Ciener .22lr Kit work in a Gas Piston Upper?

[DirtyJoe]

Anyone know if a Ciener kit or the Spike's Tactical version of this kit can be used in a gas piston .223 upper?

I know the .22 is a pretty dirty round to fire. Does using one of these kits get the really nasty fouling coated into the gas tube of a direct inpingement AR?

Does the Spike's Tactical kit that resembles the Ciener kit allow you to plug up any of the AR gas tube system to clean the gas tube clean? I did not quite understand all they were talking about in their website.

Thank you.

 

[PLeighton]

Re: Ciener .22lr Kit work in a Gas Piston Upper?

The spikes kit comes with a plug for the gas system.
(It is pretty much just a solid piece of rod that fits into the gas block.)
You need to remove the gas tube to use it though.

The alternative is to replace the BCG after a few hundred .22 rounds and run some 5.56mm.
This will blow all the crap out, but it makes a big mess.

I don't know for sure whether or not you can use the kit in a piston upper or not, but I would think that unless you have one that you can turn off the gas there would be problems with the operating rod being pushed rearward without having anything to contact.

 

[mrpink]

Re: Ciener .22lr Kit work in a Gas Piston Upper?

With a 5.56 gas piston upper, the 22LR will not utilize the piston to cycle the action. 22LR conversions are blowback operated.

 

[Chiller]

Re: Ciener .22lr Kit work in a Gas Piston Upper?

The alternative would be to get a dedicated Spikes upper.

 

[Jerz_Subbie]

Re: Ciener .22lr Kit work in a Gas Piston Upper?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrPink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With a 5.56 gas piston upper, the 22LR will not utilize the piston to cycle the action. 22LR conversions are blowback operated. </div></div>

This. It shouldn't matter DI or piston because .22 is blowback. You just won't have to worry about dirtying your gas tube like a DI.

 

[Arch]

Re: Ciener .22lr Kit work in a Gas Piston Upper?

On a similiar note, is there a comprehensive site or thread that goes into details about .22 conversion kits. I am considering one for 1911 and M4...thanks in advance.

 

[Outsydlooknin75]

Re: Ciener .22lr Kit work in a Gas Piston Upper?

41, you can try looking over on rimfirecentral.com, the 1911 forums usually have a section dedicated to conversion kits, and ar15.com has a section dedicated to conversions not just rimfire but pistol calibers as well.

But basically this is my suggestion, the Ceiner kit for either will work, Ceiner is an asshole and customer service is null and void with him.

Most of the conversion kits for an AR are built off the old Atchison design, which is good. CMMG, and Spikes Tactical both offer their versions of a conversion kit. Either one is roughly 200 bucks with one mag.

Spikes and Tactical Solutions offers a complete dedicated upper for the AR platform as well and that would be my suggestion, its a proper twist and size barrel. Pop two pins drop on the upper and go shoot. They are more than the conversion kit and run about 600 and up.

If you get an atchison designed conversion kit call BlackDog Machine and order some of they mags, you wont be sorry.

Now here is a downside of any conversion for the AR platform, wether you get a dedicated upper or just a drop in. No last round bolt hold open, or a way to lock the bolt back.

1911 conversions, I would look into an Advantage Arms conversion or the Tac Sol conversion. They are the only conversions that I know of that will lock the slide back on the last round. Unfortunately the Tac Sol mags are about 60 bucks each, and the AA mags are only about 25 each just hard as fuck to find and either of them are only 10 round mags.

Ceiner makes a conversion for the 1911 as well but it has fixed sights on it. Kimber also makes a kit now, the older kits were simply rebranded ceiners.

The 1911 kits will replace the slide and barrel as a unit. Take the 45 slide off, put the 22 slide on, go shoot.

ANY of the conversions can be picky with ammo, the Spikes AR conversion or dedicated is test fired with Federal Bulk before it leaves. Advantage Arms kits are suggested to run with remington Golden bullet.

I have a Ceiner kit and it took a little tweaking to get it to run properly but it runs flawless now for me on semi with Winchester 333 pack from Walmart.

If you have any more questions let me know and Ill see what I can do to answer any of them.

 

[Hellbender]

Re: Ciener .22lr Kit work in a Gas Piston Upper?

You need to check with the manufacturer of your upper, the piston system may clog badly with the nasty .22 residue and cause problems.

Also, the operating rod may extend too far into the upper receiver and interfere with or damage the kit.


HTH,
HB

 

[Comber]

Re: Ciener .22lr Kit work in a Gas Piston Upper?

A slight necroposting but on topic.

The Ciener kit will NOT fit in a HK 416, its close but no cigar. It may or may not be facilitaded by removing some material at the front end of the bolt carrier, but as to the feasability of doing that, I have no idea..

 

[Phylodog]

Re: Ciener .22lr Kit work in a Gas Piston Upper?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsydlooknin75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now here is a downside of any conversion for the AR platform, wether you get a dedicated upper or just a drop in. No last round bolt hold open, or a way to lock the bolt back.

</div></div>

My Black Dog mags provide a last round hold open with my Ceiner kit. Bolt drops when the mag is dropped but it does hold the bolt to the rear.