accuracy they will get out of a budget factory gun. Even BEFORE the chamber job, the factory gun was shooting 3/4 MOA easily and often 1/2 MOA when I didn't screw it up. I keep thinking of getting a custom barrel, but the gun is shooting so well, I feel no need to go much further. I'll shoot this barrel out and then upgrade.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

We will be doing a separate standalone review of the optic. I have done some initial work with it, but I have not completed a tracking drill yet. </div></div>

Awesome, can't wait!

I was wondering if you would go with an SWFA-SS...

Also, thank you again for taking the time... this thread is what brought me here.
 
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Kal, that in Mil/Mil or MOA/MOA set-up would be a great choice, but Mil/Mil runs about 7-800 I think. Still a great piece o glass, but maybe more than what someone would spend on thier initial purchase.
 
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LoneWolfUSMC,

I've been following your build since you started the bedding job on the base. Because of your viewpoints, I changed my mind from an EGW 20moa base and went with the Weaver 20moa base for my SPS-V rig. Worked like a champ. Took me two tries to bed it right as I realized I forgot to put wax down before puting the base with the jb weld on. Now, I did go different with Burris XTR rings and a SS10x42. My build has mostly been based by information I've gain from your website, as well as posts you've made here and on other forums. I've noticed you are very knowledgeable about the topics you discuss, and aren't afraid to state your opinions as well as downfalls of certain products. As with others, I look forward to your continued reveiws.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wheres-Waldo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kal, that in Mil/Mil or MOA/MOA... </div></div>

I'm not even there yet...
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Will conduct further research this weekend.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The optic that we have mounted right now is a Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40 Mil/Mil. The main considerations behind this optic were price, features and price. It's a sub-$200 optic that provides an instant introduction into matching reticle and turrets.
</div></div>

LoneWolf - are you sure about mil turrets on this scope?
My local retailers & Bushnells website have 1/4MOA turrets, I fancy having matching reticle and turrets.
 
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Thanks Cegorach. I see that scope also has a greater elevation range, win/win!

Unfortunately, Midway UK doesn't stock that scope. Midway USA will not sell to me, saying I should use Midway UK - even if the product is not sold in UK.
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this may or not be true, so take it with a grain of salt. But when I was trying to find mine I had the local Cabela's looking for one with no luck. The Firearms desk jockey told me their Remington rep said that Remington was consolidating all their manufacturing into one building and that production was temporarly haulted for all but gov.. Cabela's Rep told me that he said I could expect 4-5 months before they would see one and if I found it he recomended grabbing it. Once again this may or may not be true, it is just what I was told when Cabela's could not get me the rifle I wanted, could be they never even looked for it, could be the stone cold truth.

I'm just lucky enough to have found one close to my house, thanks again PunkPig!!!

J
 
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I also wanted to know if the stock needs replaced right away? My barrel rests on the damn stock with the bipod attached which to me would make this rifle not so accurate because the barrel is touching the rubber stock???

I have ordered an A5 to replace the existing rubbing stock...
 
Re: Budget Precision Rifle Build Series

Just out of curiosity, what ammo are you guys planning to test? I am really curious what speed some 168FGMM is leaving an AAC-SD? If anyone knows I would really appreciate it.

Thanks.