Gunsmithing crowning your barrel by hand **PIXXXXX**

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well as some of you may remember i was asking about crowning tools, the ones that have the pilot that goes in the bore. Well we all know the safest and most effective way to get that perfect crown is on a lathe, But what if your on a budget ? what if you dont feel safe sending your rifle out or what if you simply dont wanna fool around with taking your barrel out of the action ?

A forum member here let me borrow his crowning tool and it was so easy and quick i though i would write a vary short and none scientific write up about this since their was a small debate on my last post about crowning tools.

Below i will tell you just how i did this almost step by step, i didnt decide to get pix until i was done, and was just so excited on how easy and smooth things went i though i should share.

Step 1. When you put your barrel in the vise slope the barrel muzzle down, it dont have to be straight down just in a slope so no chips will fall down into your bore.

Step 2. put some grease on your pilot, this will keep it spinning smoothly and help ensure that it doesnt make any marks in your bore

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step 3 the rough cut. as you cut into your barrels face ( at least for me any way ) their will be some chatter, i didnt use a tap handle, instead i used my hand it helped me feel what the cutter was doing, and i could feel it skipping and hopping as i pressed it against the barrels face and was cutting away, dont forget to add some oil as you cut along.

not a good pic but note the choppy chatter

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Step 4 the fine cut and Finnish: after you get this rough cut pull the tool out and spray it with starting fluid and then hit it with some air from the air compressor, spray some starting fluid up in the muzzle to clean it out and was the chips out, its also not a bad idea to run an otis cleaning line or cable down threw the bore and pull what ever is left in the muzzle down and out, their you are chip free in the bore. next take your tool apart and clean it, the tool is designed so if you use it with the muzzle facing up its got a really cool place it stores the chips as seen below. clean this area and apply eaither grease or some sort of molly or heck even motor oil will work, then reinstall the sleave and screw.

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OK your tool is completely cleaned and now their is fresh oil or greas under and on the pilot and back in the bore it goes only this time your are not pushing hard your just lightly spinning the tool and putting vary vary easy pressure aginst it, what this does is clean the chatter off the end, and as you feel less and less skipping back off on how much pressure you apply, when you feel it spinning smoothly check your progress.

untill its pretty darn smooth, now dispite the chips this is what we end up with.

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had to do this in two stages because it couldnt hold all the pix.

as you whip the chips off with your thumb you will notice a burr where the counter sunk edge meets the bore vary simple to get rid of.

first get some gray scotch bright or some vary light 500 + grit sand paper and then push it against the face of the barrel and just spin your thumb back and forth like so

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keep checking your progress until it looks something like this, and your done

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finish by cleaning the bore with your otis cable and enjoy

**NOTE** i didnt clean my bore yet in the above picture, i went on to lapping my scope rings, and i also want to say their are no scratches in my bore from any of the above.
 
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Ur always guarandamnteeed an accurate and uniform job whenever you involve ur thumb, grease and a hand held grinding tool
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Never did find 'cuttin oil' an uniform cutting tool and an accurately dialed in spinning object a necessity!! Too hell with them expensive money grubbing asses that call themselves gunsmits!! Who needs their arrogance!!!

(Just my attempt at 2 cent humor
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As long as you're satisfied I guess that is all that is important
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Re: crowning your barrel by hand **PIXXXXX**

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ur always guarandamnteeed an accurate and uniform job whenever you involve ur thumb, grease and a hand held grinding tool
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Never did find 'cuttin oil' an uniform cutting tool and an accurately dialed in spinning object a necessity!! Too hell with them expensive money grubbing asses that call themselves gunsmits!! Who needs their arrogance!!!

(Just my attempt at 2 cent humor
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As long as you're satisfied I guess that is all that is important
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i understand your humor this in no way is better then a lathe job but it is decent.. even if i had a lathe, pressing a g3 barrel out for a 15 min crowning job and then putting it back in is hardly something i would just wanna jump in and do, i think this crowning tool did a wonderful job, i can sleep easy knowing i have a good crown on my muzzle, and i would like to stress to every one thinking of doing this, to please finish the job off with gray scotch bright if you can.. i only used the 500 grit sand paper cause i wasn't going back out to the store, the gray scotch bright is absolutely harmless to your muzzle
 
Re: crowning your barrel by hand **PIXXXXX**

Just for your information, here is the process of crowning by hand with non-rotating pilot (always more precise in general and also, safer for the barrel) and crowning cutter with serrated carbide blades. No chatter in principle, can cut any barrels, including chrome lined ones, and takes 3-6 minutes.
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ya i seen this and ya its the best hand crowning tool you can get i think, but when something comes free i never look a gift horse in the mouth.

i do wanna thank guapo for letting me use his crowning tool and ring lapping kit, you are the man. thanks

James
 
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i dont have a scope now..... i sold it, did get my rings lapped though.... iam going to hold off i think till the pst comes out.

if its not one thing its another huh... iam indecisive like that, besides after i get the rest of my reloading stuff and that scope, iam going to shoot .300 groups just for you
 
Re: crowning your barrel by hand **PIXXXXX**

Just put a Counter Sniper scope on there with that 24 step vacuum Bertrillium-Zantitium multicoating on the lenses, and you'll be shooting .200 groups in no time!!!
 
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Congrats...I hope that it works out for you!! Now that you have your barrel re-crowned, its time to rape and pillage a scope from another rifle for some T&E on your work!! (You can't honestly tell me that you are really going to wait 2+ months or maybe more on a Viper PST to become available before you shoot this thing again?!?!?)

Any old scope (as long as its functional) will work...even a lower fixed power unit will be fine for 100yd testing. Best to use a known performer in terms of ammo...FGMM, BH, etc. so that you remove any reloading variables from the accuracy equation.

I'll be interested to see how it goes for you. Good luck!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: former naval person</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who makes that crowning tool? </div></div>


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Re: crowning your barrel by hand **PIXXXXX**

Thanks for the posts, I think I will be ordering the Mansen kit in the video. Keep in mind some of us have beater rifles that do not need to go to Gap for every little problem. I agree my Gap rifles will go back to Gap for a crown when needed, but my beater sps looks like a 12 year old cut the crown, the manual crown in the video looks way better! I have a savage mk II that needs a crown also(it looks like it was crowned by the chopsaw method!), for the price and hassle to ship it off I would much rather do it my self. There is another post in the rimfire section where he actually went out and fired his rifle after a manual cut and crown (his method was a little more crude but did noticebly improve the accuaracy).
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2137639#Post2137639


 
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Wow, I hope that works out for you, I'm very curious to see the accuracy results. Honestly, I dont want anything that "chatters" anywhere near my crown. The thummy sandpaper thing makes me nervous too, but I hope it works for you, at least 1MOD.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, I hope that works out for you, I'm very curious to see the accuracy results. Honestly, I dont want anything that "chatters" anywhere near my crown. The thummy sandpaper thing makes me nervous too, but I hope it works for you, at least 1MOD. </div></div>


dont use sand paper, use scotch bright... i had to use sand paper (500 grit or above ) because i wasnt going back out to town that day so.

i just need a scope, mic seating die and charge master and we will see how accurate it makes it
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">then there's the REALLY redneck way (case chamfer tool)

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did it on a .22lr, didn't have the guts to do it on a centerfire. tightened the groups up abut 1/4" at 100 yards. </div></div>

DAMN TP! that is very hillbilly, reminds me of that Bubba gunsmithin guy on here, driftin the sights with a hatchet.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Powder Burns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now lets see how it shoots. Groups at 100yd please. :] </div></div>


sounds good please let me borrow your mic seating die a charge master and your rifle scope and ill have groups up by this coming saturday.
 
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LMAO I cant believe TOP PRED used a chamfer tool on his rifle! Thats awesome

black_ump, Im keen to see how the rifle shoots. I was not even aware of any tools to do this by hand. I have always had it in my mind that crowns are to be protected at all cost from anything that might ruin their fragile existence.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO I cant believe TOP PRED used a chamfer tool on his rifle! Thats awesome

black_ump, Im keen to see how the rifle shoots. I was not even aware of any tools to do this by hand. I have always had it in my mind that crowns are to be protected at all cost from anything that might ruin their fragile existence. </div></div>


lol some things can get built up... the crown is important but they do get nicked... glade i have a muzzle break