I have the SS 16x MOA back ordered. SWFA is trying to talk me into the mil quad reticule. Their isn't anything in ILL to range on except an occasional fence post. I use JBM ballistics for a baseline in MOA adjustments. Is there a way to convert MOA to Mils or would I have to buy a ballistics program? I'm not too crazy about the diamond pattern. I use my scopes for hunting not tactical ranging, but I wouldn't rule it out. Thanks.
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Re: Convert mils to MOA?
The mil quad is great and you won't regret it; you don't know what you're missing until you go mil/mil. It's foolish to get a mil reticle and moa adjustments these days.
JBM can do mil adjustments too, it's just a different option on the website (I think it's a drop down box). No ballistics program needed.
The mil quad is great and you won't regret it; you don't know what you're missing until you go mil/mil. It's foolish to get a mil reticle and moa adjustments these days.
JBM can do mil adjustments too, it's just a different option on the website (I think it's a drop down box). No ballistics program needed.
Re: Convert mils to MOA?
Sure. 1 mil = 3.47 MOA . or round up to 3.5 if your so inclined. But why would you ever put yourself in a position to have to calculate this with all the great scopes out there that are mil/mil?
Granted, It's nice to know if your spotting for someone using a different system. But build your own system from the group up for ease of use.
if your stuck with a MIL/MOA scope for hunting, you could tape over your 1/4 MOA turret hash marks and convert them to "rough mil" to match your mil reticle. just place a new hash mark on the tape every 7 clicks for 1/2 mil and a large hash mark every 14 clicks for a full mil. (.25 x 14 = 3.5inches) thats only 1/10 inch off at 100 compared to a mil/mil scope. split the difference between the new 1mil and .5 mil hash marks and make a tiny hash for .2-.3 mil. It'd be crude, but rather effective for med. range hunting.
Sure. 1 mil = 3.47 MOA . or round up to 3.5 if your so inclined. But why would you ever put yourself in a position to have to calculate this with all the great scopes out there that are mil/mil?
Granted, It's nice to know if your spotting for someone using a different system. But build your own system from the group up for ease of use.
if your stuck with a MIL/MOA scope for hunting, you could tape over your 1/4 MOA turret hash marks and convert them to "rough mil" to match your mil reticle. just place a new hash mark on the tape every 7 clicks for 1/2 mil and a large hash mark every 14 clicks for a full mil. (.25 x 14 = 3.5inches) thats only 1/10 inch off at 100 compared to a mil/mil scope. split the difference between the new 1mil and .5 mil hash marks and make a tiny hash for .2-.3 mil. It'd be crude, but rather effective for med. range hunting.
Re: Convert mils to MOA?
If you feel you must, you can multiply Mils by 3.5 to get MOA (as previously stated). But the real advantage in hunting is the reticle with full Mil and half Mil marks. Instead of dialing DOPE (which you can still do), you can use the reticle for holding over. You can easily hold to within 0.2mils which is less than 3/4MOA. That should be entirely adequate for hunting any big game to 500yds.
JBM Ballistic Calculator has an option for both MOA and Mils, so your chart can have both units.
If you feel you must, you can multiply Mils by 3.5 to get MOA (as previously stated). But the real advantage in hunting is the reticle with full Mil and half Mil marks. Instead of dialing DOPE (which you can still do), you can use the reticle for holding over. You can easily hold to within 0.2mils which is less than 3/4MOA. That should be entirely adequate for hunting any big game to 500yds.
JBM Ballistic Calculator has an option for both MOA and Mils, so your chart can have both units.
Re: Convert mils to MOA?
I would get a mil/mil scope as opposed to mil/moa it would be much easier.
But as others have said JBM can show mil drop right next to the moa drop. the drop down box is just above the check boxes at the bottom of the page by the "calculate" button..
And if you want to convert mils to moa you can make a conversion chart. My buddy and I made them when I had a mil scope and he had an moa scope. worked pretty well.
I would get a mil/mil scope as opposed to mil/moa it would be much easier.
But as others have said JBM can show mil drop right next to the moa drop. the drop down box is just above the check boxes at the bottom of the page by the "calculate" button..
And if you want to convert mils to moa you can make a conversion chart. My buddy and I made them when I had a mil scope and he had an moa scope. worked pretty well.
Re: Convert mils to MOA?
Now that I know JBM can be done in MIls that really simplifies things. Looks like I will have to reconsider the mil quad. I didn't know you could get a mil reticule with Moa adjustments. I wouldn't go that route either. Thanks.
Now that I know JBM can be done in MIls that really simplifies things. Looks like I will have to reconsider the mil quad. I didn't know you could get a mil reticule with Moa adjustments. I wouldn't go that route either. Thanks.
Re: Convert mils to MOA?
To make it simple a mill is 1/1000 of a milradian. A milradian is figured by taking the radius distance and where it ends, another radius. In other words the cirle part of the triangle you just created is the same lengh as the radius.
So you have three equal parts of a triange you just created. There are (2^Pi ir 2* 3.1416) 6.2832 miradians in a circle.
There are 1 thousand mils in a mil radian. so you have 6283.2 mils in a circle.
There are also 360 degrees in a circle. There are 60 minutes in a degree so there are 21,600 minutes in a circle.
If you devide 6283.2 by 21,600 you get 3.4377 mins or MOA per mil.
You can round up to suit your self, but you'll be close with 3.44, you'll be faster and pretty close if you use 3.5 moa per mil.
How accurate you need to be depends on how far you are shooting. Normal rifle ranges 3.5 is fine. If you're shoot a piece of artillary to 26 miles you may not wont to do much rounding up.
They used Mils with machine guns long before they used them with rifles. Machine guns are designed to shoot a pattern at distance so you didn't really care if you're using 3.4 or 3.6.
To make it simple a mill is 1/1000 of a milradian. A milradian is figured by taking the radius distance and where it ends, another radius. In other words the cirle part of the triangle you just created is the same lengh as the radius.
So you have three equal parts of a triange you just created. There are (2^Pi ir 2* 3.1416) 6.2832 miradians in a circle.
There are 1 thousand mils in a mil radian. so you have 6283.2 mils in a circle.
There are also 360 degrees in a circle. There are 60 minutes in a degree so there are 21,600 minutes in a circle.
If you devide 6283.2 by 21,600 you get 3.4377 mins or MOA per mil.
You can round up to suit your self, but you'll be close with 3.44, you'll be faster and pretty close if you use 3.5 moa per mil.
How accurate you need to be depends on how far you are shooting. Normal rifle ranges 3.5 is fine. If you're shoot a piece of artillary to 26 miles you may not wont to do much rounding up.
They used Mils with machine guns long before they used them with rifles. Machine guns are designed to shoot a pattern at distance so you didn't really care if you're using 3.4 or 3.6.
Re: Convert mils to MOA?
1 Mil = 3.6" at 100 yards
1 MOA = 1.047" at 100 yards
3.6 divided by 1.047 equals 3.438
If you need to dial an adjustment with MOA knobs, and you get a call in Mils, multiply by 3.428.
If you want to convert from MOA to Mils, divide by 3.438.
1 Mil = 3.6" at 100 yards
1 MOA = 1.047" at 100 yards
3.6 divided by 1.047 equals 3.438
If you need to dial an adjustment with MOA knobs, and you get a call in Mils, multiply by 3.428.
If you want to convert from MOA to Mils, divide by 3.438.
Re: Convert mils to MOA?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buffybuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
JBM Ballistic Calculator has an option for both MOA and Mils, so your chart can have both units. </div></div>
This is what I do, I have JBM set to give me both MILS and MOA adjustments on one data sheet. It works well. You can set one column for MOA and the other column for MILS. It will give both adjustments side by side.
I still have two older scopes that have MIL reticles with .25 MOA adjustments. My newer scopes are MIL/MIL.
It's nice to have a drop data sheet that has both adjustment units.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buffybuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
JBM Ballistic Calculator has an option for both MOA and Mils, so your chart can have both units. </div></div>
This is what I do, I have JBM set to give me both MILS and MOA adjustments on one data sheet. It works well. You can set one column for MOA and the other column for MILS. It will give both adjustments side by side.
I still have two older scopes that have MIL reticles with .25 MOA adjustments. My newer scopes are MIL/MIL.
It's nice to have a drop data sheet that has both adjustment units.
Re: Convert mils to MOA?
It took me a while to appreciate the Mil advantage but now I would never go back to MOA....
Remembering a mil is 1/1000 of any distance is so easy...
I make all of my own targets on XL spreadsheet and converted all of my grids to 1/10 mil squares (.36") or 1 click on my USO scope.
I would imagine a Mil/MOA combo would be difficult to work with
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It took me a while to appreciate the Mil advantage but now I would never go back to MOA....
Remembering a mil is 1/1000 of any distance is so easy...
I make all of my own targets on XL spreadsheet and converted all of my grids to 1/10 mil squares (.36") or 1 click on my USO scope.
I would imagine a Mil/MOA combo would be difficult to work with
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