Rifle Scopes Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

[Lofty]

I have a 3.5x15x50 nightforce with the mlr reticle and .25 moa adjustments.

I have read on here several times that you dont want a reticle in mil when your knobs are in MOA. Im not disputing the correctness of that statement, I just dont understand the problem.

Why is that a problem?

Also, if I primarily just turn knobs to get my trajectory right....does it really matter what my reticle says or how it reads BDC?

I mean couldnt I just use crosshairs?

Im kinda new to the whole long range scene and sometimes the math has me bamboozled.

 

[KNIGHT11B4]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

Its not that having a mil reticle and moa knobs wont work, it will and given the proper operator it will work well. The military did it for year and some line units continue to do so.

Moa/Mil will work, but not with the ease that you will find with Mil/Mil. You are right you could just use your reticle to correct after a shot.

Example.. you are shooting at 800 yards, first shot falls 1.7 mils low and .8 mils left. Ok so you know your elevation is off and apparently there is some wind down range. Instead of having to hold over 1.7 mils and right .8 in open space on your reticle... with a Mil/Mil setup you need no conversion, just dial up 1.7 mils and hold wind or dial but I prefer not to dial wind.

My point being that when the adjustments match the reticle it allows for fast dialing without conversion, you will find yourself spending less time "holding in open glass" as I call it.

Can it be done Mil/Moa.. sure but I guarantee it cant be done as efficiently.

 

[Lofty]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

OK, thanks for the explanation....that makes perfect sense.

So now the next question, can Nightforce swap out my MOA knobs or is the mechanism that controls movement in clicks something more internal.....or what about having the reticle swapped?

I know I can have the reticle swapped......I was wonding if the Horus reticle might work well for me. Im using the scope on an LWRC 20 inch REPR.

 

[dimar1492]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

Take a look at the np-r1 reticle

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

the equipment race continues.......

pretty soon all the old school dudes that continue to bring home the bacon will vanish, fresh minds full of mush will come forth and have before them simple stuff for simple minds.....

then......it will become a point and click real time no thinking persons game.....

 

[Lofty]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the equipment race continues.......

pretty soon all the old school dudes that continue to bring home the bacon will vanish, fresh minds full of mush will come forth and have before them simple stuff for simple minds.....

then......it will become a point and click real time no thinking persons game..... </div></div>

Oh c'mon......thats a little harsh.

You still use an abacus......get to work by horse and buggy?

The truth is technology marches on, old timers can sit and gripe or they can go with the flow. I suppose I could start using a flintlock and a bead at the end of the barrel.

I dont get to shoot a lot, because of where I live, my work schedule and a demanding family life. So when I do, I like having equipment that gets the job done a bit easier....thats all.

 

[427Cobra]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

Why would you want a ruler and tape measure with separate units of measurement?

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lofty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the equipment race continues.......

pretty soon all the old school dudes that continue to bring home the bacon will vanish, fresh minds full of mush will come forth and have before them simple stuff for simple minds.....

then......it will become a point and click real time no thinking persons game..... </div></div>

Oh c'mon......thats a little harsh.

You still use an abacus......get to work by horse and buggy?

The truth is technology marches on, old timers can sit and gripe or they can go with the flow. I suppose I could start using a flintlock and a bead at the end of the barrel.

I dont get to shoot a lot, because of where I live, my work schedule and a demanding family life. So when I do, I like having equipment that gets the job done a bit easier....thats all.

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prolly should have cut to the quick instead of trying to be witty

bottom line is, its nice to have the institutional memory and be knowledgeable on how to dope the shot with all methods and actually use them progression of events to anchor the target on the first shot......batteries not included.

 

[Shady_Jay]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

Scott = not witty

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NTRP-CKA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scott = not witty </div></div>




your buying the bushmill & baileys today.......smart not witty!

 

[jasonk]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

With age some guys get wisdom.....others just get old.

Which one are you Scott?

 

[Dylan in AZ]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

It's really not as big of a deal as everybody seems to think it is. If you sit back and think about it, using MOA on your turrets and having a mil-dot scope probably isn't going to kill you. I use it this way and don't mind it because it's not that hard to use. Sure, I guess having matching reticles and turrets might be easier, but easier really isn't too much of a benefit in this case. Learn both methods of the madness and adapt and overcome. Harder is smarter.

 

[9H_Cracka]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

Good explanation of the ramifications of this plus a cure -

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...259#Post2425259

 

[Shady_Jay]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With age some guys get wisdom.....others just get old.

Which one are you Scott?

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lol he has dry dreams and wet farts

 

[Lofty]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

I gotcha, in fact I totally agree. It's better to be able to do the math on a scratch pad.

Understanding fundementals can never be too emphasized.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lofty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the equipment race continues.......

pretty soon all the old school dudes that continue to bring home the bacon will vanish, fresh minds full of mush will come forth and have before them simple stuff for simple minds.....

then......it will become a point and click real time no thinking persons game..... </div></div>

Oh c'mon......thats a little harsh.

You still use an abacus......get to work by horse and buggy?

The truth is technology marches on, old timers can sit and gripe or they can go with the flow. I suppose I could start using a flintlock and a bead at the end of the barrel.

I dont get to shoot a lot, because of where I live, my work schedule and a demanding family life. So when I do, I like having equipment that gets the job done a bit easier....thats all.

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prolly should have cut to the quick instead of trying to be witty

bottom line is, its nice to have the institutional memory and be knowledgeable on how to dope the shot with all methods and actually use them progression of events to anchor the target on the first shot......batteries not included. </div></div>

 

[Voyagertwelve]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would you want a ruler and tape measure with separate units of measurement? </div></div>

Great way to put it.

Old timers can adapt, this will always be a thinking mans game but technology can help along the way.

 

[High Binder]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

I've used MOA knobs with mil-dots for years with no problems. However, I am looking forward to the ease of my MOA/MOA PST...

 

[slothlacrosse]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

i still use a mil dot with 1/4 MOA knobs.

if i spun my knobs for wind, i'd make the switch to mil/mil. there's no doubt in my mind that it would make life easier, but i don't so it's not an issue.

shoot your rifle, record your data, and tape a card to your rifle with all your data on it.

when you glass your target and determine it's 600 yards away, you spin your knobs to 4.5 (of whatever your dope tells you).

it don't think it matters what your scopes adjustment is as long as it's a constant.

 

[mdmp5]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

If you are really set on matching the turrets with the reticle, you would have a much easier time swapping the reticle than the turrets. Go with an NPR1 if you are gonna do that. I am not sure if NF is offering any of their new reticles outside of the F1 this year.

 

[powell]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

Sell the scope and buy one that is set up the way you want. By the time you pay for new reticle you are $250 deeper into that scope, and have more in it then it is worth usually.

 

[vman]

Re: Can someone explain whats the problem with this?

The scope would still be good.

Unless your using your reticle to range at 15x and/or make appropriate adjustments without too much guess work, then I would stick to it.

If you have a problem with using conversion and all that then get the reticle changed.

But if the scope is not being used in life threatening situations dont stress.