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What do you see that could be a problem if this barrel were to be shot, and if it was even possible to be shot?
It was ordered at the beginning of January, and it was delivered on 02/03/23. And what information do you have on what's going on at CLE? Thanks.When did you order it and when was it delivered? With CLE shutting down at least some of their operations and certain key people moving on, I hope it's not a sign for those who were promised delivery at the end of what ever is happening there.
Mine won't even headspace....View attachment 8342552View attachment 8342554I have a similar problem with the CLE Krieger I just recieved. There is freebore on one side and land all the way the start of the throat on the opposite side. I politely emailed about it, and Conrad said there is nothing wrong with that, its only a few tenths off.
I did the math, in order for that 1.25 deg lead to be off center as shown in the pic, the throat area would have to be a minimum of .0014" off center, or .0028 TIR. By the looks of it I would say its worse if anything.
Obviously this isnt the quality I expected paying $620 for a CLE Krieger. Hope you have better luck than I have so far getting Conrad to stand behind it.
pm meYou guys can send these CLE Krieger's to me for proper disposal
reverse credit card order. no reason to waste time dealing when they clearly dont give a fuckView attachment 8342552View attachment 8342554I have a similar problem with the CLE Krieger I just recieved. There is freebore on one side and land all the way the start of the throat on the opposite side. I politely emailed about it, and Conrad said there is nothing wrong with that, its only a few tenths off.
I did the math, in order for that 1.25 deg lead to be off center as shown in the pic, the throat area would have to be a minimum of .0014" off center, or .0028 TIR. By the looks of it I would say its worse if anything.
Obviously this isnt the quality I expected paying $620 for a CLE Krieger. Hope you have better luck than I have so far getting Conrad to stand behind it.
I would cancel it if you can. I thought about it when I heard they were going out, wish I woulda.This is disappointing.
Signed,
Guy waiting on a Krieger from CLE
They cant really argue with that. You going to try to get a refund or have them fix it?Mine won't even headspace....
Do you think a few turns with a throater reamer would clean this up and get it to shoot to it's potential?It's possible only a rougher was used.
Specifically the one Greaseguns hasDo you think a few turns with a throater reamer would clean this up and get it to shoot to it's potential?
If only a rougher was used the chamber is undersized. It's possible if a finish reamer was used. Something is going on though; that's not a Wylde freebore for sure.Do you think a few turns with a throater reamer would clean this up and get it to shoot to it's potential?
I had to email, they wont answer phone and wont return a callI just tried calling CLE, and their phone is rolling directly to voice mail.
Both the .223 and 5.56 NATO GO.Which headspace gauge test failed?
Easier said than done. CLE requested a check for payment.Just do a CC Chargeback. It's not the customer's responsibility to have to dick around and clean up CLE's mess. PARTICULARLY if they're ghosting everyone.
That's unfortunate, sorry to hear that.Easier said than done. CLE requested a check for payment.
That's what I assumed. You're in a tough situation. At this point, would you want CLE to attempt to fix the barrel? I'm not sure that I would, not knowing who is left there doing the work. I would be looking for a full (return barrel) or partial (have corrected elsewhere) refund, but I doubt that either will happen. Other than runout, it's not a difficult job to correct, and it might be less aggravating in the long run to pay someone qualified to do it. Good luck.Both the .223 and 5.56 NATO GO.
Excellent news. I may have to modify my post above.....Good news!!! Conrad replied to my email and sent a return shipping label. So far so good, and hopefully he will follow through.
Great news, good for both of you guys. And, good for CLE for taking care of you.I suddenly recieved an email just now from CLE. They are taking my barrel back. Im guessing the publicity here on the hide got thier attention or they just had a sudden change of heart.
OP, hope you get your problem resolved as well, definitely email them.
Edit: I see they responded to you as well thankfully.
It's always been my understanding that the diameter of the freebore should be slightly larger than the diameter of the bore.If that is considered a consistent result with their reamer and barrel combination, it would be ideal to have a reamer made that cuts a larger freebore diameter for clearance. I think I would prefer more clearance in a gas gun since they tend to run dirtier anyway. The old 308 Win has a freebore diameter of .310, I've never considered it an issue being .002" over nominal bullet diameter.
I believe all freebores are a minimum of the groove diameter. 308 Win freebore is .310, but the 223 Rem are closer or at groove dia.It's always been my understanding that the diameter of the freebore should be slightly larger than the diameter of the bore.
UPDATE: CLE sent the barrel back, and said that there’s nothing wrong with the barrel. In their defense, I was able to go through several bolts and finally found one that did headspace. However from my perspective there’s still a problem with the chamber as I don’t visually and functionally see any free bore. And I know what a free bore should look like.
Here’s the email replay from Conrad:
“I have inspected your barrel and it’s fine, your bolt headspaces fine and your free bore is fine. 77 grn Black Hills chambers fine with no marks on the bullet. The free bore is the same diameter as the bore and with tolerances between the bushing and bore and the bushing and reamer they usually don’t cut all the way around. One or two out of twenty might clean up, so pretty much every barrel that leaves here looks like yours, it only takes a couple of tenths difference in groove depth to not cut even. I would advise you install the barrel and have fun with it. Also, by the time it’s broken in, the throat will be even.
Conrad”
If there's a way to load a video on here, let me know as I took a video using the 5.56 NATO, .223 Wylde, and .223 chamber gauges in this barrel. I can always email the video to those that might be interested.
All of the function gauges stick with the .223 being less sticky and the 5.56 completely sticks. This is a fail in my world, as all of these gauges should free fall out of the barrel. A correctly cut .223 Wylde chamber should pass all 5.56 gauges.
I've attached a picture of the gauges used. Left to right: 5.56 NATO, .223 Wylde, .223 Rem.
If I’m missing something here, please chime in…