Caution...M1A Porn

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    As promised, my parts have arrived so it’s time to post the results. This was a unique project in that you can’t associate the simplicity of a M1A build with price…you’d be wayyyyythehell off if you did. Meaning that this was an amazingly simple project that was very pricey. Considering the $1700 price tag for the weapon when new, I knew going in that this wouldn’t be cheap. Having paid for the platform 17 years ago, the price for it wasn’t factored into my budget. In my mind the weapon was already money in the bank.

    The victim is an early 90’s era Springfield Armory National Match with less than 1000 rounds through her so its accuracy was a known quantity at 1 MOA. I had several goals I wanted to achieve…

    1. Convert it to a precision scoped rig for long range work
    2. Retain its ability to perform using irons
    3. Give it a modern appearance and increase functionality through better accessory mounting, yet keep the classic look of the original weapon. I did NOT want to try to make this look like an AR clone. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that
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    4. Eliminate the need for bedding, yet retain the benefits of it, including the ability to tension the barrel
    5. Sub MOA performance (.75 or better)
    6. Suppressed fire without gas mods
    7. And lastly…to get it right the 1st time

    Surely some lofty (and maybe conflicting) goals but the M1A has a proud lineage and I wanted to do it justice. As such, saving a buck here or there wasn’t an option I’d consider given goal #7. Goal #5 will be mostly out of my hands and rests with barrel condition and optic platform stability. I’m fairly confident I’ll at least retain its original performance and get 1 MOA out of her. .5 to .75 would be sublime but may require a new barrel so I think I’ll wear this one out first. Arguably this is the only corner I’ve cut.

    The parts list…

    A. Sadlak scope mount—I went with the Sadlak purely due to their mount including a kit to properly fit the receiver. There are some out-of-spec receivers out there and just slapping any mount to a M1A without knowing if the receiver was built to spec. would not help achieve goal #5. Sadlak will custom build your mount if your receiver is off (mine was “spot-on” in spec). The ability to shoot irons with the scope mount in place is another plus.

    B. GG&G Extreme Duty Swivel Bipod—I’ve owned several bipods and the GG&G looks like something off of a fighter jet. A very solid, precision-built piece of equipment.

    C. Leupold Mk-4 30mm rings-- There are a lot of good rings out there and I saw no advantage of one over the other. The Leupolds are solid units and Sadlak carried them so I killed 2 birds.

    D. US Optics SN-3 TPAL 3.2 X 17-- The optic decision consumed more energy than any other and my options list for this scope will likely change some before it goes into production. I likely won’t take delivery until July-Aug and I’ll mount a friend’s Leupy for range testing.

    E. JAE-100 G2 Stock (Coyote brown w/swat black accessories)—The stock was a no-brainer once I saw the JAE. I knew it was “the one” the second I laid eyes on it.

    What never fails to amaze me is the simplicity of the M1A. Removing the stock from the receiver takes 10 seconds. Simply cock the trigger guard, remove the group, and the receiver/barrel are free. The only mod necessary was to replace the NM op-rod pin with a USGI unit…the NM pin is shorter and may walk itself out due to the lack of bedding in the JAE stock.

    Price tag for those interested was $4K and change (not including the gun) and I haven’t factored suppression into the mix yet.

    Yes…OUCHHHHHHHHH.

    We can argue the logic behind the cost of this project all day but in the end…it was there. I haven’t weighed it but suffice it to say its the artilliary piece I expected.

    From purely an appearance standpoint, this thing is freakin’ sweet and the photos just don’t quite do it justice. It’s one of those things you just can’t stop staring at. The JAE stock feels as if it were custom molded to fit the shooter with everything exactly where you want it. It’s as ergonomically perfect as it looks. If there were one shortcoming with the JAE it would be the lack of a thumbwheel adjustment to the butt stock…spacers are needed.

    Range testing will begin this weekend out to 200 at Gateway, then I’ll head out west a bit to Bradford to try her at 800 yards within the next few weeks.

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    Is the action bedded into the stock?

    Any thoughts on unitizing the gas system?

    My M1a just got finished. McMillan Stock, Titanium bedding, Krieger heavy match, reamed flash supressor, trigger job, harris bipod, smith enterprises scope mount, Leupold Mark 4.

    not sure how it looks, but my man that built in out west says it is holding somewhere between .5 to .75 MOA.

    Now if I ever get out of Afghanistan, I can go home and play with it.

    Skippy
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">holding somewhere between .5 to .75 MOA. </div></div>

    What ammo?
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rangerskippy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is the action bedded into the stock?

    Any thoughts on unitizing the gas system?

    My M1a just got finished. McMillan Stock, Titanium bedding, Krieger heavy match, reamed flash supressor, trigger job, harris bipod, smith enterprises scope mount, Leupold Mark 4.

    not sure how it looks, but my man that built in out west says it is holding somewhere between .5 to .75 MOA.

    Now if I ever get out of Afghanistan, I can go home and play with it.

    Skippy </div></div>
    Bedding the stock isn't required with the JAE. The stock is essentially a precision machined aluminum chassis with a set of lug slides floating inside of it. The slides engage the receiver lugs and are threaded to bolt the receiver to the chassis from underneath creating a rock solid metal to metal fit. The beauty of the chassis system is that barrel tensioning isn't at the mercy of the gunsmiths bedding job or a function of stock rigidity. The unit has an adjustable barrel tensioner that can be tweaked to adjust group size. Haven't thought much about any other mods except for maybe a better op-rod than the SA unit.

    I feel your pain not being able to check out your new toy. My son is over there right now and he just got his 1st gun, a glock 23 sitting in my safe. Its driving him nuts waiting to get his hands on it. Keep your head down bro...it will be here when you get back.
     
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    This is the trigger group housing. You can see the lug slides with the "Pat Pending" stamp. The slide has a lug on the front and you can see the receiver lug engaged at the left side of the image. Once engaged, the 2 large allen heads draw up tension on the slides making the receiver and stock as one unit. The trigger group no longer holds everything together. As you can see, the machining is a work of art. The fit is so precise that the lug slide bolt holes had to be elongated to allow the receiver to be tilted into the stock.
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't wait to see how your rifle shoots!!

    I am still debating between a M1A Scout and a DPMS. </div></div>

    Me too. I have a DPMS SASS that shoots sub-MOA. I'd love to be able to outshoot it with this rig. I think at longer ranges the M1A may be better with the longer barrel.
     
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    Its a hard decision between purpose and desire!
    The Scout in my opinion is a sexy rifle and shallow as it may be I absolutly love the asthetics of it!
    The termoil is accuracy! I would live with a 1 MOA rifle but some guys are saying 2-3 which is really not acceptable imo.
    If I could get it close to 1 MOA for a relatively inexpensive price tag then I will get a Scout. The other option is the SASS but IF DPMS is going proprietory then I am not happy about that and will probably not purchase one of their rifles. I am just not a fan of being pigeon holed by anybody let alone someone who I am paying some good money to. Just my .02
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BattleAxe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks guys. The hard part now is waiting to shoot it this weekend. </div></div>

    You have more restraint than me. Once it was in my hands, I would drop everything and go shoot!
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    Range report and more porn please.
     
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    I have the exact same setup except mine is in green. I'm in the process of tinkering with the barrel tension device. I Love my ggg bypod and I went with their light weight versions to replace my harris on all my other rifles. Mike Sadlak was easy and very helpful to deal with. I got his spring guide rod, ti match piston, scope mount and I recomend the sadlak extended mag release. If some one tells me how to post pics i will.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lazuris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the exact same setup except mine is in green. I'm in the process of tinkering with the barrel tension device. I Love my ggg bypod and I went with their light weight versions to replace my harris on all my other rifles. Mike Sadlak was easy and very helpful to deal with. I got his spring guide rod, ti match piston, scope mount and I recomend the sadlak extended mag release. If some one tells me how to post pics i will. </div></div>
    I'd like to see that. Even the coyote brown looks more like faded olive drab than brown and mine didn't match the pic I saw. Oddly enough I was wishing I went with the OD version after i placed my order but was pleasantly suprised when I opened the box. I'll probably do the mag release, op-rod, and JAE's bolt release lever.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MtnMan2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have more restraint than me. Once it was in my hands, I would drop everything and go shoot!
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    Range report and more porn please. </div></div>Unfortunately I own a business and I'm at the mercy of my customers but Sunday I'm slingin lead.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a similar M14 in a SAGE EBR that will be seeing action at Gunsite Hills very soon.

    Do you every travel to NE Georgia? </div></div>

    I've seen yours in pics and its wicked...I like it. In fact I've been wanting to ask you about your suppressor. Good? Bad? Ugly? and who makes it? I like the QD feature.

    I'm just now starting to get back into the shooting sports after a hiatus due ot military obligations so I haven't been anywhere except local ranges. But now that I have my armory where I like it so I plan on competing again.
     
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    Thank you for your service and the kind words.

    My suppressor is the same M14 can that Fisher makes for Smith Enterprise, Inc. and it fits SEI's M14 DC Vortex flash eliminator.

    It fits snug on the DC Vortex I have on my M14s and my lone 7.62 AKM pictured below.

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    Note: You will need to use one of SEI's GLFS if you want a front sight or you can retain your M14 gas lock if you don't.
    It will work on any DC Vortex equipped firearm that is .30 caliber or less... put a DC Vortex on your DPMS SASS and this can will work.

    Very few SEI/Fisher cans are in civilian hands, maybe 60 or 70... it was designed for battle field conditions and it is built like a tank.
    It's rebuildable in the field and a bit on the long and heavy side. It is hearing safe in that hearing protection is not required to protect my sensitive ears.

    How do I like it? ~ I love mine.

    Contact Dave Fisher for detailed information http://www.fishersuppressors.com/

    You will see a picture of my rifle on his web site, but I am just a happy customer and not an employee.
     
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    You are going to love it, its a really sweet set up. I have basicly the exact same thing going on, I put a krieger barrel on mine, my shoots great all the way to 1000. My only complaint with the JAE stock is that the cheek piece really digs into your cheek. I solved that by covering up the cheek piece. Enjoy it.

    mike
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its a hard decision between purpose and desire!
    The Scout in my opinion is a sexy rifle and shallow as it may be I absolutly love the asthetics of it!
    The termoil is accuracy! I would live with a 1 MOA rifle but some guys are saying 2-3 which is really not acceptable imo.
    If I could get it close to 1 MOA for a relatively inexpensive price tag then I will get a Scout. The other option is the SASS but IF DPMS is going proprietory then I am not happy about that and will probably not purchase one of their rifles. I am just not a fan of being pigeon holed by anybody let alone someone who I am paying some good money to. Just my .02 </div></div>

    I would think that the scout would shoot better than that, at least 1.5 in factory trim. As for the SASS, I have one and wouldn't trade it. I've heard about the rail issue but on a gun like the SASS that's a complete package I don't quite see what negative effect that would have. You don't need anything for it except optics. For a crate gun the SASS is amazing at its current price.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BattleAxe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its a hard decision between purpose and desire!
    The Scout in my opinion is a sexy rifle and shallow as it may be I absolutly love the asthetics of it!
    The termoil is accuracy! I would live with a 1 MOA rifle but some guys are saying 2-3 which is really not acceptable imo.
    If I could get it close to 1 MOA for a relatively inexpensive price tag then I will get a Scout. The other option is the SASS but IF DPMS is going proprietory then I am not happy about that and will probably not purchase one of their rifles. I am just not a fan of being pigeon holed by anybody let alone someone who I am paying some good money to. Just my .02 </div></div>

    I would think that the scout would shoot better than that, at least 1.5 in factory trim. As for the SASS, I have one and wouldn't trade it. I've heard about the rail issue but on a gun like the SASS that's a complete package I don't quite see what negative effect that would have. You don't need anything for it except optics. For a crate gun the SASS is amazing at its current price. </div></div>

    Nice BUILD !
    The M1A/M14 have SOUL !
    I dont have a scout,But I droped a Bush Gun in a SAGE EBR with AD RECON X mount in reverse with a NF 2.5x10x32 ZS and its 1.5-2.0 at worst MOA average,At 566 yards.At 100 yards .7 to 1.5 MOA average..
    With AAC 7.62SD it dropes 5 MOA at 100 yards and groups are bad..

    I am thinking about sending it to have a Criterion Medium Weight 18.5" Chrome Lined Barrel installed.
    I'm on the fence about doing this or sale it,or trade for an AR10..

    I want this 1MOA and under at 600 yards average,I may be dreaming ?
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BattleAxe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its a hard decision between purpose and desire!
    The Scout in my opinion is a sexy rifle and shallow as it may be I absolutly love the asthetics of it!
    The termoil is accuracy! I would live with a 1 MOA rifle but some guys are saying 2-3 which is really not acceptable imo.
    If I could get it close to 1 MOA for a relatively inexpensive price tag then I will get a Scout. The other option is the SASS but IF DPMS is going proprietory then I am not happy about that and will probably not purchase one of their rifles. I am just not a fan of being pigeon holed by anybody let alone someone who I am paying some good money to. Just my .02 </div></div>

    I would think that the scout would shoot better than that, at least 1.5 in factory trim. As for the SASS, I have one and wouldn't trade it. I've heard about the rail issue but on a gun like the SASS that's a complete package I don't quite see what negative effect that would have. You don't need anything for it except optics. For a crate gun the SASS is amazing at its current price. </div></div>



    You sure aren't making my decision any easier. I wish I won the lottery so I could just buy both! then things would be easy.
     
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    "As promised, my parts have arrived so it’s time to post the results..."


    I hate you. I don't know how I missed this yesterday, but that is top notch. Congratulations...very nice rifle!
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: N8Lusk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I hate you. </div></div>

    LOL. Been getting a lot of that. You're really gonna hate me when you see the .50 BMG build I have planned for next year
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The M1A/M14 have SOUL </div></div>

    They certainly do.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sure aren't making my decision any easier. I wish I won the lottery so I could just buy both! then things would be easy.
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    Truth be told...if I didn't already have a M1A I would have never bought the SASS. The M1A would have been my 1st choice hands down. Being the official service rifle of the US Navy I suppose I'm a bit biased.
     
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    after posting, I googled the stock, and see where the bedding is not needed with the metal insert. Pretty sharp set up.

    I studied all the different scope mounts, and from what I saw, yours and the smith enterprises seem to have the best reviews. I tried one that claims to be adjustable, and did not have much luck with it, as even with loc tite, it still kept vibrating loose.

    I like how LRB comes with the scope mount built into the receiver.

    As awsome a rifle as the M1a is, you would think by now there was a better system than that side mount. Seems like a handy gun smith would figure a fool proof kit that with a little machine work or something similar just firmly attached a rail to the top of the receiver. My engineering ability aint all that, so the super glue and zip tie method did not seem to hold the tightest groups.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rangerskippy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">after posting, I googled the stock, and see where the bedding is not needed with the metal insert. Pretty sharp set up.

    I studied all the different scope mounts, and from what I saw, yours and the smith enterprises seem to have the best reviews. I tried one that claims to be adjustable, and did not have much luck with it, as even with loc tite, it still kept vibrating loose.

    I like how LRB comes with the scope mount built into the receiver.

    As awsome a rifle as the M1a is, you would think by now there was a better system than that side mount. Seems like a handy gun smith would figure a fool proof kit that with a little machine work or something similar just firmly attached a rail to the top of the receiver. My engineering ability aint all that, so the super glue and zip tie method did not seem to hold the tightest groups. </div></div>

    You would think. The scope mount was my biggest concern at least from the standpoint of being able to hold zero. That said, the original Brookfield design which Sadlak and other are using was used on military sniper rigs for decades, is still in use, and has a pretty good track record in spite of the compromises. In the end, "it is what it is" so to speak. We can blame this (partially) on the success of the AR platform...companies just aren't throwing R&D money at the M14 beyond stock options.

    Interestingly I was going to borrow a friends scope for this until my USO arrives but it was a POS. Against better judgement I broke zero on the SASS to be able to use my MK4-M3 for range testing. I leveled the rifle, leveled the scope, bolted it on, and sighted a mailbox across the street using irons at about 50 yards. Transitioning to the scope reticle I found the zero to be only about 4 inches left and 2 inches low. That will get me on paper at 100 yds. I thought that was pretty impressive given how different these platforms are. I thought the MK4 would be way off after being zeroed to a SASS.
     
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    I bought the Swan mount, the reason being it keeps its rail closest to the bore of any mount out there. I wasnt planning on using the irons. Mine has been rock solid and has not needed any adjustment.
    Yes, desert sand color.

    mike
     
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    That rifle is beautiful!!! I have had my M1A for about a month and a half, and I love it. I am now just trying to save up for all the extras, but I plan on going very close to what you did with yours. But the M1A surely has is own following. It's great to see all the appreciation out there for these rifles.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sreid87</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That rifle is beautiful!!! I have had my M1A for about a month and a half, and I love it. I am now just trying to save up for all the extras, but I plan on going very close to what you did with yours. But the M1A surely has is own following. It's great to see all the appreciation out there for these rifles. </div></div>

    I forgot how much I liked mine. What's really good is to see the appreciation from younger shooters. They'll keep the platform alive and ensure a following for future generations.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a similar M14 in a SAGE EBR that will be seeing action at Gunsite Hills very soon.
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    What is your accuracy with and without the supressor? And does firing suppressed require a load adjustment? (As in lighter is safer)
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BattleAxe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a similar M14 in a SAGE EBR that will be seeing action at Gunsite Hills very soon.
    </div></div>

    What is your accuracy with and without the supressor? And does firing suppressed require a load adjustment? (As in lighter is safer) </div></div>

    I have not fired the M21A5 CH EBR yet, but my MK14 SEI has an 18.0" medium heavy Crazy Horse barrel and it shoots sub MOA, groups
    tighten up with the suppressor attached. I mostly shoot Portuguese NATO surplus, but I have an assortment of TAP and some M118LR.

    My M21A5 RRM has a standard profile SEI barrel and it was dead on at 100+ yards
    off hand, with irons and the suppressor during the last AAC suppressor shoot.

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    I love it. How much does that weigh ? My SA M21 is friggin overweight now, and the addition of a JAE stock has been on my wish list for a long time.... help me justify one of these stocks...
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bfoosh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love it. How much does that weigh ? My SA M21 is friggin overweight now, and the addition of a JAE stock has been on my wish list for a long time.... help me justify one of these stocks...
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    Its an artillary piece. I'm not sure how much but it makes my SASS feel light by comparison. I'd guess 16-18 lbs. However, in a long range rig weight is your friend.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LFOD1776</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want to see targets!
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    I'll post the good, bad, or ugly after this Sunday's trials.