California DOJ running sting operations at Nevada Big Reno Gun Show.

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    More California taxpayer-funded totalitarian assfuckery on display here. Entire squads of agents searching for California license plates at cross-state border gun stores and gun shows and apprehending drivers if they cross back into state lines with prohibited "assault weapons" or "high capacity magazines" as well as loaded ammunition, which requires ID to purchase under Gov. Newsom's most recent anti-gun package of bills.

    I guess the crime situation in California has been finally settled for good, now that so many DOJ agents can be put into running stings on gun owners. I bet people feel so safe now knowing that a 30 round P-MAG has been taken from somebody's vehicle...
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    SACRAMENTO — Ten special agents from the California Department of Justice were watching as a man walked out of the Big Reno Show and placed his purchases in his car.


    The black Isuzu with California plates headed west on Interstate 80 into the Sierra Nevada, eventually crossing the Nevada state line. That’s when the California Highway Patrol pulled Vincent Huey over. Inside the vehicle, state Justice Department agents found 18 high-capacity magazines, some capable of holding 30 rounds, according to court records.

    In recent years, California has enacted increasingly strict gun control laws. Assault rifles and ammunition magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds are illegal to buy or import in California, but stopping their flow over the border has been a struggle. In 2018, according to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, 3,920 guns originally purchased in Nevada and Arizona were recovered by California law enforcement officers from crime scenes, confiscated from criminals or found unclaimed.

    The problem was made clear in July, when a shooting at the Gilroy Garlic Festival killed three people and wounded 17. The 19-year-old gunman used what authorities say was a military-style AK-47 assault weapon purchased legally at a Nevada gun store.

    “The importation of those assault-style weapons is against California law,” state Atty. Gen. Xavier Becerra told reporters after the Gilroy attack. “We may have progressive gun laws, but if other states don’t match us, we have to rely on catching these individuals.”

    State agents for years have conducted undercover operations and arrested dozens of Californians for bringing illegal guns and ammunition magazines into the state. But some agents have been redeployed to a program that seizes firearms from Californians prohibited from owning them because of felony convictions or mental illness.

    “If you have surrounding states that have less restrictive gun laws, you are going to have importation,” said Steve Lindley, the former chief of the Justice Department’s Bureau of Firearms who is now a program manager for the gun control group Brady United. “If there is no enforcement going on, they can just come right across the border.”
    In Northern California, Nevada County Dist. Atty. Clifford Newell has prosecuted dozens of people for bringing illegal guns into the state.

    “The real crux of the problem is that California has a 608-mile border with Nevada, shared with 12 California counties, and Nevada’s gun regulations are less stringent,” Newell said. “People with sinister and nefarious intent will find a way into California with these weapons and accessories.”

    While the state Justice Department has tools to stem the flow of illegal guns — including two new laws that help track out-of-state gun and ammunition purchases — the agency is facing competing priorities, according to spokeswoman Bethany Lesser.

    Some agents previously assigned to surveillance operations at gun shows have been shifted in the last few years to efforts to reduce a large backlog in the Armed Prohibited Persons System, a list of California residents who bought guns before they were convicted of felonies or found to be severely mentally ill. The Justice Department reported in March that there were 23,222 people in the database who are prohibited from owning firearms.

    Though the state makes little information available about undercover operations in neighboring states, records indicate that weapons purchases are still being watched despite the redeployment of agents.

    “DOJ continues to investigate information provided regarding the unlawful importation of illegal firearms into California,” including with undercover investigations, the Justice Department said in a statement.

    Lindley said he attended this year’s Reno show as an observer for Brady United. Up to half of the cars in the parking lot, he said, had California plates, adding that undercover law enforcement was also on hand.
    “We cannot comment, even to confirm or deny, potential or ongoing investigations or operations,” said a statement from Becerra’s office.


    Scott Tarbell, the organizer of the Reno event, said he welcomed the presence of California Justice Department agents and wasn’t concerned about them scaring away potential customers.
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    Scott Tarbell, the organizer of the Reno event, said he welcomed the presence of California Justice Department agents and wasn’t concerned about them scaring away potential customers.
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    Maine used to send unmarked state troopers to NH liquor store parking lots to do the same thing. They did this until word got out. The reason Maine residents bought liquor in NH was that it was much less expensive due to much higher taxes in neighboring states.

    The Governor of NH ordered NH State Police to put an end to that. The Maine troopers were told in no uncertain terms to go to Maine to enforce Maine laws or or they would get an inside look at the NH criminal justice system.

    They left.

    Then there was the day a Boston paper sent a reporter and photographer to the NH liquor store parking lots and got great photos of a Massachusetts State Rep who was a big proponent of stiffer penalties for bringing in non Massachusetts taxed liquor into the state loading his trunk.
     
    “The real crux of the problem is that California has a 608-mile border with Nevada, shared with 12 California counties, and Nevada’s gun regulations are less stringent,” Newell said. “People with sinister and nefarious intent will find a way into California with these weapons and accessories.”

    Wait, so criminals are crossing the state border and they don't like it? Sounds like another border issue and they seem fine with that one.
     
    Attention anyone in California that plans to cross the state lines and buy items that almost every other US citizen is allowed to own

    Park away from the gun show 4-5 miles and take an Uber

    PSA
    Attention California, stop wasting money and other resources on stupid shit like preventing US citizens from owning items they should rightfully be able to own. You can't possibly think you can enforce your unconstitutional laws. Spend the money to clean the homeless peoples shit off your city sidewalks instead.
     
    Attention anyone in California that plans to cross the state lines and buy items that almost every other US citizen is allowed to own
    Park away from the gun show 4-5 miles and take an Uber

    Or for bonus points, in addition to the above, get a storage or a friend, stash the stuff, then go back and get it the next week.

    Just incase the vile CA cops decide to get more sneaky and lie about "Public Safety" to try to check everyone with CA plates coming back from out of state on that road fishing for something that Saturday / Sunday.
     
    Maine used to send unmarked state troopers to NH liquor store parking lots to do the same thing. They did this until word got out. The reason Maine residents bought liquor in NH was that it was much less expensive due to much higher taxes in neighboring states.

    The Governor of NH ordered NH State Police to put an end to that. The Maine troopers were told in no uncertain terms to go to Maine to enforce Maine laws or or they would get an inside look at the NH criminal justice system.

    They left.

    Then there was the day a Boston paper sent a reporter and photographer to the NH liquor store parking lots and got great photos of a Massachusetts State Rep who was a big proponent of stiffer penalties for bringing in non Massachusetts taxed liquor into the state loading his trunk.


    Its a form of voting and its an intended design of the "laboratories of democracy".

    What CA, ME and MA are doing should be unConstitutional.

    The law is about purchase "in state" it has nothing to do with what a free person decides to do by utilizing his/her freedom of movement.

    Abide by the laws of the state your two feet are planted in.

    I would take the "nullification by movement" as a sign that the state is acting in a way that residents disagree. If enough disagree than there is a problem with the law.

    I assume that person buys that prohibited item or evades that tax for their own purpose. If that person comes back to their prohibiting state and than resells that item than they have committed an "in state" violation and there would be a problem.
     
    Patently tyrannical. The lot of them are oathbreakers. The state of CA needs a good yank by the collar back into the republic and in line with our constitution.
    They are just doing their jobs.
    If you don't like the law change it.



    I will not post memes about other people doing their jobs. That is frowned upon here
    Nor will I mention muh pensions and muh dental.
    You people that think they won't be doing their jobs when it comes to confiscation are smoking crack. Example red flags. Example Katrina. Example pretty much all gun laws.
     
    What is the difference between enforcing this and enforcing ccw laws/ AWB laws, prohibited person laws , etc.

    I didn't see "shall not be infringed "except for these circumstances :"
    The politicians that put the laws into place, traitors, those that enforce them, traitors, and judges that allow such unconstitutional laws to remain, again traitors. I give no leniency.
     
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    Talking bad about the crips isn't tolerated here lol
    Well what about the bloods? ??
    seriously tho, im not talking bad about cops as a whole, just the oathbreaking traitors. Doesnt matter what profession, what party, what state, etc etc. i feel the same about said parties that place illegals above citizens. Treason in my mind, and treason is treason.
     
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    Don’t you have to have a state issued ID from the state you purchase a firearm?


    Not for long gun sales. nor for ammunition, or accessories. All bets are off for peer to peer sales... My read is this is targeted at those skirting the mag ban and max ammo purchase laws in Cali, not so much firearms themselves.
     
    Not for long gun sales. nor for ammunition, or accessories. All bets are off for peer to peer sales... My read is this is targeted at those skirting the mag ban and max ammo purchase laws in Cali, not so much firearms themselves.
    Why learning to reload, stocking up on brass, copper/lead, primers, powder and dies is a good idea.
     
    The saddest part of this "sting" is it does more to oppress the general law abiding gun owners in the state than anything else. To the gov bureaucrats it matters not that they are doing nothing to stop the violent criminals who already have no business possessing firearms, accessories, ammo, or components of any kind due to existing federal laws.
     
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    Sounds like KA (Kommiefornia) is outside its scope here. Sending agents outside of its own borders would mean Federal agencies would have to be involved. I can't imagine a lawsuit is not incoming on this issue.


    I'm pretty sure it's not against the law for Cali residents to purchase mags and ammo out of state. Where they run into problems is crossing the border back into Cali, where possession is the crime. The Cali cops make the bust once the violators are safely back in Cali. What is the legality of a state agency surveiling someone in another state? I don't know.
     
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    I think we all know that once you step on the the Cali side of the border, you gain all of the rights and privileges (including obeying their gun laws) due a person of that station. See illegal alien sanctuary cities.
     
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    Nevada needs to treat them as an invading foreign army. At some point it needs to hurt the anti gun folks badly enough to make them stop.
    Sounds like KA (Kommiefornia) is outside its scope here. Sending agents outside of its own borders would mean Federal agencies would have to be involved. I can't imagine a lawsuit is not incoming on this issue.
    Nevada needs to treat them as an invading foreign army. At some point it needs to hurt the anti gun folks badly enough to make them stop.
     
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    The saddest part of this "sting" is it does more to oppress the general law abiding gun owners in the state than anything else.
    That's the entire intent of every anti gun law, without exception, and that of the people passing them.
    To the gov bureaucrats it matters not that they are doing nothing to stop the violent criminals who already have no business possessing firearms, accessories, ammo, or components of any kind due to existing federal laws.
    Oh it matters--they don't want crime to decrease. That's what justifies them bullying the law abiding citizens, having massive PD's and a judicial system that works like industrialized meat packing, and the massive amount of spending on all of it.
     
    What my state (Nevada) needs to do here is publicly and privately tell California’s Atty general to get his fucking agents off of Nevada soil and back across the fucking Cal-Nev border or they will be arrested on the fucking spot.

    Scott Tarbel sounds like an enemy of freedom who has no business organizing or directing gun shows.
     
    That's the entire intent of every anti gun law, without exception, and that of the people passing them.Oh it matters--they don't want crime to decrease. That's what justifies them bullying the law abiding citizens, having massive PD's and a judicial system that works like industrialized meat packing, and the massive amount of spending on all of it.
    Same with terrorism.


    They make it as difficult as possible to carry a gun and defend yourself. Crime goes up then all the lemmings "back the blue" and want more cops less freedom and less constitution.


    Just like the roads. They let the. Go to shit spending the money on ghetto trains and state "workers". Then they push through a big tax increase to "fix infrastructure " and all the lemmings go right along with it.
     
    To the gov bureaucrats it matters not that they are doing nothing to stop the violent criminals who already have no business possessing firearms, accessories, ammo, or components of any kind due to existing federal laws.

    Fake News! They prosecuted the guy that murdered Kate Steinle with a stolen federal firearm.....you lie! :rolleyes:
     
    California has been doing this for some time, also in AZ gun shows.

    Now I bet if the purchasers were illegal immigrants, they wouldn't bat an eyelid.

    PA sets up on DE and NJ liquor and other stores all the time and nails bulk purchasers coming back across the line. We detest CA for its laws and practices, but conducting investigations outside of jurisdiction is nothing new. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there are more agencies than BATFE prowling PA gun shows. On that note, my younger son just informed me that he's moving to NJ. I won't be going across the river for anything short of a real emergency.
     
    PA sets up on DE and NJ liquor and other stores all the time and nails bulk purchasers coming back across the line. We detest CA for its laws and practices, but conducting investigations outside of jurisdiction is nothing new. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there are more agencies than BATFE prowling PA gun shows. On that note, my younger son just informed me that he's moving to NJ. I won't be going across the river for anything short of a real emergency.

    It seems that state LEO would get in trouble over this sort of thing unless the feds are involved, no? The whole "interstate commerce" is where the Feds claim their jurisdiction to regulate and enforce...
     
    hay , I want shoulder fired missile launchers and automatic rifles ... nothing says party in the back yard like your very own stinger or what ever passes as a newer model . what back yard bbq is ever complete without drunk uncles blowing stuff up or each other for that matter .
     
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    They are just doing their jobs.
    If you don't like the law change it.



    I will not post memes about other people doing their jobs. That is frowned upon here
    Nor will I mention muh pensions and muh dental.
    You people that think they won't be doing their jobs when it comes to confiscation are smoking crack. Example red flags. Example Katrina. Example pretty much all gun laws.
    Those that do that once the ROL is out the window will get a block of instruction they will never forget, as well. Keep kicking the dog, history says/proves, it's not a worth will endeavor.
     
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    You can bet they run all the CA plates in the parking lot at the NV gun shows - and if you don’t get stopped on the road - you can look forward to the gestapo knocking your door down the next week for some illegal search and seizure - because it’s obvious the Constitution of The United States no longer applies in the Socialist Republik of Commiefornia.
     
    You can bet they run all the CA plates in the parking lot at the NV gun shows - and if you don’t get stopped on the road - you can look forward to the gestapo knocking your door down the next week for some illegal search and seizure - because it’s obvious the Constitution of The United States no longer applies in the Socialist Republik of Commiefornia.

    So mmm.... go make "copies" of the license plates of the vehicles from the families of those that "enforce" this, as well as the politicians that call for it & the bureaucrats that push it... then stick those on while in the parking lot, let them get photographed / copied down, then drive off down the alley, toss them away and go on your way home and let them eat their own......
     
    This is what happens when a bunch of reject hippies move to a human need resource deprived area of the country and use their fucking seasonal meltwater for growing dope instead of keeping people's houses from burning down. The CA politicians tax the dope and it offsets education costs (read: goes to whatever the fuck they say as long as the education quota is funded), so who the hell even knows what happens to it after that. I don't give a fuck what they are putting in their own bodies, but that whole state needs to be shaped up literally from the roots as far as duty and morality go.

    I suppose this means it's cool for neighbor state LEOs to take a gander at some of those in CA growing dope near the borders. I mean, it's not legal in their state, fucking hell it's not even federally legal at all— right? You know that shit leaves CA through their state's towns.
     
    So mmm.... go make "copies" of the license plates of the vehicles from the families of those that "enforce" this, as well as the politicians that call for it & the bureaucrats that push it... then stick those on while in the parking lot, let them get photographed / copied down, then drive off down the alley, toss them away and go on your way home and let them eat their own......

    I like the way you think!