Range Report Can you tell me why is that....

[bjay]

Ok ..at tobys tactical .com i found a weird load for a remington 700 5r its a winchester brass winchester primer smk 175 43.5 varget oal was 2.930 since on my i can chamber up to 2.940 on my 5r i went ahead and tried...and wow! One hole 5 shot on 100yd proning position with the same load set up wel i used imr 4064 cause its hard to get varget in hawaii and i was told they are identical.i was between 2-4pm not to windy(about 3-5mph)not to hot either.so i went back few days after tried it on virgin lapua brass with the same set up between 12-3pm temperature hoter and wind was about 15-25mph with the lapua it grouped 1-to 2 inches ouch! So i tried my left over from over from that one hole group..again! Its over 1 inch! How did tgat happen.this was all on prone pos.nways that was my best shot ever one hole.did i step on a dog crap the last tym?is it posible to get the same result again?

**i tried 43 gr 43.2 43.3 43.5 on that virgin lapu all in about 2" group 5 shot. ....n yes im not a bad shooter

 

[bjay]

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Anybody...

 

[5R Milspec]

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well first of all 4064 and varget are not the same.close but not the same.so do not try to load 4064 useing varget loads.

now I guess you had a day like me.just was a darn good day for ya that day.no I cannot really say at this time.but if I were you I would try seatting the bullet closer to a SAMMI spec at 2.800 rather than seatting them long.have not yet seen a 5R not like them seated at that spec.even with a 168gn bullet.but if wanting to load up a 200gn or better I would hange them out longer.

now the more I think about it I think you need to give use more info on your loading.like just how many times the brass has been fired.or just how you weigh the powder,prep the brass.then we will really be able to help you out.just could be as simple as the necks are getting to hard from working the brass to much.so let use know more and we will be able to help better.

 

[MitchAlsup]

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Varget and 4064 are far from identical. However in 308 you should be able to find a load recipie that shoots either powder well. It will not be the same recipie, however.

 

[bjay]

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.[/quote] <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 5R milspec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well first of all 4064 and varget are not the same.close but not the same.so do not try to load 4064 useing varget loads.

now I guess you had a day like me.just was a darn good day for ya that day.no I cannot really say at this time.but if I were you I would try seatting the bullet closer to a SAMMI spec at 2.800 rather than seatting them long.have not yet seen a 5R not like them seated at that spec.even with a 168gn bullet.but if wanting to load up a 200gn or better I would hange them out longer.

now the more I think about it I think you need to give use more info on your loading.like just how many times the brass has been fired.or just how you weigh the powder,prep the brass.then we will really be able to help you out.just could be as simple as the necks are getting to hard from working the brass to much.so let use know more and we will be able to help better.</div></div>
first of all ty ..ok when i tumble my 308 brass i just dunmp it all inside tumbler.not paying attention on some brass that already shot multiple times some are even more.speaking of case prep heres wut i think maybe i after i tumbled cases tge first five i grab were on the same batch and created the same preasure that why it shoted the same.and the rest that loaded were all diff batch brass.speaking of seating OAL on your 5r does it like to shoot a realy tentioned neck?i used neck sizing 336 bushing ang sinclaire expander die.002 incriments.now that i know that rifle capable to shoot that way with that head and powder along with that win case.i will find the right preasure.virgin lapua thicker than old oln win brass so i think ill startcfrom reducing load and stay the same set up... Thnx again

 

[bjay]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MitchAlsup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Varget and 4064 are far from identical. However in 308 you should be able to find a load recipie that shoots either powder well. It will not be the same recipie, however.</div></div>
tnx mitch....

 

[Grump]

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IME, charge weights are quite close with 4064 and Varget. My ES and sd are usually smaller with 4064. The case fills up "more" with the same weight of 4064, it's more "fluffy" if you will.

Welcome to the wonderful world of the statistical aberration! I've found many so-so loads that would taunt me by giving maybe one in five groups that were sub-MOA, then go back to the average of 1.25 to 1.75 MOA.

That's why we do averages. That's why we do follow-up tests. That's why a total of 30 shots fired in 5- or 10-round groups is the minimum total test size that can really reliably predict future results.

Then there is the occasional statistical aberration in the *OTHER* direction. It's not always you, it's not always the rifle, it's sometimes just the ammo.

 

[bjay]

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Thnx grump that so true... Ive been reading the tread "308 winchester load" but i didnt see this combo: 175 smk win LR primer lapua brass imr 4064 can anyone share it... Ty again guys as always SH answes all question

"Rem 700SS 5R milspec"

 

[bjay]

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TT

 

[ChadTRG42]

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Read and learn all you can in the manuals in the instruction section. There's a lot to learn. Keep your brass prep as consistant as possible from round to round. If one load worked well for you, it should stay that way, unless you changed something up. Review your reloading steps to see what you changed up from the first batch. And Varget and IMR4064 are 2 totally different powders.

 

[bjay]

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Thnx chad...this what happened the load that shot that one hole i was using redding comp dies type S(redding) with 335 bushing i full sized brass when i got to the range i realized the neck on my load were partialed neck sized.when i was sizing brass tge bushing were not all down so it sized the neck only half way yet it shot one hole.so the last times i went back to the range i tried the same load set up the only changes was this time bushing was all the way down, it shoted one inch but not close to one hole.i also tried the same set up on a virgin lapua brass(this part is totaly understandable since old winchester brass the one gave me the good result)now,is it the neck tention?or the weather condition? Im just trying to break it down.i recently received neck sizing die (redding type S)should i stick to full sizing cause it gave me the best result ever or should i start messing with neck sizing?...tnx again everyone

 

[ChadTRG42]

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I'm not sure I follow all the changes you did to the brass. I would full length size your brass, and work up a good load. Work-up- meaning try different powder charges in small increments. You will find the 1 hole accuracy, if the gun and shooter will do it.

 

[bjay]

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I will do that.. Tnx again chad