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Credo 2.5-15 vs xtriii 3.8-18
- Thread starter Joko111
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I'd go Credo. The non-illuminated XTR3 is useless below about 8X.
I agree. But why would you buy the non-illuminated version.
I played with an LPVO Credo. It was a nice optic. They are a nice light weight if you're looking for a hunting optic. SFP if I recall. I know the glass is better in the Burris versus the Trijicon Ten Mile. I havent had a comparable Credo side by side with the Burris.
Both will treat you well.
I run a credo 2.5-15x56 on one of my rifles.
I really like it, the eye box does get a bit tight at 15x.
The glass, to my eyes, is pretty damn good, it has a forgiving parallax.
Turrets aren't real tactile. This could likely be solved by using an oring with a slightly smaller cross section. It doesn't bother me enough to change it.
I like the reticle.
Honestly, I used to be a huge proponent of FFP, but not so much anymore.
Especially when it comes to hunting.
I'm guessing you are looking at the illuminated xtr, as it is the only one that makes sense on a hunting rifle, doubly so since it is FFP
Something to consider:
Credo=Japan
Burris=Philippines
There is a rather lengthy thread in regards to Burris customer service, you may want to check that out.
I really like it, the eye box does get a bit tight at 15x.
The glass, to my eyes, is pretty damn good, it has a forgiving parallax.
Turrets aren't real tactile. This could likely be solved by using an oring with a slightly smaller cross section. It doesn't bother me enough to change it.
I like the reticle.
Honestly, I used to be a huge proponent of FFP, but not so much anymore.
Especially when it comes to hunting.
I'm guessing you are looking at the illuminated xtr, as it is the only one that makes sense on a hunting rifle, doubly so since it is FFP
Something to consider:
Credo=Japan
Burris=Philippines
There is a rather lengthy thread in regards to Burris customer service, you may want to check that out.
Burris is Philippines built with Japanese ED glass.
This..
And Burris CS is going to be just fine. XTRIIIs don't break very often, they're a very durable optic. And no succesful business sits on its hands when something goes wrong. Change has already happened.
If Burris was your business, and you discovered a flaw in the way your customer service was functioning, what would you do about it?
I'd get involved before the shit show the entire company obviously knew about concluded the way it did with a refund instead of new, flaw free, product.
Odd that you're willing to wander around acting like everyone is retarded for viewing Burris CS as dodgy currently, yet you disappeared like a fart in the wind from the thread in question while that entire drama played out for the entire community to see.
Its not a vendetta against anyone to let OP know that if some random idiot at Burris shakes his dandruff down the scope tube he will have to ship it back and forth 5 or 6 times before he's finally (sort of) taken care of. Its just a fact, given the evidence at hand. One screw up is human nature, that disaster smacks of a systemic problem with a company that any buyer should beware of.
Doesn't mean it's good ED glass.
Arkens have Japanese glass.
True, but for all the issues with them as a company it DOES have good glass they're nice to look through.
You can put Italian leather upholstery in a Kia and it’s still a shitbox.
Their build quality is shit compared to what comes out of Japan. Just look at the machining on XTR3 turrets and the internal threads as a perfect example. Better shit comes out of Chinese OEM’s.
Burris is trash.
Here you go OP. 8 pages of reasons to never buy their crap.
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Burris Customer Services at its worst, please help/advise. (UPDATE: 09DEC23)
A few months back I had ordered (2) New Burris XTR Pro's direct from Burris and after my first outing with them I decided to give both scopes a cleaning, during the cleaning I noticed not just one of the Burris Pro's had debris inside both the Bell and Optical Lens but they both did to an extent...
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Certain members have told me the xtr ii 4-20 have pretty good glass.
I own one. The glass is shit and the reticle is meh.
I've only had it for a couple of years, so it's not an old one.
I definitely regret buying it.
Yeah, the XTR-II isn’t even in the same ballpark as the XTR-III, glass-wise. So your comparison is not really fair to express given he asked about the XTR-III. I have several XTR-II 5-25x50’s and they’re solid scopes. But the glass isn’t even close to my XTR-III 5.5-30x56.
Also, everyone’s eyes and experiences are different. If someone was still shooting a BSA or Tasco, and had never even looked through anything better, of course they’re going to think a modern $500 scope is a Swarovski or Zeiss.
Same reason people still think Leupold is high-quality…They’ve never owned or looked through anything better, or simply won’t admit it. That, and the whole refusal to relinquish the toxic Fudd mindset and nostalgia of “My daddy and grandad used Leupold to kill hundreds of deer!”, and leave history back where it belongs…In the past. Back when I was a kid, I was taught that same Fuddlore bullshit by my dad and uncles. I just didn’t realize it was because we were all Poors who didn’t know any better, until I got to play with top tier stuff at the gun store…Then I learned the difference.
Got to play with top tier stuff at the gun store but until like a year ago was pimping Arken as just as good as everything else.
His point is that people talk about the XTR2 glass being good and I’ve even seen you post that, when in reality it is shit. I’ve owned an XTR2 and it is indeed terrible glass.
His point is that people talk about the XTR2 glass being good and I’ve even seen you post that, when in reality it is shit. I’ve owned an XTR2 and it is indeed terrible glass.
You miss the point, you tell me that the xtr ii 4-20 has decent glass (and you have on other threads), my experience is diametrically opposite, so how can I believe that the xtr iii is excellent?Yeah, the XTR-II isn’t even in the same ballpark as the XTR-III, glass-wise. So your comparison is not really fair to express given he asked about the XTR-III. I have several XTR-II 5-25x50’s and they’re solid scopes. But the glass isn’t even close to my XTR-III 5.5-30x56.
Also, everyone’s eyes and experiences are different. If someone was still shooting a BSA or Tasco, and had never even looked through anything better, of course they’re going to think a modern $500 scope is a Swarovski or Zeiss.
Same reason people still think Leupold is high-quality…They’ve never owned or looked through anything better, or simply won’t admit it. That, and the whole refusal to relinquish the toxic Fudd mindset and nostalgia of “My daddy and grandad used Leupold to kill hundreds of deer!”, and leave history back where it belongs…In the past. Back when I was a kid, I was taught that same Fuddlore bullshit by my dad and uncles. I just didn’t realize it was because we were all Poors who didn’t know any better, until I got to play with top tier stuff at the gun store…Then I learned the difference.
I would hope it is improved, but I'm not willing to chance it.
Especially since there is no recourse if it is crappy glass.
I have experience with an older, but still 10 mils per turn xtr ii 3-15, I found that scope to be a very good performer, glass is far superior to my 4-20, but still not as good as my trijicon.
The ii had glass that was pretty bad. It was also all over the place, Ive seen a lot of them and some looked fine and others were hammered dog shit. The XTR iii units i have seen i thought were actually pretty dang nice. They didnt even have dandruff in them rofl
Actually, I have never told you the 4-20 has good glass, as I don’t own one, I HAVE said my XTR-II 5-25 scopes have pretty decent glass (which us true), so I assumed the 4-20 might be the same, based on the fact it’s from the same series of scopes.
Possibly, I'm not going to hunt down the posts, but I certainly recall you extolling the virtues of the XTR II glass wise.
It was some thread recently where a guy had a $700 budget or something. He was definitely pimping the XTR2 line in general because that’s what he does.
Yes, it was an awakening experience in many ways. We weren’t all born rich pricks like you…Some of us have had to figure our entire lives out for ourselves. Some of us have bought junk because it was all we could afford at the time, and sometimes that junk might actually be better than some people want to admit based on personal bias and stereotypes.
Also, sometimes, companies put out great products at a great price, then they start getting big, and stop caring, and let things slip. When that happens, it’s not the end-user’s fault for previously recommending something that was decent at the time, that has now turned to shit. I don’t control their production. But when something good goes to shit, people stop recommending them…Which is why I stopped.
Yes, all 3 of my XTR-II scopes have decent glass. They were all sealed units off the shelf, bought at different times, and were not cherry-picked by anyone. It does seem to appear that it is hit or miss, but they really weren’t discussed much on here until recently…After I had bought mine.
First of all, I wasn’t born into money. I’ve worked my ass off since I started mowing lawns when I was 8 to buy things I wanted. I grew up in a family that bought $50 Simmons and Tasso crap and realized early that shit was junk and was buying my own quality optics when I was a teenager. I’m still not rich but I do well for myself and I’m irresponsible with money so I own some really nice shit.
Second, I’ve bought junk too. Case in point I’ve bought probably a dozen Burris’s over the years including an XTR2 as I’ve already pointed out. Do you think I bought that crap because I had millions of dollars in my bank account?
Keep assuming shit though.
I also was swayed a couple years ago by the Burris fanboys / sales team at the hide to get a XTR II 4 20 , worst scope i own, can't stand looking through it.
Never had a problem with Burris CS , i was almost ready to call a couple of times to see if i could upgrade to better glass. Might still it just sits around unused.
I never disappeared. I was there for the whole thing. I have posts throughout, and Likes on posts. Here's the thing though, I don't work for Burris, I represent them on this forum and others, as well as at the range as a team shooter. I'm under no obligation to participate in these threads. I'm just a guy that shoots, just like you. And that whole thread is pretty low priority for me in the big scheme of things.
Some fellas come off as a bit hostile over this whole deal. I don't get it. It's just a rifle scope brother. Getting wrapped around the axle over it is far more trouble than it's worth.
Burris gave a refund for a very good reason, which not everyone is privy to. Make whatever you want of that. I was talking in PMs with BigJake throughout, he's a good dude, and what happened to him exposed a flaw in their system. A flaw that as of today no longer exists. So it was a good thread for Burris folks.
A decade ago, the Hide was crawling with Reps. Burris had one, so did Leupold, Nightforce, Kahles, and Vortex. We ran them all off with threads like this latest one. And this isn't just a Burris thing. Threads get all hostile like that one, everyone stops listening at any attempts at reason and completely fail to remember there's two sides to every story. Anyone who is human knows how far out of whack that can get. Jake had a legit deal, after that it was just a dog pile, and who knows what's true and what isn't. It's just one sided.
But that's why reps are gone. I did my best for Jake, but its not the same. And what you fellas think is the truth about that whole horrible Burris/Steiner company is awfully far apart from the reality. They're going to keep making good scopes and selling them. They had huge growth in 2022 and 2023, they have great products on the horizon and they're going to continue to grow. Not to down play this, as I know they have watched that thread and corrected a problem due to it. But they've fixed that problem, are moving forward with that fix, and are back to focusing on making great scopes.
So you fellas can hang on to it and make a personal thing of it to bash them at every opportunity. Or you can give them the benefit of the doubt that their working hard to bring good products and service to our shooting community. We're decent people or we aren't.
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