Range Report Chronograph Reports With Factory Box Ammo

[Steel+Killer]

I am not sure if this thread already exist somewhere else, but I thought it would be a cool idea and useful information for people to post their shooting data for factory box ammo so here goes......


Factory Box Ammo: Prime 6.5CM 130gr

Chronograph: MagnetoSpeed V3

Rifle: Tikka CTR 24" 6.5CM (Please include barrel length)

Number of shots: 10

Min: 2824 Max: 2900

Avg: 2854

ES: 76

SD: 22.7 Most Important Number IMO




Factory Box Ammo: Hornady 6.5CM 140gr ELD-M

Chronograph: MagnetoSpeed V3

Rifle: Tikka CTR 24" 6.5CM (Please include barrel length)

Number of shots: 10

Min: 2682 Max: 2716

Avg: 2697

ES: 34

SD: 12.8 Most Important Number IMO

 

[kabarNC]

I'll play:

Chronograph- MSV3

Rifle: Tikka CTR 20" barrel

Sample size-20rds of FGMM 142gr SMK

. 20rds of Hornady 130gr ELD-M

 

[Steel+Killer]

Yea I should have done 20rds for my sample size that way the data could be per box when I go back I am going to start over....lol

 

[vh20]

I'll play:

Chronograph- MSV3

Rifle: Tikka CTR 20" barrel

Sample size-20rds of FGMM 142gr SMK

. 20rds of Hornady 130gr ELD-M

Hmmm....that sure seems awfully low. Was this done back when it was really cold? My 20 in. Tikka CTR is 6.5 CM and it runs Prime 130 and Hornady 140 ELDM at least 100 fps faster than that, and I've confirmed with both MS and Labradar. I don't have my book with me, but I'll try and see what I got on that rifle (haven't shot it since I got a new rifle in March). A .260 ought to be faster than a 6.5 by a small amount, not less.

 

[kabarNC]

Hmmm....that sure seems awfully low. Was this done back when it was really cold? My 20 in. Tikka CTR is 6.5 CM and it runs Prime 130 and Hornady 140 ELDM at least 100 fps faster than that, and I've confirmed with both MS and Labradar. I don't have my book with me, but I'll try and see what I got on that rifle (haven't shot it since I got a new rifle in March). A .260 ought to be faster than a 6.5 by a small amount, not less.

This is the first 40rds thru a new factory barrel shot last weekend. Yeah, I'm kinda bummed about it, but I'm thinking it will speed up a notch when I get a full case thru it. I'll repost when velocities stabilize.

 

[TheOE800]

I've got chrono data on 130gr PRIME and 140gr ELD-M in my notebook at home, let me see if I can dig it up. I do recall ES/SD on PRIME wasn't /great/ but it was smaller than ES/SD on that particular lot of 140gr ELD. I was a bit surprised to see the 140gr stuff moving at 2713fps AVG (7rds) and the PRIME at 2833fps AVG (10 rds) out of the Ruger's 24" barrel.

 

[vh20]

This is the first 40rds thru a new factory barrel shot last weekend. Yeah, I'm kinda bummed about it, but I'm thinking it will speed up a notch when I get a full case thru it. I'll repost when velocities stabilize.

Well, my previous post was only partially correct. (A mind is a terrible thing...). I don't have my data book with me, but it just occurred to me that I DO have my Kestrel with me, and it has the MV AVG in it for two loads out of the 20 in. Tikka CTR 6.5:

Prime 6.5 CM 130gr: 2739 AVG

Hornady 6.5 CM 140 ELDM: 2578 AVG

Unfortunately I don't have the ES and SD with me right now (they're in my book), but the Prime was in the 60s, and the Hornady in the 50s as I recall. I don't have the exact number of rounds I shot for each string with me either, but I never shoot less than 15 for a baseline average.

So, the Prime 130 is much higher than your Hornady 130, despite yours being a .260 vs. my 6.5. I guess it could just be the difference in the ammo maker's loads. The Fed. 142 vs. the Hornady 140 is a bit more of a reasonable comparison, but I'd still think a .260 might do a bit better than that. However, again we're comparing two different maker's loads. Probably can't draw any conclusions from apples vs oranges. Your 130 gr. load looked so low that it really caught my eye, since my 6.5 shoots Hornady 140 ELDM 71 fps faster than your .260 is shooting 130 gr ELDM.

 

[Steel+Killer]

I am sure this question has been asked before, but what SD on factory "MATCH" ammo would be considered..........

great

good

bad

awful

 

[TheOE800]

I have seen factory match ammo SD in the single digits and I'd say that's great; it seems the best reloads are in the low two digits for spread with single digit SD. None of my ammo does that, but it's been good at low two digits (under 20, closer to 10) SD . Don't know if I can define bad or awful, but my newb interpretation of figures in the OP:

Prime is okay, but that ES is bad. I'd actually be interested in the median value as well to see if it was a trend or just a few cartridges brought the ES up quite a bit. That particular lot of Hornady seems to be pretty good I'd say - acceptable ES though I'd like to see even less, and the SD is in the low two digits.

 

[Tunnuh]

My TIKKA CTR with 20" barrel is averaging 2667 FPS. My SD was higher, but no worse than what lowlight was seeing with prime in his .260 test(22 or 23 but I don't have my data book with me at work to verify). Unfortunately i didnt have a magnetospeed when I was shooting prime. However, both brand of ammo have shot well and translates to hits on target. Last weekend I was hitting a 4"×4" target at 800 with the factory Hornady Match 260.

 

[Steel+Killer]

My TIKKA CTR with 20" barrel is averaging 2667 FPS. My SD was higher, but no worse than what lowlight was seeing with prime in his .260 test(22 or 23 but I don't have my data book with me at work to verify). Unfortunately i didnt have a magnetospeed when I was shooting prime. However, both brand of ammo have shot well and translates to hits on target. Last weekend I was hitting a 4"×4" target at 800 with the factory Hornady Match 260.

Just curious do you mean a 4ft x 4ft or are you actually saying 4"(inch) x 4"(inch) target at 800yds because if that is the case then that's 1/2 MOA at 800yds Holy shit that's damn good!

 

[Tunnuh]

No, I mean 4 inch by 4 inch. Correct 1/2 moa. my picture didnt post well though. I'm gonna work on that pic posting when i get home. Its at Fossil Pointe here in North Texas. So I'm at about a 50 percent hit rate, so not great yet!

 

[Steel+Killer]

On a 6" steel plate at 600yds I have a about a 70% hit rate once I am dialed in and I was feeling good about it. Now I don't so much (insert crying emoji) ......lol All I can say is wow that is some damn fine shooting and I wouldn't change a thing.

 

[Tunnuh]

On a 6" steel plate at 600yds I have a about a 70% hit rate once I am dialed in and I was feeling good about it. Now I don't so much (insert crying emoji) ......lol All I can say is wow that is some damn fine shooting and I wouldn't change a thing.

Thanks, I appreciate it! That made my day! I hope the resized image posts well enough. its the small one that I was after in the pic, on the left at the 800 yard line. Hopefully it let's you zoom in.

 

[FrankInDerby]

Savage 10 FCP-SR 6.5CM 24"
8/17/17 Avg 77F during session
ProChrono 10ft from muzzle

Hornady 140gr ELD-M
2 strings 10rds each (rounds count 78-98 on new barrel)

1 - 2635
2 - 2645
3 - 2650
4 - 2650
5 - 2693
6 - 2666
7 - 2682
8 - 2677
9 - 2645
10 - 2704

AVG - 2664 ES - 69 SD - 23

1 - 2688
2 - 2688
3 - 2656
4 - 2682
5 - 2704
6 - 2656
7 - 2710
8 - 2688
9 - 2656
10 - 2699

AVG - 2682 ES - 54 SD - 20

Frank

 

[lash]

I just started breaking in my 20" Tikka barrel. I shot a box of Prime 130 through it to start and just put 30 rounds of 142 FGMM through it, measuring with the MS. Avg of 10 shots was 2575 with a surprising SD of 8. That's not my usual experience with FGMM. I recorded some .308 168g FGMM today on another guys rifle with a more normal SD (in my experience) of 14 over 10 shots.

i would like it if it were a bit faster, but Federal .260 Rem. has never impressed with speed.

 

[kabarNC]

I just started breaking in my 20" Tikka barrel. I shot a box of Prime 130 through it to start and just put 30 rounds of 142 FGMM through it, measuring with the MS. Avg of 10 shots was 2575 with a surprising SD of 8. That's not my usual experience with FGMM. I recorded some .308 168g FGMM today on another guys rifle with a more normal SD (in my experience) of 14 over 10 shots.

i would like it if it were a bit faster, but Federal .260 Rem. has never impressed with speed.

Did you happen to chrony the Prime? I've not tried it yet, and your numbers are identical to mine. Curious on ES and SD also..

 

[lash]

No, unfortunately. Since the Prime was the first 20 rounds down the tube and I was sighting it in etc., I did not chrono those rounds.

My my previous experience with Prime .260 has been in my 26" Rock Creek barrel. I found the Prime ammo to be faster than my hand loads but with an SD of the middle teens again. Accuracy wasn't as tight as I prefer in that barrel.

The 20" Tikka seems to like them though, so I am considering picking up another case as backup for it.

Sorry that I don't have real numbers right now. Maybe I'll get a chance to dig them up later when I'm home.

 

[kabarNC]

No, unfortunately. Since the Prime was the first 20 rounds down the tube and I was sighting it in etc., I did not chrono those rounds.

My my previous experience with Prime .260 has been in my 26" Rock Creek barrel. I found the Prime ammo to be faster than my hand loads but with an SD of the middle teens again. Accuracy wasn't as tight as I prefer in that barrel.

The 20" Tikka seems to like them though, so I am considering picking up another case as backup for it.

Sorry that I don't have real numbers right now. Maybe I'll get a chance to dig them up later when I'm home.

Yeah, no worries. I really shouldn't have posted any of my numbers here either, those were literally the first 40rds down the barrel, and I found out yesterday that it's already sped up alot, to the tune of 80fps. Couldn't find the 10" plate at 755yds without walking them down lol. Once I found it, it was game on, just had to retrue everything (130 ELDM box ammo). I'll run the rest of this case thru and repost, also wanna try Prime..

 

[TheOE800]

Yeah, no worries. I really shouldn't have posted any of my numbers here either, those were literally the first 40rds down the barrel, and I found out yesterday that it's already sped up alot, to the tune of 80fps. Couldn't find the 10" plate at 755yds without walking them down lol. Once I found it, it was game on, just had to retrue everything (130 ELDM box ammo). I'll run the rest of this case thru and repost, also wanna try Prime..

Had a similar experience with my Ruger, but the speedup wasn't quite that dramatic.

 

[lash]

It is a common phenomenon with new barrels.

 

[kabarNC]

An update on my 20" CTR .260 Rem:
MSV3 crony
88deg.F
2200DA
Hornady 130ELDM 10rds:


13.9SD
44ES



130 Prime 10rds:


6.7SD
21ES
Very excited about the Prime ammo! This is only a sample of 10, but the first 8rds held an SD of 4! Velocity is on par as well. From the first round to the 118th round I gained 54fps with the Hornady ammo. Not sure if the barrel has settled down or not, but will continue monitoring.

 

[Steel+Killer]

Wow that SD is pretty impressive, just curious how long do you wait between shots?

 

[kabarNC]

Wow that SD is pretty impressive, just curious how long do you wait between shots?

About 10 secs in between shots. Those numbers do not include cold bore, I took care of that with the Hornady. I have this thing, I shoot better if I get in a rhythm, so the tempo is usually always 10sec, with the actual unfired round always spending pretty much the same time in the hot chamber. Don't know if that (time spent in hot chamber) makes much difference, but I could see where it would..

 

[Steel+Killer]

I shoot better if I get in a rhythm, so the tempo is usually always 10sec, with the actual unfired round always spending pretty much the same time in the hot chamber. Don't know if that (time spent in hot chamber) makes much difference, but I could see where it would..

Thats interesting I never gave that much thought, but thinking about it that would make sense that the unfired round gets "preheated" to close to the same temp would/will make for more consistent velocities. I am going to try a little experimenting myself and see what the results are.

 

[tnichols]

Federal GMM in 260 Remington 142 SMK
26" Bartlein on an AIAE Mk III
CED M2 w/ firmware upgrade over IR screens in a coffin
77 degrees F 45% relative humidity BP 30.34 852' MSL

2759
2759
2745
2749
2737

Average: 2749
ES: 22
SD: 8

 

[tnichols]

Failed to mention in my post above that I DID verify that it saw shots 1 and 2 as they were duplicates. Also, this is Lot # P1K126

 

[tnichols]

Federal GMM in 308 Winchester 185 Berger Juggernaut
20" factory barrel on a AIAE Mk III
Same chronograph set up as above
70 degrees F 29.94 BP 852' MSL

2523
2551
2540
2541
2543

Average: 2539
ES: 28
SD: 9

 

[lash]

Those are good numbers on the Juggs from a 20" barrel. I almost got the same speed from the FGMM 142s in .260 from a 20" barrel. Even though that is about 200 fps less than I get from my 26" barrel, the 142s fly really well and buck the wind great.

 

[tnichols]

Those are good numbers on the Juggs from a 20" barrel. I almost got the same speed from the FGMM 142s in .260 from a 20" barrel. Even though that is about 200 fps less than I get from my 26" barrel, the 142s fly really well and buck the wind great.

The Juggs shot lights out to 800 yards, but then the wheels fell off at 1K. I attributed this to the 1:12 twist and extremely low DA's here in the dead of winter. The most accurate factory load I've ever run through this gun. Consistent in the .3's

My 260 LOVES the 142 SMK's and as you noted, they do very well in the howling winds of Iowa. I hand load them at 2830 fps +/- , but may run a case of these out at distance to get me away from the reloading bench for a bit.

 

[godofthunder]

Shot some factory ammo today.
20" Tikka CTR 6.5 Creedmoor
F1 Chronograph

Federal 130 Berger Hybrid
Avg = 2685
St.Dev = 19
ES = 46

129 SST Superformance
Avg = 2789
St. Dev = 12
ES = 31

The Bergers were basically one hole, the SSTs were a hair under 1 MOA.
Going to try reloading the Bergers and hopefully get 100 fps or so above that Federal load.

 

[Pusher591]

Federal GMM in 260 Remington 142 SMK
26" Bartlein on an AIAE Mk III
CED M2 w/ firmware upgrade over IR screens in a coffin
77 degrees F 45% relative humidity BP 30.34 852' MSL

2759
2759
2745
2749
2737

Average: 2749
ES: 22
SD: 8

Those 142’s look pointed. Did they come
loaded that way in the FGMM? If so I wonder if this is something they are doing or is Sierra pointing all their smk’s now?

 

[tnichols]

Those 142’s look pointed. Did they come
loaded that way in the FGMM? If so I wonder if this is something they are doing or is Sierra pointing all their smk’s now?

They did come that way, and I'm glad you mentioned it. I thought the very same thing!

 

[Pusher591]

They did come that way, and I'm glad you mentioned it. I thought the very same thing!

Thanks, I just read on their blog page that they are pointing several different projectile now on the SMK’s.

 

[tnichols]

Thanks, I just read on their blog page that they are pointing several different projectile now on the SMK’s.

Hmm. Interesting. I ran these just for fun (meaning this factory offering). I typically hand load the 142 SMK for this rifle and the bulk components sure don't look as good as these .

 

[Pusher591]

Hmm. Interesting. I ran these just for fun (meaning this factory offering). I typically hand load the 142 SMK for this rifle and the bulk components sure don't look as good as these .

Might depend on where you get them from. You may be buying stock that was produced before they started pointing them. Here’s he blog article

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sierra.../09/unpointed-bullets-vs-pointed-bullets/amp/

 

[lash]

Mine don't look like that either. I guess that I need to update my stock.

 

[Nik H]

Factory Box Ammo: Prime 6.5CM 130gr

Rifle: AI AT 24" Barrel
Chronograph: PACT PRO XP with IR Screens
Distance from Muzzle is 13 feet
Environmental: 72 degrees / 60.6% RH / 30.16" (Station Pressure) per Kestrel 5700 Elite
Number of shots: 10
Min: 2714 Max: 2742
Avg: 2728
ES: 28
SD: 9.2

 

[TheOE800]

Rifle: Brand new AI AX 26"
Chrono: Magnetospeed V3
Environmental: 69 degrees, 64% RH, 29.69" per Kestrel 5700.

Prime 130gr 6.5 Creedmoor
Number of shots: 8
Min:
Max:
Avg: 2854 fps
SD: 17.7 fps
ES: 61fps

Norma 130gr 6.5 Creedmoor
Number of shots: 10
Min: 2902 fps
Max: 2926 fps
Avg: 2912 fps
SD: 8.7 fps
ES: 24fps

Federal Berger 130gr 6.5 Creedmoor
Number of shots: 10
Min: 2823 fps
Max: 2892 fps
Avg: 2859 fps
SD: 21.5 fps
ES: 69 fps

Hornady ELD-M 140gr 6.5 Creedmoor
Number of shots: 10
Min: 2753 fps
Max: 2822 fps
Avg: 2784 fps
SD: 22.7 fps
ES: 69 fps


Interesting results. These represent some of the first rounds down this barrel after 20rds of "break-in" shots.

 

[Steel+Killer]

Interesting results. These represent some of the first rounds down this barrel after 20rds of "break-in" shots.

On the Hornady ELD-M 140s you are about 87fps faster than my 24" Tikka I suspect your 26" barrel will speed up with more rounds down the barrel don't you?

 

[TheOE800]

On the Hornady ELD-M 140s you are about 87fps faster than my 24" Tikka I suspect your 26" barrel will speed up with more rounds down the barrel don't you?

It's about that much faster than my Ruger 24" was after ~500rds down the tube. If this barrel mimics what the Ruger did, then yes I can expect about another 50-75fps within the next several hundred rounds. This is, I believe, a Bartlein barrel and I don't know if they typically speed up or start fast.

 

[Timo Turl]

.260 Rem in a 26” Bartlein:

PRIME 130gr
Temperature (F): 45
Density Altitude (Ft): -740
Velocity FPS: 2911
Standard Deviation: 10



HORNADY 130gr ELD MATCH
Temperature (F): 48
Density Altitude (Ft): -500
Velocity FPS: 2774
Standard Deviation: 17

Hornady is waaaaay slow.

 

[bfoosh006]

So, I gotta ask.... any interest in .223 / 5.56 from a 16" Middie and 20" Rifle ? .... I have a TON ( over 100+ different rounds, same 2 rifles ) of chrono data.

Also 9MM from my 16" PCC Colt Pattern... 129 different OEM rounds.

 

[Steel+Killer]

So, I gotta ask.... any interest in .223 / 5.56 from a 16" Middie and 20" Rifle ? .... I have a TON ( over 100+ different rounds, same 2 rifles ) of chrono data.

Also 9MM from my 16" PCC Colt Pattern... 129 different OEM rounds.

Sure the more the merrier.........

 

[bfoosh006]

129rds 9x19 rounds tested so far... 16" barrel Colt Pattern PCC.

Sorry little ES and no SD.



As always... YMMV... so please view my carbines data as just my results... the same barrel, under the same conditions, so as to eliminate variables, .... your carbine might be faster or slower slightly.

I want to make sure everyone realizes my results are from a Colt Pattern Carbine, with a mag block insert..... any feeding issues might not happen in a Glock Pattern, or a designed from the ground up 9x19 carbine ( Beretta, Sig .. etc.. ) So take the feeding issues with a grain of salt.



I realize most people are not really concerned with the velocity of various 9x19 rounds... but ...My goal was to see what will run in my carbine, what the velocities were , and "guesstimating" what the added velocity would do to the various JHP, Bonded HP's, Copper HP's etc.... ( You have to start somewhere... )

A good example would be the Fed. XM9001.... that older design bullet already penetrates to a shallow depth.. and the added velocity will probably make its penetration depth less... kinda acting like a "varmint" 9mm round.

I also know there are various other sites with very helpful info ( BBTI ) ... but, some of their data is kind of dated, and does not include the newest rounds.


Weather.....68 degrees, slightly overcast, chronograph was 12 feet from the muzzle.

18rds of each 9x19 ammo was chronographed...
The reason being, I am going to later conduct a 32rd mag test concerning reliability / feeding and accuracy test... I will include the FTF and FTE , etc from this round of testing.

My "standard" for velocity checks, is GECO Swiss 124gr... I have found it to be very consistent and accurate... so I used it every hour to spot check velocity.
Just to make sure the sun or "murphy's law " wasn't skewing chronograph results.

Rifle info....
PSA 16" 9MM Colt Pattern Hybrid, 1n10 twist, Lantac Muzzle Brake, ALG ACT trigger with JP Springs, 6.75oz Buffer, Tubbs .308 variable power spring.

Competition Electronics ProChrono Pal Chronograph was used....


General observations...

Not all 9mm is created equal... I observed numerous nasty bullet setbacks.. Photos will follow later... but it was obvious some brands use better QC and neck tensions / crimp pressure.... ( Remember YMMV )

Only one 9mm OEM round would not cycle consistently, it should be noted that every other FMJ bullet fed perfectly in my carbine, but not the MaxxTech 115gr FMJ ... and it was VERY low velocity as well ( compared to same weight ammo ) perhaps the low velocity contributed to the feed issues.....

While some of the ammo was expensive, those same rounds were very impressive in function.. I have to say Buffalo Bore ammo was 100% reliable....even while using the same bullet ( Barnes X bullet ) that other manufacturers rounds had trouble with.

I expected some JHP's to choke while feeding, simply because of the HP's profile and the less then perfect feed ramps of a Colt pattern carbine.... and some did.... consistently across the weights.
That is NOT to say it is bad ammo... just not a good choice in my AR15 Colt pattern 9MM... that same ammo might feed perfectly in a Sig MPX... Or a Glock Pattern AR....or such.

As we all know... a blowback 9mm carbine can get filthy quickly, and some ammo burns very clean... while some burns filthy.
If you are running a suppressor..... I strongly suggest you use the cleanest burning, fully coated / "sealed" bullet.... I was just starting to have issues with chambering at the end of the day.. from the gunk that had accumulated. There was no noticeable effect on velocities... just function got sluggish.

Onward to the velocity results.... ( accuracy and 32rd reliability tests will be part 2 )

 

[bfoosh006]

115gr and below...

Polycase, 65gr Interceptor............................1940fps, smelled like burning plastic slightly
Polycase, 65gr Interceptor RNP.....................1844fps, smelled like burning plastic slightly


Ruger, +P 80gr ARX.....................................1689fps, very ES 12, smelled like burning plastic slightly

LeHigh Defense, +P 90gr Extreme Defense... 1773fps, no issues.

Winc. 90gr Zinc Core "Super Clean"...............1548fps, UNBelivably clean burning inside and out.

Buffalo Bore, +P+ 95gr Barnes TAC-XP..........1880fps, very consistent, Low ES

Magtech, 95gr JSP........................................1694fps


Fiocchi, 100gr Frangible................................1568fps

Hornady, 100gr Lite, Flextip..........................1326fps, 2 bullet setbacks



Aguila, 115gr FMJ.......................................1360fps, low ES
Aguila, +P 115gr FMJ..................................1418fps
Aguila, 117gr JHP.......................................1282fps

Armscor, 115gr FMJ....................................1200fps, very smooth shooting.

Atlanta Arms, 115gr FMJ, AMU load.............1388fps, VERY accurate

Barnes, +P 115gr XTAC...............................1303fps ...4 FTF

BlazerBrass, 115gr FMJ................................1335fps

Brown Bear, 115gr FMJ ..............................1398fps... the gunky chamber didn't like the Lacquered case

Browning, 115gr FMJ...................................1392

Buffalo Bore, +P+ 115gr Barnes TAC-XP .....1505fps, very low ES, so much so that it was noticeable , very consistent feeling.

Colt SCHP, 115gr Solid Copper HP...............1360fps.... dismal feeding.. 8 FTF... no setback though

Estate, 115gr FMJ......................................1310fps

Federal, 115gr FMJ Aluminum cased, .........1326fps... 4 NASTY bullet setbacks resulting in FTF
Federal 115gr SynTech...............................1362fps....3 FTF... found a chunk of the "Poly" jacket in the rifle cleanup
Federal, +P+ 115gr JHP 9BPLE...................1640fps, very smooth running and feeding
Federal, 115gr JHP, XM9001.......................1532fps, very smooth running and feeding
Federal, 115gr JHP 9BP..............................1363fps, very smooth running and feeding
Federal, 115gr FMJ AE................................1324fps
Federal, 115gr FMJ "Champion"..................1340fps, oddly, softer recoil then the above AE

Fiocchi, 115gr HP.......................................1458fps
Fiocchi, 115gr FMJ......................................1316fps, large ES 88

Herters, 115gr "Total Nylon Jacket".............1340fps, large ES 88

Hornady, 115gr C. Defense FTX...................1340fps

HotShot, 115gr FMJ....................................1372fps

GECO, 115gr FMJ, German made................1334fps

IMI, 115gr FMJ..........................................1427fps, very low ES, clean
IMI 115gr Di-Cut........................................1352fps

Independence, 115gr FMJ, Brass.................1305fps... 60 ES

Magtech, 115gr FMJ..................................1371fps
Magtech, +P+ 115gr JHP...........................1640fps, very fast 115gr

MaxxTech, 115gr FMJ................................1198fps, for a FMJ bullet..numerous FTF, underpowered part of the issue ?

Nosler, 115gr JHP, "Match"........................1464fps, very low ES 12

PMC, 115gr FMJ........................................1287fps

PPU, 115gr FMJ.........................................1363fps, NASTY setback in 9rds ( worst of all the setbacks ) This is the ammo that made me realize "not all ammo is equal"
PPU, 115gr FMJ NATO................................1448fps

Sellier & Bellot, 115gr FMJ.........................1340, large ES 102, smelled odd ?!
Sellier & Bellot, 115gr JHP.........................1370fps.... 5 FTF, 2 with setback

Sig Sauer, 115gr FMJ.................................1498fps
Sig Sauer, 115gr JHP V-Crown....................1462fps... NASTY setback... AGAIN, setback in my Carbine YMMV !!!

Silver Bear, 115gr FMJ ..............................1525fps
Silver Bear, 115gr FMJ ..............................................................................................................testing again, curiosity

Speer, 115gr GD.........................................1525fps, ordered another box.. surprisingly fast.
Speer, 115gr TMJ.......................................1396fps
Speer, +P 115gr TMJ..................................1382fps
Speer, +P+ 115gr GD.................................1596fps, given the "standard" pressure loads velocity, I was surprised this wasn't faster.

Tula, 115gr FMJ..........................................

Winc., 115gr FMJ.......................................1370fps
Winc., 115gr FMJ "Forged".........................1336fps, large ES 90

Wolf, 115gr FMJ Military Classic..................1352fps
Wolf, 115gr FMJ Polyperformance...............1530fps... 1st lot #,... tested twice because of the high velocities
Wolf, 115gr FMJ Polyperformance...............1410fps... 2nd different lot #,... also tested twice because of the very different lots.
Wolf, 115gr FMJ Polyperformance........................................................................................................................................

Yavex ( Turkish ) 115gr FMJ................................................................................................................................................

 

[bfoosh006]

124gr



Aguila, 124gr FMJ.................................1280fps

Armscor, 124gr FMJ...............................1234fps
Armscor, 124gr JHP...............................1208fps

Atomic, +P 124gr JHP, Match................1565fps

Buffalo Bore, +P 124gr JHP...................1470fps

CCI, 124gr Blazer Brass FMJ........................................................................................................................................

Colt 124gr JHP, by Double Tap..............1332fps , 3 FTF , 3 setback of the setbacks single loaded and fired.. 1419fps
Colt NM 124gr FMJ................................1280fps

Federal, 124gr HST...................................1335fps.. oddly a little smokey
Federal, +P 124gr HST..............................1422fps
Federal,124gr FMJ AE................................1287fps
Federal, 124gr "Suppressor".......................1145fps

Fiocchi, 124gr JHP.....................................1377fps
Fiocchi, 124gr Truncated Cone...................1292fps

HotShot 124gr FMJ....................................1210fps, dirty-smoky


Hornady, 125gr FMJ, Steel Match...............1258fps
Hornady, +P 124gr TAP FPD.....................1378fps, 2 FTF, no bullet setback
Hornady, +P 124gr XTP Amer. Gunner.......1382fps

GECO, 124gr FMJ Hungarian.....................1242fps
GECO, 124gr Copper Clad Steel Jacket, Swiss.... 1248fps... 8 ES

Independence, 124gr FMJ.......................1340fps, High ES 90

IMI 124gr FMJ........................................1325fps

Magtech, 124gr Bonded JHP...................1392fps
MagTech, 124gr FMJ..............................1328, very Low ES

MEN 124gr FMJ.....................................1310fps

PMC 124gr Starfire.................................1235fps, Honestly , I thought this would not feed... but it was perfect... soft shooting.
PMC, 124gr FMJ ....................................1195fps

Remington, +P 124gr BlackBelt GS........1398fps... 1 FTF, no setback
Remington, +P 124gr GS.......................1395fps... Perfect

S & B, 124gr FMJ, Gov. Contract RUAG...1201fps
Sellier & Belliot, 124gr FMJ...................1280fps
Sellier & Belliot, 124gr Soft Point...........1290fps

Sig Sauer, 124gr JHP V-Crown..............1430fps... nasty setback 5rds.. 5FTF.. didn't like my Colt pattern feed lips.
Sig Sauer, 124gr FMJ............................1490fps, Low ES, 12

Speer +P 124gr GD..............................1458fps
Speer 124gr GD...................................1376fps
Speer 124gr TMJ .................................1304fps

Winchester 124gr FMJ NATO................1340fps

ZVS 124gr FMJ....................................1215fps

 

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135gr, 147gr, and 158gr


Federal, +P 135gr Tactical Bonded HP......1345fps....

Hornady, 135gr Critical Duty Flexlock......1130fps, very low ES 14
Hornady, +P 135gr Critical Duty, Flex. ....1225fps.. ES 18


Aguila, 147gr FMJ, FP..............................1140fps

Armscor, 147gr FMJ................................1078fps

Atlanta Arms, 147gr JHP "Major".............1348fps.. probably uses VV3N38, so this should be fast, and it was.

AYSM, 147gr "Match"..............................998fps....

Browning, 147gr X Point.........................1122fps... 2 FTF... no bullet setback
Browning, 147gr FMJ..............................1168fps... smooth as a sewing machine...and clean burning

Federal, +P 147gr HST..........................1182fps
Federal, 147gr HST.................................1124fps
Federal, 147gr JHP "9MS".......................1132fps
Federal, 147gr FMJ "AE".........................1084fps


Fiocchi, 147gr FMJ..................................1078fps

Magtech, 147gr JHP...............................1195fps... High ES 98
Magtech, 147gr FMJ...............................1090fps

PPU, 147gr JHP...........................................................................................................................................................

Remington, 147gr FMJ............................1144fps.... slightly odd bullet profile, but no issues.

Sig Sauer, 147gr FMJ..............................1248fps
Sig Sauer, 147gr V-Crown.......................1165fps, 11rds FTF, nasty bullet setback... I am confident the V-Crown ( Sierra ) bullet is a GREAT design... but it just didn't feed in my carbine.

Silver Bear, 145gr JHP............................1052fps, 3 FTF.. no bullet setback

Speer 147gr GD ( 1st Gen ).....................1184fps... 5 FTF... no bullet setback...
Speer, 147gr TMJ....................................1182fps

Winc. 147gr FMJ Train & Defend..............1107fps.... very accurate, very clean burning, and very smooth running... My favorite 147gr carbine ammo. Hands down.
Winc. 147gr Bonded JHP ........................1167fps
Winc. 147gr FMJ, White Box.....................1098fps
Winc. 147gr, JHP, White Box....................1146fps

Wolf, 147gr JHP, "Gold"...........................970-1109.... huge ES, throughout the string


Fed. 150gr HST Micro..............................952fps, perfect feeding.... could this be a perfect subsonic HST ?

Fiocchi, 158gr FMJ..................................947fps

IMI, 158gr FMJ.......................................1018fps.... low ES 16

PPU, 158gr FMJ......................................1005fps

 

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.223 / 5.56

First off, be advised, these are velocities from my rifles... and as such there is an excellent chance that "Your Mileage May Vary".

In other words, these figures are meant for a general comparison of various OEM factory loads ( as well as some different years of production ) from the 2 same rifles throughout the testing.

Currently there is over 100+ different factory loads velocities listed.

As a double-check... I have been firing the same batch of GECO OEM loads as a "standard" to verify the chrono is up to snuff.

I will note, while some of my velocities shown may not match other results from the vast internet.... please remember that no two rifle barrels are the same. For all I know, my barrel might be a "fast" or "slow" barrel... as well as some of the other testers on the internets barrels.

This link helps explain / demonstrate, or show the dramatic differences possible in the "no two barrels are identical" phenomenon. The article is about reloading, but shows how different barrels can be, even in identical barrel length and manufacturer.

Why Ballisticians Get Gray... by Dave Andrews


Enough YMMV stuff...

Here is the info.


I will list rifle specs first....

16" BCM upper with V7 barrel ,quote.."Manufactured from Rockwell C 30-32 Hardened 416R Stainless Steel. These barrels feature 1:7 improved Polygonal Rifling, V7 Match Chamber, while being V7 Ultra-Match Lapped." ( cut n' paste... easier then me explaining ) Free Floated, BCM Gunfighter MOD 0 Comp, H2 Buffer , FA BCG.

20" PSA 5.56 NATO chamber, 410 SS, CHF, USGI A2 Free floated, FA BCG


2ea 10 shot groups... for a total of 20 rds. per rifle.... Chronograph...Competition Electronics ProChrono Digital Chronograph .... Velocities measured 15 ft from muzzle...Temp. 82-88 degrees... Elev. approx. 232 ft.

The Chrono is not the best, but has proven to show repeatable results from the same lot of GECO and Fed. Tipped Varmint, over the span of months, every time


As I add ammo.... you will see items with no data, that is because I haven't gotten time to input the data.... life really gets in the way of my shooting....

 

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54gr and below....

Brand and headstamp on brass..............................16 " Velocities ( FPS )........20" Velocities ( FPS ).........Comments......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NC means NATO CROSS


Hornady 35gr NTX Sup..............................................A v. 3585 , ES 19...............Av.3622, ES 39............

Fiocchi 223 40gr V-Max............GFL 223 REM..........Av. 3254, ES 81................Av. 3370, ES 61...............Decent accuracy 1.75 MOA...Fed Tipped Varmint much better

Fed. Red Box 40gr JHP.............FED 223 REM........Av. 3350, ES 30.................Av. 3382, ES 38...............Ok accuracy... some of the first ammo I bought... 30+ years ago NOTE This is the really old Red and White box.

Fed .223 42gr Frangible.......................BC223NTS..........................
Fed. 45gr RHT...............................................................................

Winc. 45gr JHP .223 .......Winchester 223 Rem........Av. 3059... ES 57..............Av 3180 ...ES 130............ehhhh...


Fed. AE 50gr JHP.....................FC 14 223 REM.......Av. 2959, ES 69.................Av. 3134, ES 109.............. Same type crimp, sealant & Headstamp as the GMM,... Same Brass?

Fed., AE 50gr Tipped Varmint...FC 223 REM............Av. 2943 , ES 48...............Av. 2982 , ES 34................Great accuracy in all my AR's

Rem. 50gr JHP.223 .................R-P 223 REM............Av. 3034... ES 56...............Av 3200....ES 54............... Very good accuracy

Sako 50gr FMJ 223.................SAKO 223 Rem..........Av 3207... ES 19................Av. 3338... ES 92............. Average accuracy

Winc. 50gr Frangible.......................................................................


Barnes 52gr OTM 5.56.......................................................................

Black Hills .223 52gr ...............................................Av. 2915... ES 38...............Av. 3051... ES 54...............Blue Box, consistent, good accuracy.


Horn. 53gr VMax Super.223 ... Hornady 223 REM.....Av. 3093...ES 36...............Av 3240....ES 54 .............. Good accuracy, but double the price of better , 250fps slower ammo.