Civil War

[ZiaHunter]

How do civil wars happen?

Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can’t settle the question through elections because they don’t even agree that elections are how you decide who’s in charge.

That’s the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it’s not the first time they’ve done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn’t really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There’s a pattern here.

What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don’t accept the results of any election that they don’t win. It means they don’t believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.

That’s a civil war.

There’s no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.

This isn’t dissent. It’s not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they’re the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don’t win, what you want is a dictatorship.

Your very own dictatorship.

The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it’s inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can’t scratch his own back without his say so, that’s the civil war.

Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that’s not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.

If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He’s a dictator.

But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can’t do anything. He isn’t even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has “discretion” to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn’t even have the “discretion” to reverse him. That’s how the game is played. That’s how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn’t yet won that particular fight.

When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren’t even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn’t allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

The Constitution has something to say about that.

Whether it’s Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.

Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can’t serve in if you’re not a member. If you haven’t been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren’t in the club. And Trump isn’t in the club. He brought in a bunch of people with him who aren’t in the club.

Now we’re seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.

That’s not a free country.

It’s not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an “insurance policy” against Trump winning the election. It’s not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It’s not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It’s not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn’t supposed to win.

Have no doubt, we’re in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.

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[Tnc]

Bravo sir. Well said

 

[ZiaHunter]

Not my words but forwarded by a good friend and USMC Viet Nam vet.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Agreed! So, what do you do about it? Everyone knows the problem, what’s the solution?

 

[SquarePizza]

Well, the democrats are making it obvious that voting will not be the solution, since they have instituted checks and balances (lower court judges) to ensure they can block anything that they did not pass.

It appears it would be a generation to get rid of all of them, but even replacing them with republican judges, that is still making a court appointment a political tool instead of a tool of unbiased law. So that doesn't really fix the problem.

 

[Limedust]

Let's not pretend that obstructionism, gerrymandering, court-packing, and executive decisions are the tools of one party. The above essay neatly elides a whole host of facts that prove our political class is primarily composed of self-interested, power-hungry, greedy scum who will do anything they can to keep their power to line their own pockets.

 

[fx77]

There is no fair and no justice...Dems play by one rule win/power
soon as they take charge every vote will be 51% in the senate, Trump will be surely impeached should the house become Dem...no future for this country short of a coup

 

[Fig]

It's not a civil war...yet, but it is "Lawfare" (their term, not mine) and a propaganda war. It's leftists using every crackpot, no-commonsense, legal theory to sue, threaten, and bankrupt anything that isn't progressive or communist. There is no question there is an active Lawfare coup being carried out before our eyes right on TV. Mueller should have been done months and months ago. He's not because he'll simply keep this going till he finds some shred he can make a case, no matter how weak, out of.

 

[rocklinux]

We're inching to civil war every day. Perhaps its just starting in different ways this time but every step is one step closer from words, to laws (progressivism), to actual war.

 

[Frankly]

That boiling frog story is in play... at first it's a warm bath and slowly the heat is increased until you end up getting stewed. We see all kinds of outrageous liberal excess everyday but no single incident is enough to get us to throw down and risk life and livelihood not just your own but all of your family. Meanwhile they'll slowly disarm us, indoctrinate our wives and kids, and threaten our employers and businesses.

My argument is that this is cyclical and inevitable, once an empire becomes large and prosperous the people become lazy, dumb, and overly generous. When you have 30 million illegal immigrants and 3-4 million per year legal immigrants flowing in and having 5x more babies than any citizens... this is inevitable.

Better to take all that revolutionary Civil War energy and apply it towards making money and moving to a conservative rural state where the effects of this decadence and liberal stupidity will be minimized. The nation is lost, the results are baked into the demographics, but perhaps we could save a few places like Wyoming, the Dakotas, Idaho, etc.

Make Montana unfriendly to Californians and Ted Turner types, burn a couple of state universities down... Nice achievable goals.

 

[Fig]

 

[Fig]

Imagine what would happen to the rest of the free world if we were suddenly taken off the board by a civil war...

You think Europe could defend itself against Russia? Maybe Great Britain, but only because they're an island. The rest would probably be smoked in weeks. You think Japan could defend itself against China? If we fight here the whole world burns. We're the only thing keeping the majority of the wolves at bay. The only people who wouldn't notice are the Africans.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I live in one of the most, if not the most conservative state in the country and in the last few years lefties have been pouring in this state and changing the landscape. This was one of the last free states and even it is going down! There is nowhere left to run. This is it. We make a stand or we go out and watch the country go down, it’s your choice but doing nothing, like so many of us do, is not going to be an option this time. The ship is sinking, fast.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Imagine what would happen to the rest of the free world if we were suddenly taken off the board by a civil war...

You think Europe could defend itself against Russia? Maybe Great Britain, but only because they're an island. The rest would probably be smoked in weeks. You think Japan could defend itself against China? If we fight here the whole world burns. We're the only thing keeping the majority of the wolves at bay. The only people who wouldn't notice are the Africans.

Yes, so either “they” won’t allow it or the whole world burns with us. Either the lefties and commies have a deathwish or are too stupid to see what you are pointing out. Yes, I agree if we start it here, either there will be a world war the likes of which we have never seen before or someone will simply invade us while we are down and that will be the end of it. Or, option 3 is we just all let all of this go and embrace the new utopia (aka actual slaves) to the power hungry. It’s going to be one of the three.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Imagine what would happen to the rest of the free world if we were suddenly taken off the board by a civil war...

You think Europe could defend itself against Russia? Maybe Great Britain, but only because they're an island. The rest would probably be smoked in weeks. You think Japan could defend itself against China? If we fight here the whole world burns. We're the only thing keeping the majority of the wolves at bay. The only people who wouldn't notice are the Africans.

It would be a great incentive for the Russians and the Chinese to help with fomenting trouble here.
(some people claim they are busy doing that online every day, but I'm not going to guess if that is true or not).

Japan I think would be fine, as if they have to, they can probably have Nuclear ICBMs in a couple months tops (probably less).

The good news is probably the Middle east can fight each other into a wasteland without us & Israel will probably solve all it's "problems" with generous nuking of the surrounding area.

China would definitely invade Taiwan and probably start a war with Vietnam and possibly some light nuking with India.

Russia would probably grab the Ukraine and a couple smaller areas and then basically flex it's muscles on the rest of Europe to get them to do as they want.

 

[Fig]

It would be a great incentive for the Russians and the Chinese to help with fomenting trouble here.
(some people claim they are busy doing that online every day, but I'm not going to guess if that is true or not).

Japan I think would be fine, as if they have to, they can probably have Nuclear ICBMs in a couple months tops (probably less).

The good news is probably the Middle east can fight each other into a wasteland without us & Israel will probably solve all it's "problems" with generous nuking of the surrounding area.

China would definitely invade Taiwan and probably start a war with Vietnam and possibly some light nuking with India.

Russia would probably grab the Ukraine and a couple smaller areas and then basically flex it's muscles on the rest of Europe to get them to do as they want.

I think China could blockade Japan and bring it to it's knees quickly. South Korea may fall, and certainly they would take SE Asia absent any consequences.
I agree that Israel could hold their enemies off like they always have.
I disagree that Russia would not retake all their satellites and all or most of Western Europe. They're doing it right now piecemeal.

 

[Rthur]

Imagine what would happen to the rest of the free world if we were suddenly taken off the board by a civil war...

You think Europe could defend itself against Russia? Maybe Great Britain, but only because they're an island. The rest would probably be smoked in weeks. You think Japan could defend itself against China? If we fight here the whole world burns. We're the only thing keeping the majority of the wolves at bay. The only people who wouldn't notice are the Africans.

You say that like it isn't an intended goal.

R

 

[srtsam]

As I stated some time ago. We are losing ground for many reasons. Shadow gov't, media, immigrints, etc...I suggested split this country in half (ideologically). Left gets one side and right gets the other.
It would give both sides a place of their "own" to go. It should at be least explored. Defense of the nation would not change
infrastructure would not change. Local gov't would be the same just a different cast of characters running their areas. Potus would still be Potus. Each side would elect their own Regional Governor, ( or whatever you want to call him or her) and they would run their side according to their beliefs and principles they feel so strongly about. Nobody HAS to move but if they live in area they don't like or agree with they deal with it by following that part of the country's laws, OR make preparations to move to their ideal part of this country. Crazy right????
It kind of exists already. We use the phrases like behind enemy lines, behind the wall, occupied territory etc....How many of us that live in predominately blue states want to move to the "free" part of this country namely the south and the west. For me TN looks just dandy. Anyway, Just make it formal and people can get back to living their lives and stop attacking each other. Let the left create their Utopia the claim can exist in this world. Those of us on the right can live the way we want. And yes, More then likely, the left side will disarm its citizens happily, devour itself, and crumble from its unreal domestic policies. but it should be encouraged. They might make it work. There are many people a lot smarter than me that believe in this lifestyle. They believe it can and will work. Well.......Give it to them. In the process we get reduced gov't on our side, reduced taxes, (we're no longer supporting millions on welfare programs designed to ruin the economy), population reduction to some degree, etc....

I think we as a nation are in a new paradigm in that the veil of decency and morality has be removed forever and there is no hope of the two sides coming to agreement and understanding.
This is a way of picking up the pieces and giving both sides a goal to work for.

 

[pitdog85]

Imagine what would happen to the rest of the free world if we were suddenly taken off the board by a civil war...

You think Europe could defend itself against Russia? Maybe Great Britain, but only because they're an island. The rest would probably be smoked in weeks. You think Japan could defend itself against China? If we fight here the whole world burns. We're the only thing keeping the majority of the wolves at bay. The only people who wouldn't notice are the Africans.

I think Russia most likely takes all of western Europe without the US backing I seriously doubt even GB being an island can save them from the red army. Looking at history of WW2 once that red army got rolling the only way to stop it was the US bailing out the wester allies. Stallin would have taken the lot. China takes all of SE asia and the S pacific including us down here in Australia without US backing.

 

[SilentStalkr]

^^^^ The new countries if the world would be Russia, China, America and Australia. Hmmmmm

 

[Frankly]

Why shouldn’t Russia and China control their own spheres of influence? They’re smart, strong and powerful. Why should we fight to protect people who haven’t the wherewithal to defend themselves?

Also, what’s the point of attacking your customers and sinking the economy?

If we have a fighting Civil War then China’s economy tanks because stop buying Walmart crap. And why would Russia want to invade and deal with 100 million liberal bums? Putin is too smart for that.

 

[ArmyJerry]

france and england are nuke armed. I think Japan Taiwan and S Korea would contain China if their hand was forced.

I think Russia most likely takes all of western Europe without the US backing I seriously doubt even GB being an island can save them from the red army. Looking at history of WW2 once that red army got rolling the only way to stop it was the US bailing out the wester allies. Stallin would have taken the lot. China takes all of SE asia and the S pacific including us down here in Australia without US backing.

 

[pitdog85]

france and england are nuke armed. I tghink china taiwan and s korea would contain china if their hand was forced.

Do you reckon the UK or france would even try to threaten Russia with their nukes considering the nuclear capacity Russia has if pushed?? Bit like the chiauwawa taking on the pitbull I think.

 

[Frankly]

Do you reckon the UK or france would even try to threaten Russia with their nukes considering the nuclear capacity Russia has if pushed?? Bit like the chiauwawa taking on the pitbull I think.

Why would Russia want the UK or France? Why would an intelligent, strong, Christian country want more Muslims and lazy welfare cases?

Instead Russia can sell them energy and sit back and let the diseased and corrupt EU collapse on its own.

The ironic thing is that Russia may be the last bastion of liberty and common sense. Far more than here or Europe.

There is no reason for Russia to take over the EU, which would be a burden not an asset.

And besides, we've bailed out Europe from two World Wars and then provided their defense for 70 years. American blood and treasure. And yet a lot of Europeans hate us. F*$K em.

Really, stop listening to Col Ralph Peters. He's a NeoCon not a Conservative.

 

[pitdog85]

Why would Russia want the UK or France? Why would an intelligent, strong, Christian country want more Muslims and lazy welfare cases?

Instead Russia can sell them energy and sit back and let the diseased and corrupt EU collapse on its own.

The ironic thing is that Russia may be the last bastion of liberty and common sense. Far more than here or Europe.

There is no reason for Russia to take over the EU, which would be a burden not an asset.

And besides, we've bailed out Europe from two World Wars and then provided their defense for 70 years. American blood and treasure. And yet a lot of Europeans hate us. F*$K em.

Really, stop listening to Col Ralph Peters. He's a NeoCon not a Conservative.

Actually you make a lot of very very valid points. You bailed us out down here in Australia as well and whilst there are many communist lefist faggots here that hate on America for various reasons fu^Ked up reasons there are many many of us still here have the utmost respect for the US and realise that we would all be speaking Jap here if you guys didn't bail us out. Although looking at the way things are headed here maybe it wouldn't have been a bad thing if japan invaded they seem to have more common sense then most here...

 

[Frankly]

Actually you make a lot of very very valid points. You bailed us out down here in Australia as well and whilst there are many communist lefist faggots here that hate on America for various reasons fu^Ked up reasons there are many many of us still here have the utmost respect for the US and realise that we would all be speaking Jap here if you guys didn't bail us out. Although looking at the way things are headed here maybe it wouldn't have been a bad thing if japan invaded they seem to have more common sense then most here...

Thank you. I didn’t realize you are Down Under... I respect the Japanese - notice they have almost zero immigration - but had they won WW2 I doubt they’d be treating the White losers nearly as well as we treated them.

I’ve been to China several times and they still hate the Japanese, I’m not sure what will happen there. But I also don’t see why we have to fight in Korea for 70 years?

 

[7.62willdo]

Idaho-astan is gone the governments been moving Iraqis and Afghanis into Boise for several years now..... there’s parts of it that look like downtown Baghdad

That boiling frog story is in play... at first it's a warm bath and slowly the heat is increased until you end up getting stewed. We see all kinds of outrageous liberal excess everyday but no single incident is enough to get us to throw down and risk life and livelihood not just your own but all of your family. Meanwhile they'll slowly disarm us, indoctrinate our wives and kids, and threaten our employers and businesses.

My argument is that this is cyclical and inevitable, once an empire becomes large and prosperous the people become lazy, dumb, and overly generous. When you have 30 million illegal immigrants and 3-4 million per year legal immigrants flowing in and having 5x more babies than any citizens... this is inevitable.

Better to take all that revolutionary Civil War energy and apply it towards making money and moving to a conservative rural state where the effects of this decadence and liberal stupidity will be minimized. The nation is lost, the results are baked into the demographics, but perhaps we could save a few places like Wyoming, the Dakotas, Idaho, etc.

Make Montana unfriendly to Californians and Ted Turner types, burn a couple of state universities down... Nice achievable goals.

 

[SilentStalkr]

^^^^You being serious or you just trying to keep people out? Lmao!! It wouldn’t surprise me tho. Damn, they just doing all they can to destroy this country.

 

[Alphatreedog]

As I stated some time ago. We are losing ground for many reasons. Shadow gov't, media, immigrints, etc...I suggested split this country in half (ideologically). Left gets one side and right gets the other.
It would give both sides a place of their "own" to go. It should at be least explored. Defense of the nation would not change
infrastructure would not change. Local gov't would be the same just a different cast of characters running their areas. Potus would still be Potus. Each side would elect their own Regional Governor, ( or whatever you want to call him or her) and they would run their side according to their beliefs and principles they feel so strongly about. Nobody HAS to move but if they live in area they don't like or agree with they deal with it by following that part of the country's laws, OR make preparations to move to their ideal part of this country. Crazy right????
It kind of exists already. We use the phrases like behind enemy lines, behind the wall, occupied territory etc....How many of us that live in predominately blue states want to move to the "free" part of this country namely the south and the west. For me TN looks just dandy. Anyway, Just make it formal and people can get back to living their lives and stop attacking each other. Let the left create their Utopia the claim can exist in this world. Those of us on the right can live the way we want. And yes, More then likely, the left side will disarm its citizens happily, devour itself, and crumble from its unreal domestic policies. but it should be encouraged. They might make it work. There are many people a lot smarter than me that believe in this lifestyle. They believe it can and will work. Well.......Give it to them. In the process we get reduced gov't on our side, reduced taxes, (we're no longer supporting millions on welfare programs designed to ruin the economy), population reduction to some degree, etc....

I think we as a nation are in a new paradigm in that the veil of decency and morality has be removed forever and there is no hope of the two sides coming to agreement and understanding.
This is a way of picking up the pieces and giving both sides a goal to work for.

Would never happen because the socialist want it all .

 

[Frankly]

@Frankly. God talk but we are past that. Short term solutions will get us nowhere and that’s what I have come to realize. There’s no going to a quiet state where liberalism is minimal. They grow like weeds. We will in the same spot in the next 20-30 years if that Ben the case. 30 million illegal immigrant will shutdown other countries but we sustain the injuries and we move on. Moon worshippers come here to enact their barbaric way of life but we allow it, it’s time to cut the weeds off at the root level. A civil war will get them all packing and the ones that are still around, well........ it time for politicians to remember that we vote them in office. We are the government and they serve us. Long term brother, long term.

What I am saying is that our American culture is rotten. You and others in the shooting community aren't rotten, I'm sure there are millions of patriotic, bright, positive Americans who are self aware, thoughtful, conservatives and nationalists. BUT there are 10x liberal Marxist spoilt pussies out there voting and whining for policies that diminish us and our nation. Then we have a broken political system that no longer has any checks or balances built to ensure they stay in power forever.

Even if we did "take back America" we'd have a majority population that hates us for doing so. And then what? Do we "reeducate" them like the Chinese tried, sending them out into the farm fields? Or do we just shoot them?

Change has to come from within. And while I see a glimmer of hope coming from the youngest generation Z kids, who are rebelling by being conservative, the vast majority are still unwitting Marxist Socialist goofballs.

Remember the student protests and violence in the 60s? Not very effective. But was effective was for them to infect nearly every college professor and then most school teacher, government administrator, all of our institutions. It took another 50 years but they succeeded.

Unfortunately a successful revolution to "Take Back America" is a long term proposition and it starts by educating the young. Your five year old is the revolutionary hero, not you.

In the meantime you and yours need to have the resources to withstand all the BS that'll be coming down the pike. Why earning and saving $$$ and shoring up your personal resources and inventory is the important first step. Not that you shouldn't train and prep but any battles are a lot further down the road.

 

[Frankly]

Russian has wanted war for a long time, they long for it. Taking Ukraine is 100% sure.

China has a score to settle with japan so that’s gonna be nasty and China will win.

Nk and sk are little fishes.

The moon worshipper will side with whoever attacks the US.

Israel ?? will defend its own 100%.

African will sleep and shit In peace like nothing us happening

Russia has always dominated the Ukraine, longer than we've been a nation. Why are we interfering? Right now there is a corrupt kleptocracy running the Ukraine that we and the EU supported. Remember when the USSR collapsed we promised to keep NATO at the current levels. Instead NATO is surrounding Russia with missiles. After the USA and NATO looted all of the privatizing energy industry. Remember what a boob Boris Yeltsin was, how he let the Russian people get ripped off and suffer.

Same with China and Mongolia and Tibet. Not pretty or right but it's their neighbors, not ours.

Sorry I like Putin and Russia, he brought the average Russian's standard of living up by a factor of ten and made the people proud of their country again. Any country that promotes White People, Chistianity, and hates the Leftist, Liberal cultural Marxist bullshit is a good thing... and you can't say the same about the EU or USA nowadays.

As for China, yes they want to dominate and they will. But they'll be Japan's biggest trading partner. Why would either side want to destroy the other? I have an ex-wife I don't care for but I don't want to destroy her....

 

[ArmyJerry]

So Mr Short Sighted, where do you ask them to stop absorbing neighbors, the Alaska and Hawaii Border? You sound like Sarac ferkrissake, are you an actual Russia bot?

Russia has always dominated the Ukraine, longer than we've been a nation. Why are we interfering? Right now there is a corrupt kleptocracy running the Ukraine that we and the EU supported. Remember when the USSR collapsed we promised to keep NATO at the current levels. Instead NATO is surrounding Russia with missiles. After the USA and NATO looted all of the privatizing energy industry. Remember what a boob Boris Yeltsin was, how he let the Russian people get ripped off and suffer.

Same with China and Mongolia and Tibet. Not pretty or right but it's their neighbors, not ours.

Sorry I like Putin and Russia, he brought the average Russian's standard of living up by a factor of ten and made the people proud of their country again. Any country that promotes White People, Chistianity, and hates the Leftist, Liberal cultural Marxist bullshit is a good thing... and you can't say the same about the EU or USA nowadays.

As for China, yes they want to dominate and they will. But they'll be Japan's biggest trading partner. Why would either side want to destroy the other? I have an ex-wife I don't care for but I don't want to destroy her....

 

[SilentStalkr]

Well, nobody has kicked it off yet. That’s a good sign. Vermont has now gone the way of NY tho.