Courts as distraction

[Shutrmgavin]

Clarence Thomas wrote that the 2nd amendment is a 2nd class right. I'd go further and say that the legal system is no longer even a mechanism for redress of grievances vis-a-vis the right to keep and bear arms. As proof I offer up GOA's lawsuit to keep bump stocks legal. There is not even a constitutional question in the case. Trump's edict is illegal; it contradicts statute written by Congress. So, I fail to see how the system could possibly save us against legislatures controlled by city dwellers and 3rd world slaves that can rapidly pass anti gun laws that even a pro gun legal system would tie up for years.

For obvious reasons, the voting booth is also a dead end.

Therefore, the only way to keep the right to buy and possess "assault weapons" and the like is to do what Virginia is doing with its sanctuary movement. Ultimately, these sanctuary jurisdictions will have to grow teeth to make it work. A citizen militia organized by the county sheriff department seems to be the best way to me.

Anyway, that's my 2¢ on the only way we get to keep black rifles and certainly the only way to invalidate "laws" like red flags and NFA rules etc. If you think Hughes will ever be repealed by Congress or the courts, I can't help you lol.

 

[308pirate]

I can't disagree with your outlook.

At some point government officials will have to be made accountable outside of the existing legal framework.

 

[Shutrmgavin]

I can't disagree with your outlook.

At some point government officials will have to be made accountable outside of the existing legal framework.

Well stated. Outside the current framework. I think it can be done with little or no violence or loss of life. I'd point out the potheads in many states just became dead weight in their civil disobedience and the state just gave up. I think with an organized, well regulated militia movement sponsored by local government, we could end up making state and federal governments give up on us too.

 

[308pirate]

I think it can be done with little or no violence or loss of life.

I wish I were that optimistic

 

[madppcs]

I agree. 2 justice systems, voting only for the (lesser of evils), 2 party system, a Govt that operates against its citizens in such deep secrecy that it cannot even hold itself accountable. (Thats why I think there are no repercussions on politicians). We are taxed beyond belief, our infrastructure is antique and crumbling.

No wonder the Gov wants to eliminate the 2nd Amend!

We must stop compromising. And we cannot do it from the legal system, or any news outlet. It must be a grass roots movement with everyone on board.

 

[Faronth]

I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments above. The issue boils down to one inescapable fact and that is elected officials as a rule, I will admit there are exceptions, have no fear of consequences to their actions. Pushing a blatantly unconstitutional and thus fundamentally illegal addenda such as gun control results in at worst a loss of a job from an all to often forgetful or ignorant electorate.

I believe our forefathers used more direct means to remind authorities they needed to pay attention to the citizens. Taring and feathering comes to mind as does the battle of Athens, GA. Not that I am suggesting any such a course of action now. Just stating there is historical precedence for such events.

Too much of either, no fear of consequences for swamp class or direct-action reminders from citizens frustrated with the lack of response to their will, eventually result in the popping of the thin bubble of civil order we exist in now. Once that fire is lit there is no telling where the flames will go or for how long.

I pray that we find a middle course of correction for both my 10 year old and the millions of younger generations who deserve better from us.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I can't disagree with your outlook.

At some point government officials will have to be made accountable outside of the existing legal framework.

Why are we waiting? The longer the wait, the nastier it will be. The problem is nobody knows exactly what to do. The first step is organize s large group, try the legal route first, when that doesn’t work have resort to other methods. Needless to say, all the current methods everyone wants to use aren’t working and doing the same things expecting a different outcome is stupid. The people will have to hold people accountable outside of voting. The sooner that happens the better we will be. I say a group of 10,000 people will suffice. Anything less wont work.

 

[308pirate]

Why are we waiting? The longer the wait, the nastier it will be. The problem is nobody knows exactly what to do. The first step is organize s large group, try the legal route first, when that doesn’t work have resort to other methods.

No one in his right mind is going to give you specifics on an open source like this. You should know that but you keep prying.

Why is that?

 

[SilentStalkr]

No one in his right mind is going to give you specifics on an open source like this. You should know that but you keep prying.

Why is that?

Words of encouragement! I’m still of the mindset that 50 years from now everyone will still he saying and arguing the same bullshit, except we will have less rights than we do now.

 

[candyx]

Our legal system is bias if it wasn't we wouldn't have all these guns laws to restrict the 2nd amendment. The legal system is political in nature from the supreme court all the way down to local municipal courts. If you have means and friends then you can skate if your poor and not connected you do the stretch. Its unfair but that has been the unspoken rule of the land since the Republic was born. The facade of Justice was created to keep the sheep calm like everything else.

 

[Spblademaker]

I completely disagree. The ones needing sanctuary should be the anti-constitution politicians who spit on their oath to gain power. They are the ones who should have to find places to hide. Not law abiding Americans. Allow the walls to keep closing in.

 

[308pirate]

Words of encouragement!

How old are you, 12?

No one is going to give you here the specific "encouragement" you seem to need. The specifics are too sensitive to share here and/or with someone no one fucking really knows.

Think this through before you reply to me again.

 

[OldSalty]

 

[Snipe260]

No one in his right mind is going to give you specifics on an open source like this. You should know that but you keep prying.

Why is that?

He’s good to go pirate!

 

[308pirate]

He’s good to go pirate!

That may be so, but this is still an open, unsecured environment.

 

[Romeo458]

It's not just the 2nd, all of the rights that were enumerated in the bill of rights are gone. The Constitution is ignored unless they can wave it around like a trump card to get their way... some pun intended. Politicians have absolutely no regard for the oath of office that they took. If we still were a nation of laws then they would be thrown in prison and tried for perjury and treason for the intentional disregard of that oath.

I hate to say it but the Republic is dead, we're almost through the final phases of democracy into despotism. I have been trying to show people the light for the last almost 30 years only to witness a slow defeat.

I read an interesting article recently about Chick-fil-A and the culture war that we face. They surrendered to the left from a position of power. That goes to show that they are better organized and they have more ambition and momentum to see their transformation of this nation through then we have to preserve it.

Until we are willing to stop making excuses and start pushing back the same way that they are pushing us we don't stand a chance, gunplay or not we will lose if we don't.

 

[Romeo458]

That may be so, but this is still an open, unsecured environment.

There is nothing safe and secure to communicate on anymore if you are speaking against the ruling class. Every single thing is logged in fusion centers be it cell phone, Internet message forms, emails you name it they have copies of it somewhere and with a simple keyword search can find whatever they want. We carry around our own personal tracking devices and we pay a monthly fee for it.

The men who founded this nation had similar issues on a different scale because the technology did not exist yet that we have. They were willing to sacrifice everything and say what needed to be said for the millions yet unborn, none of us are willing to sacrifice our jobs our homes or any of the stuff that we have acquired over the years to do anything remotely the same.

 

[4X4Dad]

I agree with no open discussions on the internet or other unsecured devices . Personally , I'll be having a sit down with my local sheriff . I personally know he is of the same mind set we are . We definitely have to start taking action somehow . Time for words and depending on our election process are long gone . Building numbers in grassroots organizations seems to be the only way to tackle the socialist cancer that is growing in our beloved nation . I pray that things never get ugly , but I need to know where to be and when to be there if everything goes south . May God bless us and our efforts .

 

[Blutroop]

We are all sitting in the same pot of water on the burner. We must remind ourself of that and see all our brothers instead of seeing cops and citizens, Californians and free state citizens, black and white, southern and northern, Army and Air Force, ect. The devising line is much simpler... your either for the constitution or your not. We as constitutionalists can no longer afford to be our own little islands with our own private armories and cases of mre’s. We can no longer afford to draw a line in the sand to be the only one standing there when it is crossed.
We cannot trust any communication not done in person. Yet we must communicate with people accross the world.. We have skilled individuals.. We have people who need to be shown these skills.. We have people on here with more guns then would be needed to liberate Cuba... sitting around like a horny housewife begging to be touched.. meanwhile there’s people that cannot buy a air rifle in their state.. You need to network around you..You need to figure out how your getting out of that pot before it boils.. And you need to get as many people out of the pot as you can. And pray.. don’t forget to pray.. to know peace is to prepare for war.

 

[4X4Dad]

Amen brother . I'll be doing just that !

 

[308pirate]

There is nothing safe and secure to communicate on anymore if you are speaking against the ruling class. Every single thing is logged in fusion centers be it cell phone, Internet message forms, emails you name it they have copies of it somewhere and with a simple keyword search can find whatever they want. We carry around our own personal tracking devices and we pay a monthly fee for it.

Cellphone tracking is easy to defeat.

There are other means of communication that are not traceable at all.

For the traceable ones, there are cyphers.

 

[Matches Malone]

There is nothing safe and secure to communicate on anymore if you are speaking against the ruling class. Every single thing is logged in fusion centers be it cell phone, Internet message forms, emails you name it they have copies of it somewhere and with a simple keyword search can find whatever they want. We carry around our own personal tracking devices and we pay a monthly fee for it.

The men who founded this nation had similar issues on a different scale because the technology did not exist yet that we have. They were willing to sacrifice everything and say what needed to be said for the millions yet unborn, none of us are willing to sacrifice our jobs our homes or any of the stuff that we have acquired over the years to do anything remotely the same.

You could write a letter.

 

[Romeo458]

There are a couple obscure and outdated means of communication such as letters, and there are plenty of easily made codes that can be used to gain some security. If we still had a 1st and 4th amendment binding the government, we would not need them. That is the price of generations of indifference.

 

[SilentStalkr]

The fact that so many fear the gov instead of the government fearing the people tells me its too late. I know I know, it’s smart not to discuss things but it’s also your duty to keep the fear alive. If you don’t, we wind up where we are. Nobody has any kind of accountability anymore. Why is that? It’s because they don’t fear any punishment by the people or otherwise. For those that believe being voted out is still a fear of politicians you’d be sadly mistaken. I’m going to sign off fo a bit. And yes there are ways of saying things I the open without being open about it. You just got to know the code. Lmao.