Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!

[D_TROS]

Wow its been a crazy year. I went from being a scope snob

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/scope-snob-in-remission.6877345/

to selling everything and buying 2 new XTR2's with H59. This whole year as been fun competing with a scope that tracks phenomenal (what I rank #1 on the scope wish list) that happens to have the wurst glass in the world that you cant see the side of a barn with (what snipers hide ranks #1 on scope wish list) BUT to my great happiness, Burris has really stepped up and answered the call (admittingly I don't like the name just going up to "3" but I don't get to make any decisions regarding sweet names.. my model choice of "BASMF" got rejected...

After a fantastic year of shooting, I was recently approached to spearhead the release of Burris new XTR3 at this years PRS finale.
Simple answer, if it tracks as good as the XTR2 I am in 100%. Now, the scope has landed. 3.3-18x50 and another scope with larger Mag range scope that hasn't been determined the zoom zoom yet but will be around 5-30 ish. They should be at shot and I have no idea on release dates. Im not an employee of Burris. Im now just a fanboy
My day job is construction and my family lets me shoot like a ninja on the weekends ha...


Features on the 3.3-18
-Substantially Better Glass YAY!!
-Actually don't know how to explain this, but when looking through the scope, the scope almost disappears, ie the scope "shadow/ring" is very thin. Very cool feature I think.
-10 mil knobs (thank you for not going to 24 thousand clicks per rev. so annoying to clutter the clicks up.
-20 yard parallax
-adjustable zero stop
-locking diopertererer thingy lol
-Larger knobs easier to grab and rotate and SEE...(and also write on!!)
-KNOBS way more tactile than xtr. reminds me of NF or Gen2 rzr.
-oscillating hash marks (ticks) on knob
-set screws on back of elevation knob so you can actually see to get the allen wrench in to re=zero knob. huge pet peeve of mine lol.
-New SCR TREE rect. hashtag2yrslatetotheparty
-LArgest FOV in class- this number actually surprised me roughly 15' more fov at low power is crazy...FOV has become one of my favorite features in scopes in the last few years, so when Burris told me 40' I didn't believe them...until I looked through the scope. VERY noticeable.
some numbers
XTR3 = 40.3'-6.6''
XTR2 4-20 = 25.8' - 5.4'
USO 3-17 = 25.25' - 8.03'
Kahles 3-18 = 27.8" - 5.5'
Bushy LRHS 4.5-18 = 23.5' - 6'
Bushy DMR 3-21 = 25.3' - 5.1'
SWFA 3-15 = 34.78' - 7.21'
SWFA 5-20 = 20.1' - 5.1'
Leuppy MArk 5 3-18 = 28.3' - 5.8'
Steiner 3-15 = 36.0' - 7.3' (was surprised to see this as high as it is, but I guess it makes sense...)


SO, I will be shooting it this weekend at the PRS Finale. Come check it out. I am very excited to check out how sensitive the parallax knob is. My other high end scopes like S&B and Minox and Henny etc are kind of set the parallax in the middle and forget it. I hope this is like that. I ran my XTR2 at 400-500 yards almost exclusively. I hope this one isn't sensitive.

Ill give a better review after I put 300 rounds on it this week and at the Finale.

As more than a few have mentioned, it is a VERY good time to be a scope consumer!


Regards,
DT

 

[Bender]

Hell yes!!! Excellent!!

 

[Mporche]

Price point?

 

[Bender]

34mm tube?

 

[plidenbrock]

Sweet! Looking forward to your review...

 

[XLR308]

Damn that looks very similar to the Mk5 , I like it and am anxious to hear your opinions on it.
Maybe to early but any idea what street prices will be ?

 

[plidenbrock]

Another question: Any word on total elevation & windage travel compared to the XTRIIs?

 

[steve123]

Nice!

I like that they put in writing "reticle focus", that will save about a thousand dollars of Burris labor right there, lol. Those - uh my new scope is broke, the reticle is blurry, type calls.

 

[C_R_Slacker]

Do you know the weight?

 

[spife7980]

I love the way the graduations look but... I wish that the whole mils were the lowest points and not the .2 and.8 dashes either side. Im sure I wold get used to it (training solves all problems) but as it stands I have to think about it.

So thats my one pulled out of my ass critique.

 

[Wyzrd]

Sweet! I’ve always liked those 3-18ish mag range scopes. Hopefully they’ll have addressed the CA issues from the XTR2’s. That was really the only thing that bugged me about those.

 

[jhr1986]

Interesting. Will they let you show a through the scope pic of the new reticle?

 

[water_au]

Gahhhj exciting hassle them for release dates!!! Im not in a rush to buy a scope yet but this just jumped to number 1 im literally going to call beretta australia and harass them now.!

Can i tack on afew question?

Why is this scope in the 18x and the next going straight to 30x max?

Glass way better when compared to your xtr2?

About xtr2. Is the reason you.went 4 to 20 just the horus reticle?

Good luck i will be following this!!

 

[Bender]

Dorgan shoots a .308 so what could he know about scopes?

It is complete junk, Dorgan, just send it to me for disposal.

 

[MarinePMI]

Interesting.

 

[Subwrx300]

Wish I could like this 10 times!!! Was about to pull the trigger on another scope, but wanted to wait for Burris to upgrade the now long in the tooth XTR2... Woohoo!

Perfect scope if glass is even a little better than the xtr2. Can't wait to order.... @Birddog6424 how can I get a pre-order in?

 

[Subwrx300]

And hopefully it stays non-illumated or at least has a non-illumated option!

 

[AverageGrunt]

So probably just as much as the gen 2 but not as good meh next

 

[gconnoyer]

Awesome. My ONLY gripe with the XTR2 was the grabage glass.

Hopefully it retains a good price point. I’ll be snagging one up to check out for sure!

 

[CSTactical]

Very interested

 

[ldunnmobile]

Awesome. Any chance this is a LOW product like the wonderful XTR II 1-8?

 

[black5.3]

Looks like a sweet package! Would be interested in seeing a couple pics through the scope at different mag ranges.

 

[Roo_man]

nice looking machine

 

[TAHK]

nice

 

[Dburns]

Sweet!!!! Can’t wait to try one of these out

 

[steve123]

I love the way the graduations look but... I wish that the whole mils were the lowest points and not the .2 and.8 dashes either side. Im sure I wold get used to it (training solves all problems) but as it stands I have to think about it.
View attachment 6976945

So thats my one pulled out of my ass critique.

I think those numbers lean to the right to remind everyone of spin drift in their right twist barrels, grin.

Yeah, I see what you're saying about the .1's getting taller just off the numbers. I hope they didn't put the hashes in the reticle that way, lol, right?!.

Both small things.

I'm just glad they put in closer focus and better glass!

 

[Basher]

Consider me very, VERY interested.

 

[Jackomason]

I'm hoping this is more competition for the mk5 3.6-18. What's the weight?

 

[TexasGunTrustLawyer]

Interesting.

 

[Kickin45]

Even though my arch-nemesis is the XTRII, I am always happy to see a new scope release and will gladly and happily put hands on this when it comes out.

 

[308pirate]

Sweet! I’ve always liked those 3-18ish mag range scopes. Hopefully they’ll have addressed the CA issues from the XTR2’s. That was really the only thing that bugged me about those.

Your avatar. I like it.

 

[308pirate]

Any low power variables coming up?

 

[Kane0519]

I’m interested to see the reticle.
Hype is fun & all, but realistically we can’t expect them to greatly improve the glass without a corresponding bump in price.

 

[Tyler Kemp]

Oooh yeah can't wait to make a lever for it!

 

[OLD308]

20 yard parallex is begging to go on my 22lr. That would fix the issue of all my other scopes having H59s but my 22lrs. First time I can say I’m interested in a Burris scope. Please keep info coming.

 

[MarkLeupold]

Wondering about reticle choice. I love the SCR in my T5Xi. If they're sticking with it or have some other good options this scope may be something I look at in the future

 

[earthquake]

I like the 10-mils per turn...that got my attention. I really HATE crowded 0.1-mil tick marks. I hardly ever go above 7.5-mils anymore with the calibers I shoot.

 

[supercorndogs]

I feel like I, might cut my finger on the power ring....

What is the main tube diameter?

 

[MarinePMI]

Glad to see they're finally offering a tree reticle, and the 3.3-18 sounds about right for a hunting rifle intended to shoot greater than normal hunting distances. I'm curious to see what the glass looks like as well.

 

[supercorndogs]

I believe it's still 34mm.

I also like the close parallax. The 3.3-18 is perfect for NRL 22.

And from what I've heard, the new glass is really impressive. They took their time on this one and really got it right. Burris has been working on this for quite some time now. They paid attention to the pros and cons of the XTRII and listened to feedback.

This is the culmination of that.

I am very excited to get my hands on one at some point. I love the FOV, that was something they did right in the XTRII. I don't even understand 40ft FOV with a bottom power of 3.3. That boggles my little cave man mind. Only scopes i have owned that were close were 2-2.5 on the bottom end. I love FOV. Close focus is a must. PCP air and 22 needs it. Imagine getting a 6-30 with the FOV of a competitors 3-18.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

So where's it made? Hopefully Japan.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Where's the rest of the components coming from though? Some good glass comes out of Japan without a doubt, but the mechanical components matter for reliability. We've seen plenty of optics assembled here that still have issues because part quality is skimped on. If the parts are coming from Japan too, great, I have no doubt that they can assemble a quality product here. If they're coming from China and/or Philippines, Taiwan, or basically any asian country other then Japan then it will get a hard pass from me.

 

[water_au]

The XTR II was made in the Phillipines.

It's one of the most durable scopes on the market. So components from there have proven themselves completely reliable.

is it completely made and assembled there and then put through testing when it reaches the us shores if i heard correctly? it is at the top of my to get list but i wonder how far away from commercial sales the xtr3 will be i might havto hold out! im waitinf for the burris rep for aus to call me back.

 

[Glassaholic]

I had a feeling Burris would be offering an XTR III at SHOT 2019, this is fantastic news! The first 4-20 I got had issues with optical clarity, but I recently bought a newer 4-20 that seemed to fix all that, in fact, that 4-20 was better optically than the Leupold Mark 5HD 3.6-18x44. I wish Burris would have stayed with the 4-20 mag range especially with that massive FOV; however, 3.3-18 is workable and the hope for an SCR tree reticle would sweeten the deal. I've been burned by Burris/Steiner for being an early adopter twice, so am not going to be burned a third time, I am very excited about this scope and what it promises but I'm going to wait until they work out the kinks before I actually adopt, if this scope lives up to everything it's marketed to be, then I may have to buy more than one

 

[MarinePMI]

I had a feeling Burris would be offering an XTR III at SHOT 2019, this is fantastic news! The first 4-20 I got had issues with optical clarity, but I recently bought a newer 4-20 that seemed to fix all that, in fact, that 4-20 was better optically than the Leupold Mark 5HD 3.6-18x44. I wish Burris would have stayed with the 4-20 mag range especially with that massive FOV; however, 3.3-18 is workable and the hope for an SCR tree reticle would sweeten the deal. I've been burned by Burris/Steiner for being an early adopter twice, so am not going to be burned a third time, I am very excited about this scope and what it promises but I'm going to wait until they work out the kinks before I actually adopt, if this scope lives up to everything it's marketed to be, then I may have to buy more than one

My sentiments exactly.

 

[patriot07]

Interesting stuff. If this turns into an XTR II with a glass upgrade, it would be a huge winner. IMHO, the biggest hole in the scope market right now is the gap between the $1k options and $2k options (partly because the $1k options have gotten so good, it's tough to improve upon them without a significant price upgrade). But I think there are plenty of folks who would spend $1200-$1300 ($1500 MSRP) on a scope that's a little better than the PST2/XTRII/LRHS/etc. Something like an SWFA HD 5-20 with better features and a less dated reticle. Presumably, the glass upgrade and impressive FOV is going to make this an incredibly popular crossover scope for hunting and precision shooting.

 

[D_TROS]

Dang, this escalated quick. haha.

Price point?

No idea. Ive heard numbers from $1500-$2000 but honestly no idea.

34mm tube?

34mm correct

Another question: Any word on total elevation & windage travel compared to the XTRIIs?

I have 25.5 mils of up right now with a 100 yd zero. On the same rifle with same rings, my 4-20 has 18 mils of up left.

Do you know the weight?

nope sorry. I will weigh after the match this weekend. Very similar to the Xtr2

I love the way the graduations look but... I wish that the whole mils were the lowest points and not the .2 and.8 dashes either side. Im sure I wold get used to it (training solves all problems) but as it stands I have to think about it.
View attachment 6976945

So thats my one pulled out of my ass critique.

Im very curious how I will like it as well. As you said we can learn it, but I am hoping it will be intuitive if that makes sense...

Interesting. Will they let you show a through the scope pic of the new reticle?

This scope just has the SCR Retc. The new tree is still being protected by the lawyers or something. Once it can come out to play I will send pics asap.

Gahhhj exciting hassle them for release dates!!! Im not in a rush to buy a scope yet but this just jumped to number 1 im literally going to call beretta australia and harass them now.!

Can i tack on afew question? no...lol

Why is this scope in the 18x and the next going straight to 30x max? I think the 2 scopes ranges will cover most needs...?

Glass way better when compared to your xtr2? Its 300% better than the original XTR2's. I think I got lucky with my current 4-20's because they are good, but yes its even better than them. I have a Bushy LRHS 4-18, T5Xi 3-16, USO 3-17 and a Luppy Mark6 and its better than them as well. But that could be also attributed to the large FOV taking in more light making it seem brighter?? As I said, Ive literally got 30 rnds down the scope in perfect lighting so hold your horses.

There is ZERO purple finging in bright sun tho. Quite exciting.

About xtr2. Is the reason you.went 4 to 20 just the horus reticle? No. The 4-20 has better eye box, better fov, shorter, and I feel it is a better "deisgn" than the 5-25 if that makes sense. The 5-25 just felt like they were stretching the design capabilities and the glass obviously suffered at high mag. FInally, I nvr go above 18 power when shooting unless on paper, which 20 is plenty.

Good luck i will be following this!!

And hopefully it stays non-illumated or at least has a non-illumated option!

Yes both illum and non illum available. The price will reflect this as well. Also, I havnt seen it but was told the illum will be almost "inside" the parallax knob to keep profile narrow. I hope they are right. I hate the big thing on my 4-20

Awesome. Any chance this is a LOW product like the wonderful XTR II 1-8?

No...see below

20 yard parallex is begging to go on my 22lr. That would fix the issue of all my other scopes having H59s but my 22lrs. First time I can say I’m interested in a Burris scope. Please keep info coming.

Bingo. This and hunting. And a lighter field choice for field matches where you want a rifle to be in the 12 - 15 lbs range

Wondering about reticle choice. I love the SCR in my T5Xi. If they're sticking with it or have some other good options this scope may be something I look at in the future

SCR will be available. Also MOA. Also the new tree once its patented and ready to be etched and released.

So where's it made? Hopefully Japan.

I may be old fashioned, but Im quite excited this will be nearly 100% USA made. Just the glass will be imported and I have no idea from where. Funny thing about laws and stuff, Burris wont be able to say this is USA made because the law requires a crazy high % of the product to be made here. So just having the lenses imported, ki-boshes the USA made moniker. But it will be built and assembled in Greeley, CO.


Keep the questions coming, Ill answer when I can if I know.

Regards,
DT

 

[srt-4_uk]

They said it will be at Shot show and probably spring 2019,if all goes well.

I bought an XTRII when it was announced at Shot. I dont think I got it until the end of the year.

 

[Glassaholic]

I'm hoping Burris keeps this scope near the $1000 price point of the XTR II, that would make it sell like hot cakes, if they are trying to market as a DMR II PRO and put it towards the $1500 it will still sell but many will be deterred I think. My next biggest question is weight, if they kept it close to 30oz this will be another huge win, but if its closer to 35 then not so much. Finally, that FOV sounds too good to be true, the only other scope that's close (within a similar magnification range) is the Schmidt and Bender 3-20x50 with a comparative FOV of 39.0' - 6.3' @ 100yds to the XTR3 3.3-18x50 of 40.3' - 6.6' @ 100yds.

They told me MSRP $1700 to $1800

Well that would be disappointing, the XTR line has always been the "budget" line from Burris and maintained a price point near $1000, if what you say is true then that puts the XTR3 in a different marketplace from their traditional XTR line, it would have been better for Burris to market this as something different from XTR or go the route of Bushnell and call it the XTR Pro or something like that, but anytime I see "XTR" I think around $1k.

 

[mason.ostrom]

I love all 3 of my XTR II's. I actually don't mind the glass quality in them, but any improvement over the II is great in my book. Ill be eagerly looking forward to the III making it to market!