Range Report Carbon vs copper

[texn]

I recently watched magpul's art of precision rifle DVD and agree with Tod's opinion regarding the clean bore/copper issue. I have always had a difficult time cleaning the barrel without it requiring a lot of subsequent fouling before it became accurate again.
Tod mentioned that mpro 7 gun cleaner is the best cleaner to use bc it only removes carbon, leaving the copper and making for consistent shooting after cleaning.

However, the product description on the bottle states :

Significantly cuts cleaning time
Improves accuracy and reliability
Conditions to reduce future fouling
Removes carbon, lead and most copper fouling

Removes most copper fouling? I thought it only removed carbon?

Is this the same product Tod mentioned?

I'd also like to hear some of your cleaning routines that you feel work the best for maintaining POI afterwards. (e.i. One patch wet then dry, or brush)

 

[sniperghost]

Re: Carbon vs copper

BoreTech Eliminator for me.

 

[turbo54]

Re: Carbon vs copper

MPro7 will clean up copper somewhat.

Why don't you clean when required, refoul, and leave be, ready for use?

Said another way: Never put the rifle away "clean"?

 

[DJ 480]

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I swear I just saw a thread on cleaning techniques a few days ago lots of suggestions and routines in it.

but basicly clean when needed..

 

[DJ 480]

Re: Carbon vs copper

Just used the search function with "cleaning" typed in lots of stuff came up fyi

 

[texn]

Re: Carbon vs copper

Thanks. I guess my question was more about mpro 7 more than anything. I was just making sure I was looking at the right product. I was under the impression that it only cleaned carbon.
I don't usually leave my rifle clean. But I've found it takes a long time for it to settle back in.

 

[VKC]

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One of the way products that I've found that are only supposed to remove carbon and not copper is bore tech C4 carbon remover.

 

[beretta989]

Re: Carbon vs copper

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[Temp9]

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KG-1 Carbon Remover is not overly aggressive on the copper. But the best way to maintain POA/POI is to not clean, or clean minimally. Anytime you scrub the barrel clean, you're going to have to foul it again later.

By the way, don't take that DVD seriously, please. Too much product advertisement, not enough quality information.

 

[leadbullet]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Temp9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KG-1 Carbon Remover is not overly aggressive on the copper. But the best way to maintain POA/POI is to not clean, or clean minimally. Anytime you scrub the barrel clean, you're going to have to foul it again later.

By the way, don't take that DVD seriously, please. Too much product advertisement, not enough quality information. </div></div>
couldn't agree more

 

[redbullitt]

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I have just over 600 rounds on my go to rifle without cleaning. The bullet will go where I ask it to when I pull it out, barring mother nature blowing a bit of course.

I would not worry about "cleaning" it until you see accuracy degrade enough to bother you. Grease, clp, or boresnake as needed of course depending on weather or use, but don't worry too much about it other than that. Overcleaning simply due to shooting the rifle is neither necessary nor beneficial.

 

[wvlapua]

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I clean much more frequently than most. I rarely hit 100..guess I need to just shoot more and clean less. On the otherhand my 204 likes to be clean, maybe I should try it dirty. Who knows maybe the groups will shrink even more!

 

[Greg Langelius *]

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I clean my comp guns at somehere between 100 and 200rd.

I use Outer's Gunslick Bore Foam and perform two soaks. Period. What come out comes out; what stays in, stays in.

I'm not eliminating fouling, I'm managing it.

The final patches end up with some faintly dark smudges, copper seldom makes its appearance.

My rifles warm up and the zeroes settles down in 3-5 sighter shots. I bring 50 rounds to a match, 40 are for score.

...Works for me...

Greg

 

[MitchAlsup]

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I have found that simply leaving Hoppes #9 in the barrel for a week does a fine job of removing copper. Basically, it disolves the carbon, and then the oxygen in the air have access ot the coper, the drud turns blue-green and comes right out.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

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That's my suggested regimen for Winter layup. Just patch out and renew the #9 in the rifles' bores every few weeks. By Spring they should either be at, or well on their way to, an unblemished state.

Yes, they will need to be reseasoned before full accuracy will return; but I see that as mostly being a reacquaintance process.

It's not just the guns that need some reawakening after a long Winter's nap...

Greg

 

[Hookturnr]

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I've had pretty good luck running 2 wet patches of butchs bore shine then 2 dry patches, 1 wet patch of clp and 1 dry patch. Do that around every 200 rds. and they seem to stay consistent the whole year round..