Competition Trigger for AR15

[pewpewfever]

My friend put a Timney Calvin Elite in his competition AR and he’s getting unintentional autofire doubles when he free recoils. This trigger is not adjustable iirc. He can’t afford a different trigger right now, so I’m thinking it’s Xmas present time. I think he wants a non adjustable trigger, and he wants to be able to shoot free recoil without getting a double. But he doesn’t want a stiff (e.g., milspec) trigger. Any suggestions?

 

[Black max]

He is getting double taps because his follow through sucks. No trigger is going to fix that...

 

[srt-4_uk]

Any decent trigger will bump fire when you try to free recoil it. Think about what the gun is doing.

 

[pewpewfever]

He has free recoiled my precision AR without getting any auto fire.

 

[Mwalex]

Any decent trigger will bump fire when you try to free recoil it. Think about what the gun is doing.

If that was true why doesn't that happen with AR pistols?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Geissele SD-E or HSNM. You just missed the perfect time of year to buy them when they were 30% off.

 

[Shortbus6588]

If that was true why doesn't that happen with AR pistols?

i dont think you understand what free recoil is. Here is some info for you

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/scotts-free-recoil-demo-sort-of.6913493/

and a demo



and here from the bench

 

[Mwalex]

i dont think you understand what free recoil is.

Then how about explaining it to me.

 

[Shortbus6588]

see above....

And Im not trying to be rude, just helping you understand and grow the community's knowledge.



The second video is a good representation from the bench.

 

[Black max]

see above....

And Im not trying to be rude, just helping you understand and grow the community's knowledge.



The second video is a good representation from the bench.

What is the purpose of that baricade technique?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

What is the purpose of that baricade technique?

Eliminate the need for proper fundamentals.

 

[Shortbus6588]

The purpose of free recoil is minimizing the shooters influence on the rifle, kind of the opposite if recoil management. The thought is if you can minimize human error and wobble and just let the rifle do its thing. I dont personally use free recoil techniques, I would rather use recoil management techniquesto drive the rifle and spot my impacts or misses, and follow through on the trigger.

Not following through on the trigger is what causes bump fire, AKA accidental double taps. Holding the trigger to the rear until recoil has subsided will prevent bump fires. This is part of proper follow through on the trigger.

No trigger- match or other will prevent bump fires without proper follow through on the trigger. Actually the lighter the trigger pull makes bump fires easier to do.

cheers
Dave

 

[Merle]

The SD-E in my 308 AR will double and triple if I let it free recoil. I had the range master asking me if my rifle was "full auto" the last time i went out and had it triple on me.

 

[pewpewfever]

I have a SSA-E in my AR and it’s never doubled on me. Or on him when he shit it. Maybe I should get him one of those?

 

[striped1]

It is called fast split times, not doubling.

 

[loveha]

Will throw in Triggertech as an option. They have a 3.5# non adjustable that I like a lot.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

For starters, free recoiling AR's is dumb. But if you must do it get a 2 stage.
What made him think he could get away with it using a 1.5lb single stage?

 

[Triple D]

I’m actually curious what groups look like from a precision AR that someone shoots “free recoil”.

I’ve always been under the impression that you can shoot a bolt gun, but you drive an AR.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

I’m actually curious what groups look like from a precision AR that someone shoots “free recoil”.

I’ve always been under the impression that you can shoot a bolt gun, but you drive an AR.

I've put some time into testing it. You can do okay, not great, with a heavy gun in 223. A lighter gun or heavier caliber and it all goes to shit fast.

 

[S197]

laure mbt2 is a great trigger for the ar. At 80.00 you can’t go wrong with it. Plus no mim!

but like stated above, follow through on the trigger pull.

 

[pewpewfever]

I’m actually curious what groups look like from a precision AR that someone shoots “free recoil”.

I’ve always been under the impression that you can shoot a bolt gun, but you drive an AR.

 

[Lawless]

Perhaps I do not understand what is being said as it pertains to shooting semi-auto centerfire “free recoil” but holding the trigger rearward until the rifle is back on target is fundamental.

 

[pewpewfever]

Perhaps I do not understand what is being said as it pertains to shooting semi-auto centerfire “free recoil” but holding the trigger rearward until the rifle is back on target is fundamental.

Here is a photo of how we free recoil in DFW. That’s a bolt gun in the photo but the guy who runs the club taught me to do the same with a gas gun. The thumb of the right hand is resting on the right side of the rifle, and the tips of the ring and middle fingers apply pressure to the front of the grip, pulling the rifle into the shoulder. In prone position, the left hand would be squeezing a rear bag, and not contact the rifle at all. I see everyone shooting this way, including gas guns.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

I think a solution could be a two stage trigger. I used to get the same issue using my old M1a without full trigger followthrough. I sold it.

I have 4 PSA AR Lowers 3 PA-15's and a PA-10. I replaced all four PSA EPT triggers with these PSA Nickel-Boron Two Stage Triggers. Please note that they are rather affordable.

They are a lot easier to shoot well from the bench, etc., but I'm not sure whether a Two Stage is going to be all that helpful for his shooting discipline since they require a decisive trigger reset.

Greg

 

[Lawless]

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Here is a photo of how we free recoil in DFW. That’s a bolt gun in the photo but the guy who runs the club taught me to do the same with a gas gun. The thumb of the right hand is resting on the right side of the rifle, and the tips of the ring and middle fingers apply pressure to the front of the grip, pulling the rifle into the shoulder. In prone position, the left hand would be squeezing a rear bag, and not contact the rifle at all. I see everyone shooting this way, including gas guns.

That seems to be simply not utilizing the thumb to wrap around the grip. It isn’t “free recoil” like is done in certain disciplines.

This is what I mean by my not understanding what is being said here.

I shoot my AR65 gripped like this but the rifle is not allowed to simply move how it wants under recoil like a well designed benchrest rifle does.

Too much additional movement is involved.

 

[Triple D]

That seems to be simply not utilizing the thumb to wrap around the grip. It isn’t “free recoil” like is done in certain disciplines.

This is what I mean by my not understanding what is being said here.

I shoot my AR65 gripped like this but the rifle is not allowed to simply move how it wants under recoil like a well designed benchrest rifle does.

Too much additional movement is involved.

That’s my take away as well. That isn’t what I would call free recoil at all.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

I don't shoot anything bigger than 223/5.56 free recoil.

 

[Delta Echo]

Any decent trigger will bump fire when you try to free recoil it. Think about what the gun is doing.

What is "decent"? I have a Triggertech in a 6.5 Creed AR set to 3.5 lbs., and have never had a double-tap when free-recoiling. Of course, I will now that I've said this.

 

[srt-4_uk]

I think the only thing this thread has pointed out is that there are multiple definitions if free recoil.
And if you want to free recoil, a single stage 1.5lb trigger with a short reset isnt your best choice.