Communist gets "other-than-honorable" discharge

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John Kerry for my childrens generation...

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This character is pretty much done in life. He will never have any sort of prosperous employment that any typical West Point graduate and US Army officer would have had, or even what most any college graduate could have had. He's poison to any place he works at that isn't socialist based because he's a PR nightmare in the social media age. He resigned his commission and got himself an OTH discharge, putting him in the same category as every service member who was kicked out for DUI , domestic and/or drug abuse, AWOL/UA junkie, or your common thief. He's bad news for the DNC, political poison there as well, so he won't be their mouthpiece either. And lets be honest, communists in America really don't have all that much financial backing, so he's a no-go there too.

That leaves him construction and lawn care for his career, unless he runs for Lt. Gov of Maryland in 2020 when Bradley/Chelsea Manning loses his, I mean her, er... it's Senate bid, their platform can be "Change v2.0". They're meant to be together. Forever. :love::love::love:

Maybe he can give Putin a hummer, he'd probably pay well for that. Another Castro cabana boy? Just looking out for this fella.

He needs to be working for the people and Mother America like a good commie, not getting free money from the government without work like some Czarist lapdog weenie. It would be a shame if he ended up in a logging camp in Denali. Wait, we don't do that here? Huh, maybe he doesn't think so ill of this whole freedom shit after all, because if he turned capitalist in the Soviet Army, I think the political officer would have a one way ticket to a reeducation camp for him.

American Commies. Worse than Illinois Nazis, but only by a slim margin.

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This character is pretty much done in life. He will never have any sort of prosperous employment that any typical West Point graduate and US Army officer would have had, or even what most any college graduate could have had. He's poison to any place he works at that isn't socialist based because he's a PR nightmare in the social media age. He resigned his commission and got himself an OTH discharge, putting him in the same category as every service member who was kicked out for DUI , domestic and/or drug abuse, AWOL/UA junkie, or your common thief. He's bad news for the DNC, political poison there as well, so he won't be their mouthpiece either. And lets be honest, communists in America really don't have all that much financial backing, so he's a no-go there too.

That leaves him construction and lawn care for his career, unless he runs for Lt. Gov of Maryland in 2020 when Bradley/Chelsea Manning loses his, I mean her, er... it's Senate bid, their platform can be "Change v2.0". They're meant to be together. Forever. :love::love::love:

Maybe he can give Putin a hummer, he'd probably pay well for that. Another Castro cabana boy? Just looking out for this fella.

He needs to be working for the people and Mother America like a good commie, not getting free money from the government without work like some Czarist lapdog weenie. It would be a shame if he ended up in a logging camp in Denali. Wait, we don't do that here? Huh, maybe he doesn't think so ill of this whole freedom shit after all, because if he turned capitalist in the Soviet Army, I think the political officer would have a one way ticket to a reeducation camp for him.

American Commies. Worse than Illinois Nazis, but only by a slim margin.

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Nope he will be picked up quick by the left.

Pretty good capitalist move branding yourself to make the big bucks in a targeted market.

Me thinks Spenser may speak out of both sides of his mouth.

Shocker alert - a hypocritical communist.
 
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Only Antifa or worse would touch him PM. He's as political poison as anything, even socialist Bernie would disavow him. He'll never see the speaker podium of one single official DNC fundraiser, a bottle of Elijah Craig to you if I'm wrong.
 
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Redmanss said:
Only Antifa or worse would touch him PM. He's as political poison as anything, even socialist Bernie would disavow him. He'll never see the speaker podium of one single official DNC fundraiser, a bottle of Elijah Craig to you if I'm wrong.
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I see him being the male version (well chromosome wise anyway) of Cindy Sheehan.

Watch he will be the next John Kerry Winter Soldier.

Im assuming this kid had some ability to reach the levels he did.

Its just that he is amoral and a selfish self promoter. He will wind up on his feet in some really disgusting capacity.

but.....

I hope you are right. If you are right that is a good sign some sort of sanity is returning to the country.
 
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flyer said:
I hope they can change it to dishonorable if he tries to avoid paying for his education.
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no, they can't.
A dishonorable discharge is awarded at Courts Martial. basically, a felony conviction.
Once they have agreed to separate him, it basically becomes a civil matter in regards to restitution (unless it is spelled out as a condition imposed by the court)
 
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Redmanss said:
Only Antifa or worse would touch him PM. He's as political poison as anything, even socialist Bernie would disavow him. He'll never see the speaker podium of one single official DNC fundraiser, a bottle of Elijah Craig to you if I'm wrong.
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PM told me he doesnt drink so send Elijah my way....:love:
 
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I guess I don't see the problem? His views are communist, so what? I didn't know you could get kicked out for having a different economic philosophy, nobody ever mentioned that to me, first I'm hearing of it now. I guess it wasn't smart to do in uniform, but was it in their dress code? Also, he's young and went to college and if you look at communism as an ideal, it is better than what we have now. But in practice it's failed. Our ideal is that everyone is equal and have same chances for success and that we are a free democracy, etc., and that's far from true also.

Personally, I'm pretty much a political and economic centrist. If you got most Americans to be honest in a survey, you'd find the majority are centrists too.

So I guess I just don't get it, he's also young. I don't think it's worth kicking him out over, maybe an article 15 but not separation. I guess if he becomes a problem with proselytization, attends communist meetings where he can be turned or blackmailed by foreign agents, seeks them out, etc., then I guess he needs to be kicked out, that is a problem.

FWIW, I knew of at least two or three guys in my unit that were communist. They didn't talk about it unless one on one and pressured into it after a few beers (I could be persistent). They were normal, just saw the ideal of that economic system as being more beneficial to all, that's all. Since ideals don't exist anyway, it's kind of a non-sequitur, you know? Besides, they had regular American habits. Just kids man, just kids.

I feel this guy got kicked out for basically a non-sequitur. He could have been dealt with.

"Other than honorable" discharges I think automatically become "honorable" after six months. "Dishonorable" takes longer (a year?) and you have to go through court to do it. I think. After you get "honorable", I think you become eligible for benefits, etc., but I don't know for sure. I know of a few people that left that way, but I didn't wanna learn first hand so I steered clear of that business. Another story for another day anyway.

Anyway, that' just how I see it, my $.02.
 
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?....if you look at communism as an ideal, it is better than what we have now. But in practice it's failed.
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If it has consistently failed, and it has, than it is not better than anything.

It is fatally flawed.

It fails to account for human nature.

It works for short periods of time in homogeneous cultures usually under some sort of external threat.

Once that culture matures and gains security they move on to more complex productive systems i.e. Capitalism.

If you are continually on the edge of starvation or attack Communism works.

This is probably why it usually the system of choice in dystopian settings.
 
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First, it's not that he had different political views, it was that he was promoting those views in uniform. If he had "Republicans will win", the result would be the same. He also as an officer was publicly lambasting his commanders, both military and civilian, additionally a big time no-go.

An OTH does not get automatically upgraded to General under Honorable, and a BCD and especially Dishonorable are rarely upgraded as those always come at the result of a court martial conviction. An OTH upgrade requires review by the respective service's Discharge Review Board, and said DRB needs to be convinced that the discharge was too harsh of a punishment and was a result of an exceptional mistake. An officer, especially a West Point graduate, acting in this manner with repetitive public statements against his commanders as well as foolish political promotions (regardless of what he was supporting) in uniform shows a firm pattern of misbehavior in violation of well known and often reminded articles of the UCMJ.

He got exactly what was coming to him and he was practically begging to get caught, and any appeal package he files in the future will quickly fall upon deaf ears. He still has access to the VA for any service connected medical treatment and can claim no real hardship as a result, all that really harms him with having an OTH is he is branded as what he is, a piece of shit who got kicked out of the Army and deserves no veterans preference.
 
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Strykervet said:
I guess I don't see the problem? His views are communist, so what? I didn't know you could get kicked out for having a different economic philosophy, nobody ever mentioned that to me, first I'm hearing of it now. I guess it wasn't smart to do in uniform, but was it in their dress code? Also, he's young and went to college and if you look at communism as an ideal, it is better than what we have now. But in practice it's failed. Our ideal is that everyone is equal and have same chances for success and that we are a free democracy, etc., and that's far from true also.

Personally, I'm pretty much a political and economic centrist. If you got most Americans to be honest in a survey, you'd find the majority are centrists too.

So I guess I just don't get it, he's also young. I don't think it's worth kicking him out over, maybe an article 15 but not separation. I guess if he becomes a problem with proselytization, attends communist meetings where he can be turned or blackmailed by foreign agents, seeks them out, etc., then I guess he needs to be kicked out, that is a problem.

FWIW, I knew of at least two or three guys in my unit that were communist. They didn't talk about it unless one on one and pressured into it after a few beers (I could be persistent). They were normal, just saw the ideal of that economic system as being more beneficial to all, that's all. Since ideals don't exist anyway, it's kind of a non-sequitur, you know? Besides, they had regular American habits. Just kids man, just kids.

I feel this guy got kicked out for basically a non-sequitur. He could have been dealt with.

"Other than honorable" discharges I think automatically become "honorable" after six months. "Dishonorable" takes longer (a year?) and you have to go through court to do it. I think. After you get "honorable", I think you become eligible for benefits, etc., but I don't know for sure. I know of a few people that left that way, but I didn't wanna learn first hand so I steered clear of that business. Another story for another day anyway.

Anyway, that' just how I see it, my $.02.
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I guess that's how you see it because you did not grow up and serve during the Cold War. I guess you see Communism as an "economic philosophy" because you're not thinking of the 200,000,000 innocent people it has murdered in the name of "equality", or the even larger number it has impoverished and enslaved. I am guessing you don't remember or weren't alive when Ronald Reagan finally defeated the Soviets without firing a shot. The media also told us he was a war monger who would blow up the Earth. He didn't call them "The Evil Empire" for no reason, and that's exactly how he treated them, like a contagion to be isolated and destroyed.

Tell me you're a Nazi, and I'll laugh at you pitying your ignorance and stupidity for claiming to follow Germancentric Communism. Tell me you are a communist, and a Third International Communist whose goal is to spread the lethal contagion, like Rapone, and I'm not laughing anymore. You are well suited for manual labor and nothing else. You are not fit to have responsibility over a single person.

Nazis want to enslave and murder us about as much Martians. They are present in about the same amounts too. Communists will never stop murdering and enslaving because they do so with the approval of their own deranged conscience, and as an article of faith believe that the ends, a perfect paradise of human harmony with no government, justify any means employed to achieve it. This is why their revolutions and political actions always, always both start and end in starvation and mass murder.

I'd rather serve in an entire division of flaming gays in pink camouflage, who are patriotic Americans, and who believe in individual liberty and limited government, and honor their oath to protect and defend The Constitution than with a single Rapone.

Who do you think looses when, "Communism will win". I could forgive the Che tshirt, and I could forgive an ignorant moron (there are plenty in the military) thinking communism sounds like a good idea. Aren't officers supposed to be educated? Collectivism is the diametric opposite of the individualism and individual liberty that our entire Constitution is built upon and designed around. Communism is not merely a failed economic theory. It is the deifying of the state, and the devaluing and dehumanizing of individuals. There is no common ground with it. There is no parley or compromise with it that doesn't have it's destruction as it's aim, which is exactly how an actual communist feels about liberalism, individualism, and certainly our Constitution to which every service member swears an oath.

Ever wonder why, unlike every other military in the world, we don't swear to by loyal to our "nation"? Could it be because we are not a race of people or even a piece of land? Could it be because we are an idea enshrined in a document? If the ideas of our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution are the light, the antithesis of that and the darkness is the collectivism of communism.

It is that simple.
 
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Strykervet said:
Personally, I'm pretty much a political and economic centrist. If you got most Americans to be honest in a survey, you'd find the majority are centrists too.
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Thats how I think of my self, neither to the right nor left, but in the center, seeking the truth in each situation. But I think youre wrong in your statistical analysis of the American people.

Most are to busy to have more than a media guided view of whats going on and I dont really call that a position, but a non position. Then there are those who dont give a shit they just want power and control. The rest are either viciously to the left or right, with a small % joining us in the center.
 
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Fuck that “center shit” , it’s an avenue to bend whichever way the wind blows, lacks commitment, and contains to much gray area. Pick a side and move on, I have more respect for a position that opposes my position than I do for waffling idontkowsletmethinkaboutthat.

Not that I don’t respect you as a person but having passion for a cause/idea is good.

This douche was at WEST POINT for fucks sake. He took a stand and others are taking a stand against him, he made his bed so now when he’s at an intersection holding a cardboard sign I will ignore him to like I do with all the other street bums.
 
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jrassy said:
Fuck that “center shit” , it’s an avenue to bend whichever way the wind blows, lacks commitment, and contains to much gray area. Pick a side and move on, I have more respect for a position that opposes my position than I do for waffling idontkowsletmethinkaboutthat.

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JRassy, you couldnt be more wrong, in that. Being in the center doesnt mean you will bend either way, it means youve examined all the evidence in any given situation and made decisions from there, not from propaganda fed to you from one side or the other.

So lets look at this case.

-The left would say, he's a sweet boy and should have the right to his views.
-The right would say he's a filthy commie pig and should be shot.

Both full of emotion.

-The centrist view, at least the one I hold, says that while his speech should be protected by the Constitution, his views and actions are not in agreement with the military code nor the ideology of our way of life, and while, as a citizen, he has the right to hold those views, as an employee of the country he does not have the right to express them while in that employ, and thus needs be terminated from his position.

Pure logic, No emotion.

Remember, Jefferson, one of the founding fathers, said at the opening of my alma mater, The University of Virginia (unfortunately now becoming a liberal swamp):

"This institution will be based on the illimitable freedom of the human mind. For here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it."
- Thomas Jefferson to William Roscoe, December 27, 1820 "

Semper fidelis et veritas

Maggot out.
 
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Strykervet said:
I guess I don't see the problem? His views are communist, so what? I didn't know you could get kicked out for having a different economic philosophy, nobody ever mentioned that to me, first I'm hearing of it now. I guess it wasn't smart to do in uniform, but was it in their dress code? Also, he's young and went to college and if you look at communism as an ideal, it is better than what we have now. But in practice it's failed. Our ideal is that everyone is equal and have same chances for success and that we are a free democracy, etc., and that's far from true also.

Personally, I'm pretty much a political and economic centrist. If you got most Americans to be honest in a survey, you'd find the majority are centrists too.

So I guess I just don't get it, he's also young. I don't think it's worth kicking him out over, maybe an article 15 but not separation. I guess if he becomes a problem with proselytization, attends communist meetings where he can be turned or blackmailed by foreign agents, seeks them out, etc., then I guess he needs to be kicked out, that is a problem.

FWIW, I knew of at least two or three guys in my unit that were communist. They didn't talk about it unless one on one and pressured into it after a few beers (I could be persistent). They were normal, just saw the ideal of that economic system as being more beneficial to all, that's all. Since ideals don't exist anyway, it's kind of a non-sequitur, you know? Besides, they had regular American habits. Just kids man, just kids.

I feel this guy got kicked out for basically a non-sequitur. He could have been dealt with.

"Other than honorable" discharges I think automatically become "honorable" after six months. "Dishonorable" takes longer (a year?) and you have to go through court to do it. I think. After you get "honorable", I think you become eligible for benefits, etc., but I don't know for sure. I know of a few people that left that way, but I didn't wanna learn first hand so I steered clear of that business. Another story for another day anyway.

Anyway, that' just how I see it, my $.02.
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Fuck that shit. Communism is a cancer, and the only cure is removal of the tumor cells. They aren’t “just kids.”
 
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Fig said:
I guess that's how you see it because you did not grow up and serve during the Cold War. I guess you see Communism as an "economic philosophy" because you're not thinking of the 200,000,000 innocent people it has murdered in the name of "equality", or the even larger number it has impoverished and enslaved. I am guessing you don't remember or weren't alive when Ronald Reagan finally defeated the Soviets without firing a shot. The media also told us he was a war monger who would blow up the Earth. He didn't call them "The Evil Empire" for no reason, and that's exactly how he treated them, like a contagion to be isolated and destroyed.

Tell me you're a Nazi, and I'll laugh at you pitying your ignorance and stupidity for claiming to follow Germancentric Communism. Tell me you are a communist, and a Third International Communist whose goal is to spread the lethal contagion, like Rapone, and I'm not laughing anymore. You are well suited for manual labor and nothing else. You are not fit to have responsibility over a single person.

Nazis want to enslave and murder us about as much Martians. They are present in about the same amounts too. Communists will never stop murdering and enslaving because they do so with the approval of their own deranged conscience, and as an article of faith believe that the ends, a perfect paradise of human harmony with no government, justify any means employed to achieve it. This is why their revolutions and political actions always, always both start and end in starvation and mass murder.

I'd rather serve in an entire division of flaming gays in pink camouflage, who are patriotic Americans, and who believe in individual liberty and limited government, and honor their oath to protect and defend The Constitution than with a single Rapone.

Who do you think looses when, "Communism will win". I could forgive the Che tshirt, and I could forgive an ignorant moron (there are plenty in the military) thinking communism sounds like a good idea. Aren't officers supposed to be educated? Collectivism is the diametric opposite of the individualism and individual liberty that our entire Constitution is built upon and designed around. Communism is not merely a failed economic theory. It is the deifying of the state, and the devaluing and dehumanizing of individuals. There is no common ground with it. There is no parley or compromise with it that doesn't have it's destruction as it's aim, which is exactly how an actual communist feels about liberalism, individualism, and certainly our Constitution to which every service member swears an oath.

Ever wonder why, unlike every other military in the world, we don't swear to by loyal to our "nation"? Could it be because we are not a race of people or even a piece of land? Could it be because we are an idea enshrined in a document? If the ideas of our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution are the light, the antithesis of that and the darkness is the collectivism of communism.

It is that simple.
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God. Damn. Right.
 
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Fuck that shit. Communism is a cancer, and the only cure is removal of the tumor cells. They aren’t “just kids.”
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Youre right about that. They are a well organized, becoming well funded, relentless disease. Contrary to your solution, they have their right to their view, by the Constitution. Thel solution is a realistic education of the populace. If they have further questions offer them a free years residency trip to NORK.
 
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A pessimist, and optimist, and a communist were enclosed in a pitch black room and told there was a black cat in there with them.

There was no cat...

The pessimist said there is no cat. The optimist said there is a cat and I'm going to grab onto it shortly. The communist said that there not only is a cat, but I have it right here.

I will note for effect that the only one who got it right was the pessimist. Pessimists can never be disappointed, they can only be pleasantly surprised...

The thing about communists is that they are, by definition, delusional.

They have perfected the ability to lie to themselves and believe in the lie completely. They enjoy being lied to and make icons of those who tell them those lies.

They ostracize, track down, and torment the speakers of truth. Whom they cannot convert, they first marginalize, and later, destroy.

They profess the ideal of equality and diversity, which they believe can only truly come about once they have eliminated all who cannot agree with them and their thesis. Inevitable failure is palliated with the simple explanation that those who failed were not fully committed to the true ideal, and that once the stage is properly set, and true diligence becomes the norm, success must follow as surely as day follows night.

They scream tolerance directly into the faces of those they refuse to tolerate.

They are the most truly Orwellian inhabitants of the planet, and can be far better understood once a reading of 1984 manages to impart an understanding of the term newspeak.

Maybe some of us can sustain a tolerance of such dichotomy, but that has become one of my most cherished failings.

Scratch a Liberal, a Progressive, and many Democrats, and the true communist socialist will emerge. Some will say that monastics are communist socialists, but that cannot be true. The monastics begin their existence with a love of God; true communist socialists cannot share their ideals with those of any deity.

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Strykervet - The stated goal of communism is the overthrow of our system of representative government. That does not make them a “different economic philosophy”, but rather a direct threat to our existence as a sovereign nation. In other words, the Enemy. Does it make sense to allow the enemy to even serve, let alone lead in our defensive forces? When he says, “Communism will win,” he is saying America will lose.
 
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Strykervet - The stated goal of communism is the overthrow of our system of representative government. That does not make them a “different economic philosophy”, but rather a direct threat to our existence as a sovereign nation. In other words, the Enemy. Does it make sense to allow the enemy to even serve, let alone lead in our defensive forces? When he says, “Communism will win,” he is saying America will lose.
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No shit.

Joe McCarthy was right.
 
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Maggot said:
JRassy, you couldnt be more wrong, in that. Being in the center doesnt mean you will bend either way, it means youve examined all the evidence in any given situation and made decisions from there, not from propaganda fed to you from one side or the other.

So lets look at this case.

-The left would say, he's a sweet boy and should have the right to his views.
-The right would say he's a filthy commie pig and should be shot.

Both full of emotion.

-The centrist view, at least the one I hold, says that while his speech should be protected by the Constitution, his views and actions are not in agreement with the military code nor the ideology of our way of life, and while, as a citizen, he has the right to hold those views, as an employee of the country he does not have the right to express them while in that employ, and thus needs be terminated from his position.

Pure logic, No emotion.

Remember, Jefferson, one of the founding fathers, said at the opening of my alma mater, The University of Virginia (unfortunately now becoming a liberal swamp):

"This institution will be based on the illimitable freedom of the human mind. For here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it."
- Thomas Jefferson to William Roscoe, December 27, 1820 "

Semper fidelis et veritas

Maggot out.
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Reason is not free to combat it. The Communists control the media and educational system.
 
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I doubt that moron even knows what it actually was.

The Great Leap Forward was a massive failure. It caused massive suffering with negative net benefits to almost all Chinese people. It was an everyone looses policy. It failed so badly that Mao was sidelined in the Party in the immediate aftermath of his colossal failure. There he sat with diminished power and influence for just a couple of years till his next big, communist idea...The Cultural Revolution...

That my friends, is a typical communist solution to a problem. Wipe out all knowledge and history (so that history doesn't point an accusing finger), and start at year zero. Pol Pot did the exact same thing to Cambodia a decade later.

Seriously. These people aren't misguided fools. Their hearts aren't in the right place. Only an extremely evil person who hates themselves and all of humanity looks at a painful and crippling disease and sees it as something to be cultivated and spread. Our own leftist idiots may be misguided fools, but an actual communist who understands the ideology and knows history is a monster in human form.
 
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