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Im looking for a bullet to be used for penetration and reduced deflection on hard objects within 300 yards. I also dont want something that is going to shed its jacket.
Right now I am looking at Barnes solid copper bullets, however I would prefer to find something else that is not as expensive.

First I live in Socialist California and we cannot have A.P. rounds.
Second, I would like it to shoot the same as my 175smk's, so that I can change between rounds and still have the same point of impact.

Has anyone experimented with somehting like this, or have any suggestions.

I am greatful for any and all information.
 
#3
Re: bullets for penetration

You might be able to look around and find a 175 FMJ in 308, if you can't find one you can certainly get them in 310 from the various places that sell boolits for the 54R and 303 Brit. Then stuff them through a sizing die. Dies aren't that expensive (15 bucks from Lee) if you have a press that can shove them. I've done it with a Rockchucker.
 
#4
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There is a bullet that meets your requirement, at least one I have found that works well.. my question, being your in CA, why do you need one... especially when you have 338 in your name which will penetrate just about anything at 300 yards 10X better than a 308.

Seems the "why" is glaring here...
 
#5
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is a bullet that meets your requirement, at least one I have found that works well.. my question, being your in CA, why do you need one... especially when you have 338 in your name which will penetrate just about anything at 300 yards 10X better than a 308.

Seems the "why" is glaring here... </div></div>
To answer the queston, I just like being prepared for any and everything and it might be useful to have someday. Also because the 338LM's have 40moa bases, and zeroed at 600yds and can only come down about 3moa below that.
So, for closer range stuff I was looking for something that will work for the 308s
 
#7
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There is a company out of Switzerland that has the ammo to fit your desires. That being said, if cost is a factor don't even bother to look. Oh, that and you will probably need some specific initials infront of and after your name to get them to sell you any.

You would be MUCH better served sitting down with a tall drink and a reloading manual or three and let your mind wander a bit. There are combinations available today that will make your head spin as far as capabilities inside say 400 and out past 1K.

Cheers,

Doc
 
#8
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: doc76251</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is a company out of Switzerland that has the ammo to fit your desires. That being said, if cost is a factor don't even bother to look. Oh, that and you will probably need some specific initials infront of and after your name to get them to sell you any.

You would be MUCH better served sitting down with a tall drink and a reloading manual or three and let your mind wander a bit. There are combinations available today that will make your head spin as far as capabilities inside say 400 and out past 1K.

Cheers,

Doc </div></div>

Whats the name of the company? Do they have a website?
 
#9
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Do you want it for the .308 or .338? I'd guess .308 considering your 175smk comparison.

What do you actually want to penetrate? A plain .308 FMJ will do a number on just about anything you can think of (that isn't armored) inside of 100yds.

Are AP bullets illegal in Cali, or just loaded ammo? What is the <span style="font-style: italic">definition</span> of AP in Cali? By definition, are you even legal with a Barnes solid bullet?
 
#11
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Looking for them in 308. Looking for something that holds together better than my SMK's on glass/windshields, any part of a vehicle, wood/walls/doors, and any other general cover.
I dont want deflection, and dont want fragmentation or seperation of jacket and core.

Military black tip AP rounds are illegal.
FMJ's are fine, and Barnes Military/LE bullets are fine.

I am looking for personal experiences with any of these rounds as far as accuracy and terminal ballistics.

Also looking for alternatives to what I have listed.
 
#12
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If barnes bullets aren't expensive enough...speer used to make these african grand slam solids with tungsten cores...someone bought them out of their tooling and equipment for it and supposedly is mfg'ing them himself..this is just word of mouth you'd have to do the digging.

Barnes bullets have been working fine for me so far...Lehigh also makes solids but the smallest diameter they do is .308 iirc.
 
#14
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Just a thought, but I have a lot of steel jacket, copper washed FMJ's in 308. They're just as magnetic as the 165 AP black tips that I have.

Not that I'd advocate anyone should do such a thing, but if you felt obliged I've thrown AP pulls into a tumbler before loading them and they come out without that annoying black paint on the nose that "ruins" the ballistics...

Someone wants to check it with a magnet, it's just 165 FMJ steel jacketed cheap military surplus.
 
#15
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The speciality with the link I sent was that the harder than lead component was Tungsten (also heavier than steel). I have seen tungsten penetrators come found on the ground with the copper sheathing stripped off after hitting stone/steel and the tungsten is unmarred.
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MitchAlsup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The speciality with the link I sent was that the harder than lead component was Tungsten (also heavier than steel). I have seen tungsten penetrators come found on the ground with the copper sheathing stripped off after hitting stone/steel and the tungsten is unmarred. </div></div>

I've seen the same thing, I have one recovered from a rock pile that I hit with a friend's 50 cal and AP's. The bastard is razor sharp too, some of the others we pulled off the rocks he uses for center punches in his machine shop. I use mine as a conversation piece on my desk at work.
 
#18
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AP is military designation so you can still use steel core that will penetrate very well and is NOT considered AP because it does NOT have a tungsten penetrator. The steel core will penetrate very well and can be readily found online as surplus and sized try HiTech they usually have them and AP. Some ranges will use the magnet test and automatically say they are AP but they are not. If you take the jacket off of both you will see the difference in an instant. The AP stuff you can use as a center punch (I do) and will mark even AR500 just be careful. The steel core tip stuff will crush when used as a punch. However I have shot steel core .50 from my Windrunner into boulders and have run a rod into the hole over 25 inches so yes it will stay together on just about anything less then armor, AR300, heavy angled steel, etc. you get the point
 
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