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CIA spying on us? Say it ain't so
- Thread starter stefan73
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as I said before, the abc agencies need to be disbanded
Hold on.....someone's at the door....BRB.
Have they been classified as a terrorist organization yet?
Terrorist-
"a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
Terrorist-
"a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
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The same agency that JFK wanted to tear to bits?….. say it ain’t so, they are looking out for you and making sure you don’t get into trouble
School Parents are Foreign actors to the administration. Seems a lot like when the British were in control a few years back and those Tavern Terrorists signed that document.
I've watched some of his recent videos,and it is definitely so,and has been for some time...after this post they will be paying me a visit.
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There's a lot of uninformed people that read a single JFK quote and think he was some anti-deep state hero. He wasn't. He was fucking far from it. JFK (and his brother) pushed for more covert action and assassinations than any other President before him. He was just pissed that CIA botched the Bay of Pigs and made him look bad in his first 100 days as President, so he starting moving all covert action programs over to the DoD. God only knows how the lawyers justified this.
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He authorized the formation of the Green Berets to help take over the workload. He wanted the CIA gone or extremely neutered cause he didn’t agree with them having so much power or freedom. One quote was far from it. I never said he was a deep statist, just that he wanted to take the CIA and make them as useless as he could.
Edward Snowden is a hero and a patriot I don't see how anyone on the right can see otherwise.
Kennedy pulled US air support for the landing party which was a big factor in the failure. Kennedy didn’t want the appearance of us involvment. They had used the CIA to train Cuba exiles, and abandoned them.
Kennedy also didn’t want the appearance of US involvement in Vietnam. So tapped the CIA to Train tribal locals. Look up Vang Pao. This was started by Eisenhower btw.
I would agree, Kennedy was all about using the CIA to covertly promote US/anti commie agenda.
Lee Harvey Oswald, was a radar in Atsugi Japan where U-2s operated and had some knowledge of the U2(cia spy plane), traveled to live in Russia in October 1959. May 1960 powers was shot down. Always wondered if he had/gave any information that helped them do it? Of topic but always wondered.
I bet your hero sold you out to the Russians.
The Info he released was do to create exactly the hate and discontent many express. Its asinine so many people glorify what he did.
If you ever thought you digital devices were private... lol. There’s a lot more people than the NSA spying on you.
Snowden is was and always will be a traitor to this country.
I trust Russia more than our own fucked up govt right now.
The info he released was the truth about what our own govt was/is doing (spying on its own citizens) if you are ok with that then fuck you. You are part of the problem.
There is a huge difference between them having the capability to spy on us with our own digital devices and getting a court ordered tap warrant signed by a judge (you know where they have to have probable cause and provide reason/evidence why they suspect you of wrongdoing) than just blanket we will listen in on you any damn time we feel like it.
Of course they didnt have a fat dossier on him.
Anyone spying on me is wasting huge amounts of resources. Nothing happening here ....bills get paid, taxes get paid, workouts get done. Once a week to the range, and once a week Family Skype. Visit Mom on Sunday and MIL once a month. Rinse and repeat. Spying on .me? LOL....
VooDoo
VooDoo
Well I'm back....They know your weaknesses.
Free cookies...I fell for it......sheesh.
Don't let the pretty faces and Girl Scout uniforms fool you!!!!
Free cookies...I fell for it......sheesh.
Don't let the pretty faces and Girl Scout uniforms fool you!!!!
Kennedy authorized the creation of the SEAL teams, also.
My stepdad used the say that the Navy made him a UDT, Kennedy made him a SEAL.
My stepdad used the say that the Navy made him a UDT, Kennedy made him a SEAL.
what do you think , we are on a pro gun site , talking about our fire arms and willing for the most part to show picks of them in the formerly free country that used to be called America and you don't think this pro communist government wants to know what you might have with as little effort as they put into going after terrorists or real crooks hell yea they monitor all these web pages collecting data on all of us ( they would be fools not that they aren't , but to collect freely given data ) cause some of you people are dam scary with many hundreds of pounds of evil powder and primers out the ying yang and terrible bullets with your evil guns that subliminally want you to buy more and more and more . God bless the freaks that prepared for government tyranny before they cut off the available supply . and please keep the information coming I mean pics of those darn sexy AI's and older guns muskets what ever floats your boat . 
we also love cannons and machine guns ghost guns , flame throwers or other hard to find goodness ..
we also love cannons and machine guns ghost guns , flame throwers or other hard to find goodness ..
Everyone who has the whistle blown on them, calls the whistle blower a traitor.
Snowden exposed illegal activity being conducted by the government. Rather than correcting the problem or holding those who were committing the illegal acts accountable, they literally chased the whistle blower into exile.
If you think Snowden is a traitor after everything exposed at this point, you are a large part of the reason why no one in the government is ever held accountable. Bullshit tribalism at its finest.
LOL, yeah, right...
What Snowden divulged was known years before; he didn't disseminate anything that wasn't already "out there," to anyone paying attention, rather he just hit enough nerves that the culprits had to acknowledge.
A guy named, Bamford had already detailed all of it in his 2008 book called, The Shadow Factory, years before the 2013 Snowden ordeal. However, back then, it was all just, "crazy conspiracy theory." When Snowden's info came to light, it was all the exact same information that Bamford had written about: NIMD, PacketScope, Narus equipment, ThinThread, Trailblazer,PatternTracer, Agility, AMHS, Anchory, ArcView, Fastscope, Hightide, Hombase, Intelink, Octave, Document Management Center, Dishfire, CREST, Pinwale, COASTLINE, SNACKS, Cadence, Gamut, Mainway, Marina, Osis, Puzzlecube, Surrey, Tuningfork, Xkeyscore, Unified Tasking Tool, EDGE. All the same programs that Snowden's info talked about were all in Bamford's book. But Bamford was just some crazy whackjob, dismissed.
Back in the early Snowden days, I typed up a bunch of the details from Bamford's book to explain and compare Snowden's "news" that it wasn't really novel, and that Snowden's info was actually even present in some old, MSM articles. I still have my text if one really wants to know the details. As for Snowden "providing enemy comfort," that's also laughable...I have more to show how every single one of "our" major DoD contractors is selling both tech and information to everyone, including China, Iran, Russia, Pakistan, and more. This is also public information.
There are agencies and departments, employing a bunch of everyday grunts, doing the job they are tasked to do, hunt this stuff down, presumably to put the legal hammer to violators. But what happens is that the "heads in charge," ignore it. Nobody loses future contracts, nobody goes to prison, but rather, these contractors get levied hefty fines, to the tune of 9 figures. But if they don't lose future contracts, and nobody goes to prison, what do you think happens? That becomes the "cost of doing business" to the contractors and they will inevitably fold those costs into their future prices, which explains why the U.S. defense budget balloons so rapidly. We're talking about all the big ones...Raytheon, BAE Systems, Lockheed, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, L3, Boeing, etc.
I have a bunch of that info on hand too...or you can find it yourself through online searches for ITAR violations and posts about DOD Inspector General, Department of State, Department of Justic and legal firm Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson LLP web sites all post about DoD contractors, thousands of cases of illegally releasing tech, tactics, software, hardware, weapons to prohibited foreign countries and many 'unidentified' parties. Even some articles from places like ABC news and such like dodig.mil, and militaryaerospace.com have old articles talking about some of them.
I personally think he’s a theif, and just as bad as the rest of them. If not worse.
Definitely not someone to be glorified.
Definitely not someone to be glorified.
I've been operating as though they are listening to every word I say. However i'm not operating in a manner against the country, or interested in doing something intentionally to hurt folks, or to make a statement. I just want to paint guns, put my kids through school, then live in a van down by the river, and wash my hands of the outside world as much as I possibly can.
Knowing too much makes me angry. Rude and entitled people make me angry. I don't like the thoughts, or feelings I have when the anger sharks are swimming. It's better for me, to be as ignorant as possible, and as uninformed as possible, which I still fail to do from time to time.
Branden
Knowing too much makes me angry. Rude and entitled people make me angry. I don't like the thoughts, or feelings I have when the anger sharks are swimming. It's better for me, to be as ignorant as possible, and as uninformed as possible, which I still fail to do from time to time.
Branden
There is a big difference between being a “whistleblower” and stealing bunch of classified documents and running off to a foreign country with them. Pointing out/ whistleblowing on prism. Doesn’t make what he stole justified or ok.
He knew what he was doing by releasing info on prism which swayed opinion. I am perplexed that many seemed to over look the danger to this country of what he took. That I can not agree with.
He weren’t no hero. More like a broken analog clock, he got 1 point right but the rest of the day, on average was very wrong.
He knew what he was doing by releasing info on prism which swayed opinion. I am perplexed that many seemed to over look the danger to this country of what he took. That I can not agree with.
He weren’t no hero. More like a broken analog clock, he got 1 point right but the rest of the day, on average was very wrong.
As someone pointed out, the information he released had already been discussed and disclosed. The first person was discounted as a conspiracy theorist. So he took evidence to prove the NSA was breaking the law.
And he only went to a foreign country because he knew exactly what the government would do. It would break its own laws, ignore established whistle blower protections and lock him up. Which is exactly what they want to do.
That's because he isn't a whistleblower. He just blanket dumped thousands of classified documents. He dumped a lot more info than just domestic-focused programs, and the indiscriminate release of that information put national security and people's lives at risk. Fuck him.
I believe he took a lot more than whats been covered in this thread.
Had he not downloaded/stolen a bunch of information, the bulk of it not pertaining to PRISM, it would not have been a big deal. Had he quit his job then came out about Prism, that’s completely different and I would have a different opinion of him. But, that is not what he did and I don’t believe was his main goal. He breached security, stole and ran with a ton of information on clandestine operations all around the world putting multiple programs and lives at risk. Had he not done that, I don’t believe there is much they could do to punish him and if they did it be pretty light. He probably would’ve already served his sentence if any and be out free.
I know this country isn’t perfect and people do abuse power but properly used this intelligence is what gives us as a collective edge in the world. It is important and he threw the proverbial wrench in the gear box.
The other thing I don’t like about him is his face and his eyes. When I listen to and watch him talk he just looks like he’s lying and completely full of shit.
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Where exactly did he dump this data? I remember him working with journalist only releasing scrubbed information exposing the surveillance programs. Are you thinking of Manning?
You are correct. In the beginning, Greenwald said they would continue sifting and possibly release more, but to my knowledge, they still have not released the bulk of Snowden's information, to this day.
Also, because of Snowden's information, there was a case brought against Verizon and Obama in Federal court (judge for the case was Leon), where Leon's initial findings were that Verizon and gov. actions were probably unconstitutional, but I believe it was appealed and I've not seen anymore on that case since. During the trial, the gov. asserted that they were following correct FISA protocols, but the judge rebutted that all the evidence in the trial showed that the gov. deliberately misled the FISA courts and even offered the gov. to provide further evidence that they could show just him, the judge, "in camera" meaning nobody else would see it, to prove, but they declined. In Leon's written ruling, he goes off on the gov., that they were essentially liars and acting against the Constitution. Anyway, that's what I remember so far...
And I believe Leons decision was overruled in appeal.
PRISM is small potatoes... its nothing. It’s the hundreds of thousands of other documents he stole. He’s a traitor and I don’t trust him or anything he says.
PRISM is small potatoes... its nothing. It’s the hundreds of thousands of other documents he stole. He’s a traitor and I don’t trust him or anything he says.
Isn't that the same James Clapper that testified under oath to the US Senate that the NSA was NOT collecting data of US Citizens? I mean I honestly lost count of how many times these guys lied to Congress under oath. Its really hard to keep track of.
^^^^^^ precisely and the "valued partners" are the 5 eyes countries that colluded with the Dems. to go along with the lies spewed by Crapper and his minions mostly UK and AU as they tried to jam Trump up after the election with the Russia BS. The lies will never stop, it's always to protect the children remember!!
And what they (nsa) were doing-
They didn’t provide sufficient evidence that they had actually crossed that line at this point.
Again, its not PRISM( guberment domestic phone records keeping) that makes me dis like and consider him a traitor.
Its everything else he stole, which many of you seem to ignore. Like a broken clock, I wouldn’t trust it to tell me what time it is
They didn’t provide sufficient evidence that they had actually crossed that line at this point.
Again, its not PRISM( guberment domestic phone records keeping) that makes me dis like and consider him a traitor.
Its everything else he stole, which many of you seem to ignore. Like a broken clock, I wouldn’t trust it to tell me what time it is
We're not ignoring it; we just don't believe it, because the only people saying such are known, proven liars, like Clapper. It's ironic when someone invokes Clapper to show why they distrust Snowden...made me laugh anyway.
