Cutting food programs will make people fatter...uhh...really?

[MarinePMI]

You can't make this shit up...

OPINION: Obesity Is Linked To Food Insecurity. SNAP Cuts May Make Both Worse

Over 11% of U.S. households worry about running out of food and rationing what they have. Meanwhile, 2 in 5 adults are obese. Research suggests the links between the two are stronger than we think.

www.npr.org

 

[Bender]

Logic was never a strong suit of the left

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I've Never seen, a fat POW.

 

[Codiekfx400]

It makes perfect sense to me if I thought I wasn’t going to have food for a week I would eat like a pig when it was available. Lol I don’t believe in giving food to able bodied males who are not working but if we don’t they will just go steal baby mamas food and their own kids will starve. Sad situation

 

[McReef]

Seems to check out. I remember all those starving kids in Ethiopia seemed to spur the arrival of fat cunts like sally struthers...

Therefore, starving kids = obese women. Come on guys, it’s a pretty simple connection to make.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

It makes perfect sense to me if I thought I wasn’t going to have food for a week I would eat like a pig when it was available. Lol I don’t believe in giving food to able bodied males who are not working but if we don’t they will just go steal baby mamas food and their own kids will starve. Sad situation

IMO fuck his momma and kid, that shit is not the taxpayer's responsibility.

 

[clcustom1911]

Right, because their complete lack of planning to make their money stretch by buying food at the store is somehow my problem?

The article laid out the following facts from their example:

Has some money but not enough for a full-on store run.
Store a few miles away
No car.
Fast food is more convenient until paycheck clears a few days from now.

Their solution? Fast food

My solution: walk your lazy ass there.

Take your kids too so they can carry shit as well, and burn calories... and appreciate the actual work needed to be healthy in this backwards world on which we exist.

I grew up in southern California and remember doing that a handful of times as a kid when vehicle was down hard needing repairs.

But nooooo. Instead of working for healthy food, we need to spend more money, on a serving to serving comparison on unhealthy fast food because we're lazy.

Not my problem. Walk, burn calories.

 

[M8541Reaper]

It actually makes sense, when you get past comparing kids in African countries to American kids or POWs to American adults in 2019.

Lower cost options usually are of poor nutritional value, which can lead to obesity. We, as Americans, live a very overwhelmingly sedentary lifestyle. When you take a non-active body and fuel it with garbage, it becomes garbage.

Most Americans only exert themselves for 30-60 minutes a day in the gym (overstatement), then go to work a 40hr/wk minimum wage job where they sit or stand in one place for 8hrs, then can only afford shit quality food due to their wages never truly adjusting, then you reduce services for those living in/near poverty despite working a FT gig... pretty easy to see how it can happen.

Also, for those that advocate walking to McDonald’s instead of driving, in order to combat obesity, that isn’t even going to burn off a small order of fries...let alone the salad dressing. This is how planet fitness stays in business despite only charging $10 a month lol.

 

[kenny1773]

I am going to make a leap that IN GENERAL truly poor people also lack education and might be a touch lazy
Those people are just going to eat what they like the taste of and is the least amount of effort instead of what is good for them

While it is true that some unhealthy foods are cheap - I have a pack of hotdogs in mind here and foods like that
Lettuce carrots sweet potatoes beans etc are all VERY cheap and also healthy

IMO you can't use the low cost of hotdogs as the argument when sweet potatoes and beans are just as cheap. What they call a food desert I imagine does exist in some places. No store owner is going to stock what doesn't sell, so while that is an argument too, its self fulfilling

 

[vh20]

I am going to make a leap that IN GENERAL truly poor people also lack education and might be a touch lazy
Those people are just going to eat what they like the taste of and is the least amount of effort instead of what is good for them

While it is true that some unhealthy foods are cheap - I have a pack of hotdogs in mind here and foods like that
Lettuce carrots sweet potatoes beans etc are all VERY cheap and also healthy

IMO you can't use the low cost of hotdogs as the argument when sweet potatoes and beans are just as cheap. What they call a food desert I imagine does exist in some places. No store owner is going to stock what doesn't sell, so while that is an argument too, its self fulfilling

@M8541Reaper - this. I can guarantee you that I could live a healthy lifestyle off of nothing but McDonald's if I were forced to. It's all there, you just need to make the choice, and it isn't cost-restricted.

Plus, they need to give up the Air Jordans if they can't afford food...(they won't).

Sedentary, not sedimentary...

Most Americans don't go to a gym at all.

Most of the folks referred to are not working 40 hr/wk... or at all.

And no, it doesn't "actually make sense" unless you're willing to swallow the narrative. I grew up around some "real" poor people in the rural South. NONE of them were fat... Dig? Stop taking the bait.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

@M8541Reaper - this. I can guarantee you that I could live a healthy lifestyle off of nothing but McDonald's if I were forced to. It's all there, you just need to make the choice, and it isn't cost-restricted.

Anybody "can" live a healthy lifestyle on just Mcdonalds, but their body will fucking hate them and they will feel like total fucking asshole all the time. Good luck getting motivated to burn anything when you've been fueling your body with shit, shit, and only shit. When you actually do eat a healthy balanced diet like a person with two brain cells can do none of that is a problem, but it DOES cost more to do so on average.

I'd like to add that I am not in favor of these kinds of welfare programs at all regardless.

 

[vh20]

Anybody "can" live a healthy lifestyle on just Mcdonalds, but their body will fucking hate them and they will feel like total fucking asshole all the time. Good luck getting motivated to burn anything when you've been fueling your body with shit, shit, and only shit. When you actually do eat a healthy balanced diet like a person with two brain cells can do none of that is a problem, but it DOES cost more to do so on average.

I'd like to add that I am not in favor of these kinds of welfare programs at all regardless.

Can you explain the difference in nutritional value of the foods at McD's vs the same foods somewhere else? What is the junk everyone is talking about? What's in a Big Mac? "Two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun." Special sauce is salad dressing. So, I'm seeing the components of a salad with a couple of all-beef patties on the side... Ground beef ("all-beef") patties have the same nutritional value as a ribeye.

 

[OldSalty]

Fast food aint cheaper unless you ordering off the dollar menu.

We very rarely eat fast food but was in a jam last friday. School concert, a wake for a family friend and a bunch of other shit all stacked up.

Went to McDs (small town so not a ton of options). Ordered for myself, wife and son...38 bucks. I was shocked. Either it been forever since I got fast food (which is true) or I was paying more attention to the relative cost. Didnt get anything all that...just 3 value meals, regular size and 12 nuggets.

Maybe I had sticker shock because I do our families grocery shopping each week. You can have a very good 3 person meal for 38 dollars for absolutely sure...

We eat very good, lots of variety and fresh ingrediants. I shop for deals/specials, whats on sale and use ecoupons.

The issue is fkn laziness. Period.

 

[vh20]

The issue is fkn laziness. Period.

Wait, WHAT???

 

[OldSalty]

Wait, WHAT???

Sorry, I may have strayed a bit off topic...

 

[supercorndogs]

Can you explain the difference in nutritional value of the foods at McD's vs the same foods somewhere else? What is the junk everyone is talking about? What's in a Big Mac? "Two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun." Special sauce is salad dressing. So, I'm seeing the components of a salad with a couple of all-beef patties on the side... Ground beef ("all-beef") patties have the same nutritional value as a ribeye.

There is more dressing on a big mac than lettuce. Not to mention the very low nutritional value of Ice berg lettuce, and pickles for that matter, add some processed cheese that is more oil, preservatives, and salt than milk. A couple high gluten buns that are about as digestible as concrete. You aren't getting much nutrition out of a big mac. Maybe 4-6 oz of "beef." If it comes from a cow its beef, wright?

 

[clcustom1911]

Maybe 4-6 oz of "beef." If it comes from a cow its beef, wright?

Patty, beef-like matter, brown - 2 each.

 

[supercorndogs]

I bet its a safe bet the 11% of households that fear "running out of food." Either never have, or never would if they didn't sell their food stamps for cash to buy things food stamps are not for.

 

[M8541Reaper]

@M8541Reaper - this. I can guarantee you that I could live a healthy lifestyle off of nothing but McDonald's if I were forced to. It's all there, you just need to make the choice, and it isn't cost-restricted.

Plus, they need to give up the Air Jordans if they can't afford food...(they won't).

Sedentary, not sedimentary...

Most Americans don't go to a gym at all.

Most of the folks referred to are not working 40 hr/wk... or at all.

And no, it doesn't "actually make sense" unless you're willing to swallow the narrative. I grew up around some "real" poor people in the rural South. NONE of them were fat... Dig? Stop taking the bait.

Edited. good catch, I’m an idiot and should probably proof before I post lol.

I know most don’t go to the gym, it’s very clear that we Americans are a grossly overweight and obese people. Spend any meaningful amount of time abroad and when you return it’s like you’re in a waddling sea of cows. Shit, even on bases where there are a stack of free resources and coaching, you have fat soldiers waddling about.

I believe it does include (or at least they rate to be included) those working FT, because if you think an adult working a min wage FT job isn’t poor, then there might be a disconnect.

Cutting support for those that truly need it is an issue that will only continue to grow and hurt us all in the long run. Do people abuse support programs? Definitely. Should governments put greater restrictions on services? Yes. Are people always going to find ways to scam and get the most with doing the least? Of course. Is it hard to live in poverty and eat healthy thus contributing to an unhealthy lifestyle? Yup yup.

It’s easy to say that a group of people in poverty can do _______ and buy/cook _____ for only X amount a day/meal. I get it, as I’m the cook and shopper in the house so I can make a stack of food for pretty cheap and know when/where to go shopping. The average person can’t cook nor do they know shit all about nutrition (which is evidenced by our nation’s lack of fitness and promotion of a disgusting lifestyle).

Personally I think we should send em all to pray away the fat camp, but logistics would be a nightmare. ...and I think Jesus was once quoted as saying “no fat chicks during daylight hours.” I’m not religious so don’t quote me on that.

Side question...did homeboy just essentially equate a big mag to a salad and ribeye? “HOW DARE YOU!” ?

 

[vh20]

Side question...did homeboy just essentially equate a big mag to a salad and ribeye? “HOW DARE YOU!” ?

As long as no one is lying about their ingredients... your tongue can tell the difference, but the nutritional value is similar. Of course, there's not 12-16 oz of beef on a Big Mac, and there's not an entire salad between those buns, but the point is that the ingredients are similar and have the same food value regardless of how they're presented. Back to my point - you can live a perfectly balanced nutritional lifestyle at McD's if you want to, but you can't do it buying nothing but french fries and shakes, and doing it on what's left over after buying the newest Air Jordan and iPhone. REAL poor people understand this.

 

[OldSalty]

Cutting support for those that truly need it is an issue that will only continue to grow and hurt us all in the long run.

It’s easy to say that a group of people in poverty can do _______ and buy/cook _____ for only X amount a day/meal. I get it, as I’m the cook and shopper in the house so I can make a stack of food for pretty cheap and know when/where to go shopping. The average person can’t cook nor do they know shit all about nutrition (which is evidenced by our nation’s lack of fitness and promotion of a disgusting lifestyle).

1. Lets say I agree. Who are the people who REALLY truly need the assistance?

2. Its easy to say because its true. Again its laziness. There are 1000s. Err, 10000s of helpful resources avaialble to help you learn to shop or learn to cook. Lets not conflate lack of effort/laziness for a more systemic issue. Can watch a video on youtube of your fav prank/meme but cant watch a video on cooking or nutrition. Laziness.

 

[M8541Reaper]

As long as no one is lying about their ingredients... your tongue can tell the difference, but the nutritional value is similar. Of course, there's not 12-16 oz of beef on a Big Mac, and there's not an entire salad between those buns, but the point is that the ingredients are similar and have the same food value regardless of how they're presented. Back to my point - you can live a perfectly balanced nutritional lifestyle at McD's if you want to, but you can't do it buying nothing but french fries and shakes, and doing it on what's left over after buying the newest Air Jordan and iPhone. REAL poor people understand this.

I got where you were coming from but you definitely can’t live cheap and healthy on fast food, regardless of what you order. As another member stated, your body (and mind) wouldn’t do well at all living like that. Can you be “healthier” by choosing certain items over others on their menu? Definitely. Is it actually a healthy lifestyle that’s good for you? No.

I get what you’re saying though. Shit man, the wife and I were in Tucson the other week and watched a family walk out of Chick Fil A. They had a daughter that was maybe 10 years old, weighed probably 180 pounds, and was double-fisting ice cream as it waddled through the parking lot. I have a bigger problem with that than someone buying lobster with their food stamps (referencing an older FN story). That kid’s future medical and societal issues are just as much of a drain on our society as the corruption found in the benefits world.

 

[supercorndogs]

As long as no one is lying about their ingredients... your tongue can tell the difference, but the nutritional value is similar. Of course, there's not 12-16 oz of beef on a Big Mac, and there's not an entire salad between those buns, but the point is that the ingredients are similar and have the same food value regardless of how they're presented. Back to my point - you can live a perfectly balanced nutritional lifestyle at McD's if you want to, but you can't do it buying nothing but french fries and shakes, and doing it on what's left over after buying the newest Air Jordan and iPhone. REAL poor people understand this.

All beef does not have the same food value.
All bread does not have the same food value.
All lettuce does not have the same food value.
All cheese does not have the same food value.

You are making vast generalizations not understanding that all food and vegetables are not the same. No, a piece of processed cheese does not have the nutritional value of a piece of real cheese.

You know why cheap bread is cheap? Because they harvest everything good from the wheat, oil, germ, and make other products with it. Then they leave you with a bleached almost completely non-bio available protein. Then they put some rock dust back on it and call it enriched, never mind that you can't digest absorb much of that either.

Vegetables grown for big fast food chains for America are grown with very low EC. That is a measure of nutrients they put in their hydroponic systems. Basically americans want a tomato that is red and fits on a hamburger bun. They are grown as cheaply as possible because they don't care how they taste, they will just cover it dressing. Which is extremely high calories with very little food value. As a result of the way they are grown, they don't contain much nutritional value.

Ice berg lettuce is very low in nutritional value no matter how you grow it.

 

[M8541Reaper]

All beef does not have the same food value.
All bread does not have the same food value.
All lettuce does not have the same food value.
All cheese does not have the same food value.

You are making vast generalizations not understanding that all food and vegetables are not the same. No, a piece of processed cheese does not have the nutritional value of a piece of real cheese.

You know why cheap bread is cheap? Because they harvest everything good from the wheat, oil, germ, and make other products with it. Then they leave you with a bleached almost completely non-bio available protein. Then they put some rock dust back on it and call it enriched, never mind that you can't digest absorb much of that either.

Vegetables grown for big fast food chains for America are grown with very low EC. That is a measure of nutrients they put in their hydroponic systems. Basically americans want a tomato that is red and fits on a hamburger bun. They are grown as cheaply as possible because they don't care how they taste, they will just cover it dressing. Which is extremely high calories with very little food value. As a result of the way they are grown, they don't contain much nutritional value.

Ice berg lettuce is very low in nutritional value no matter how you grow it.

Right?!?

 

[vh20]

All beef does not have the same food value.

Ice berg lettuce is very low in nutritional value no matter how you grow it.

...Other than fat content (which is variable and manipulated according to intended use) can you show me the difference in nutritional value of one cut of beef over another? Speaking of fat, I've had some ribeyes that were probably at least 25% fat content (like regular, non-lean hamburger) prior to either being cooked.

...And yet iceberg lettuce is the main ingredient in what people assume is a "healthy" salad.

 

[supercorndogs]

...Other than fat content (which is variable and manipulated according to intended use) can you show me the difference in nutritional value of one cut of beef over another? Speaking of fat, I've had some ribeyes that were probably at least 25% fat content (like regular, non-lean hamburger) prior to either being cooked.

...And yet iceberg lettuce is the main ingredient in what people assume is a "healthy" salad.

A ribeye is one of the less healthy cuts of beef due to fat content, but you can trim and broil a lot of that fat off. On the high end 22% for a ribeye, while all McDonalds patties contain 20% fat, but fat and protein content aren't the entire story.

I visited a McDonald's meat-processing factory and saw how their burgers are really made

McDonald's attracts plenty of customers, but many wonder how the burgers are really made — from meat quality to preservatives.

www.businessinsider.com

What’s the Difference Between Grass- and Grain-Fed Beef?

The foods that a cow eats can significantly affect its meat’s nutrient composition. Learn the difference between grass- and grain-fed beef.

www.healthline.com

The Healthiest Steak and Cuts of Beef to Cook and Grill

Sirloin, filet mignon, porterhouse, ribeye, T-bone: Red meat isn’t so healthy to start with, but some cuts of steak are significantly worse than others

melmagazine.com

How Healthy Is Iceberg Lettuce, Exactly?

There may not be much love for this classic salad staple in health circles, but it’s not as bad as you might think.

www.cookinglight.com

Maybe someone who thinks they know told these people you speak of ice berg is healthy. I mean its not unhealthy, unless its the only thing you are eating, but its not a substitute for all your vegetables. I like iceberg, but that tiny bit sprinkled on a mac mac isn't balancing out that meal. Most people paying attention are using romain or arugula for their higher nutrient content.

Why don't you just lay me out a well balanced McDonalds diet?

 

[vh20]

"These people I speak of" is just the general public perception that a salad is healthy. Ask any soccer mom if she thinks a salad is a healthy meal. They don't stop to think about what kind of lettuce it is. Iceberg lettuce is just a step up from styrofoam, but it won't make you fat, so it's "healthy".

No time to read it all, but your article on cuts of meat equate "healthy," once again, with fat content. That's got nothing to do with nutritional value. As I said earlier..."other than fat content" from one cut to another...

The one on grass-fed conflicts itself, stating "the difference isn't great," but it has "much higher" content of certain vitamins. Which is it? Actually, the grass-fed argument is like climate change - it's "settled science" for some who truly believe. It is an ongoing debate, but either way it doesn't come into the argument. I'm comparing one cut of beef to another, from the same, conventionally-raised animal. And, people on a budget aren't buying trendy grass-fed beef when they make a choice to shop or go for fast food instead.

The truth of the matter is, for the most part - other than fat content which is manipulated - beef is beef regardless of which cut it is, and has essentially the same nutritional value. Your article on McD's did a good job of illustrating they are making 100% beef patties with a fat content 5% lower than standard "ground beef" at the grocer.

For the most part, I'm just playing Army Jerry and trolling a bit. What many people think is "healthy" or "unhealthy" is really based on misperceptions fostered by fads and uninformed media stories.

 

[MtnCreek]

If these poor people were really poor they'd be eating beans and/or rice, a veggie and a cheap cut of pork, beef or chicken, when they could afford a meat. The poor people that the country doesn't care about eat the same, supplemented with put up garden veggies and wild meat / fish.

Most of the poor people I see are riding the fat buggy and loud-talking on their smart phone. Fuck them.

 

[OldSalty]

Lack of self control, lack of discipline and laziness.

Plus a sprinkle of inability to tell a child "no". Hence the double-fisted ice cream cones.

All this this is a prime example of deflecting blame from "individual responsibility" to "someone else's fault"...

Crazy.

 

[MarinePMI]

You guys are channeling your inner Pollan.

I highly recommended reading any of his books, but at the top of the list: The Omnivore's Dilemma

And right behind that: In Defense of Food.

If you're not a reader and have Netflix, then give "Cooked" a gander...

Yes, the guy is liberal as shit, but his work on the food we eat is very interesting and backed by history and facts.

 

[supercorndogs]

"These people I speak of" is just the general public perception that a salad is healthy. Ask any soccer mom if she thinks a salad is a healthy meal. They don't stop to think about what kind of lettuce it is. Iceberg lettuce is just a step up from styrofoam, but it won't make you fat, so it's "healthy".

No time to read it all, but your article on cuts of meat equate "healthy," once again, with fat content. That's got nothing to do with nutritional value. As I said earlier..."other than fat content" from one cut to another...

The one on grass-fed conflicts itself, stating "the difference isn't great," but it has "much higher" content of certain vitamins. Which is it? Actually, the grass-fed argument is like climate change - it's "settled science" for some who truly believe. It is an ongoing debate, but either way it doesn't come into the argument. I'm comparing one cut of beef to another, from the same, conventionally-raised animal. And, people on a budget aren't buying trendy grass-fed beef when they make a choice to shop or go for fast food instead.

The truth of the matter is, for the most part - other than fat content which is manipulated - beef is beef regardless of which cut it is, and has essentially the same nutritional value. Your article on McD's did a good job of illustrating they are making 100% beef patties with a fat content 5% lower than standard "ground beef" at the grocer.

For the most part, I'm just playing Army Jerry and trolling a bit. What many people think is "healthy" or "unhealthy" is really based on misperceptions fostered by fads and uninformed media stories.

You ask for them, i take my time to run them down, then you don't read them, classic. LOL. I love it, taking issue with something you didn't read. The article does not contradict itself. You have to read the entire two sentences for context, and not try to take one out of context to start. then finish the article for the rest of context to that statement.

"But even though the difference isn’t great, grass-fed beef generally contains higher amounts of certain nutrients.

Compared with grain-fed beef, grass-fed is much higher in the following vitamins:

• Vitamin A. Grass-fed beef contains carotenoid precursors to vitamin A, such as beta carotene.
• Vitamin E. This antioxidant sits in your cell membranes and protects them from oxidation (4Trusted Source).

I.E much higher in A and E, rest of the articles lays out things it is only a little higher in. i was going to explain some more, but its all in the article for anyone who isn't just being ignorant.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure an animal that grew standing on grass, will be healthier than an animal raised in knee deep shit. You can get feed lot grass fed also. Pasture raised is what you actually want.

5% less than the standard beef at the grocer? Have you ever seen 75/25 at the grocery store? I don't think I have never seen 75/25. 80/20, 90/10 and 93/7 but never 75/25. Mcdaonalds is 80/20, the cheapest ground beef I know of.

The grass fed article very plainly lays out that two pieces of beef from different cows are not the same.

The article about cuts of meat, gives context as to what cut of meat an 80/20 mcdonalds pattie compares to. I.E one of the higher fat content, less healthy cuts, like a ribeye. No fat and protein aren't the whole story as laid out in the grass fed article.

Maybe just go take a short class about nutrition.

The general public perception that a salad is healthier than a big mac is correct. The claim that a big mac is nothing but a salad and beef with bread is stupid.

Please quit wasting time, quit deflecting, and make your point. Lay me out a balanced diet eating only at McDonalds.

 

[MarinePMI]

The Beef Industry Episode | Starting Strength Radio #34

Jenny Johnson and Richard Lehman join Mark Rippetoe for a discussion on the beef industry and all the myths, misconceptions, and lies about beef and h

startingstrength.com

 

[timesublime]

Have you ever seen 75/25 at the grocery store?

Seen 73/27%. Not sure what good it is.

 

[supercorndogs]

Seen 73/27%. Not sure what good it is.

Its supposed to make extra tasty burgers. Beef fat tastes very good. I have never seen it, some places you can ask for it.

 

[Aries256]

Oh here we go, more excuses for why some people are fat pigs. Its always every excuse under the sun. Not the 3 big macs, large fry, giant soda, then followed by chips and candy after torturing the car’s suspension on the way home. Whaaa whaaa no excuses, its simple forktomouth syndrome.

 

[timesublime]

I saw it at the Costco business center in ten lb tubes.

 

[EddieNFL]

Edited. good catch, I’m an idiot and should probably proof before I post lol.

I know most don’t go to the gym, it’s very clear that we Americans are a grossly overweight and obese people. Spend any meaningful amount of time abroad and when you return it’s like you’re in a waddling sea of cows. Shit, even on bases where there are a stack of free resources and coaching, you have fat soldiers waddling about.

I believe it does include (or at least they rate to be included) those working FT, because if you think an adult working a min wage FT job isn’t poor, then there might be a disconnect.

Cutting support for those that truly need it is an issue that will only continue to grow and hurt us all in the long run. Do people abuse support programs? Definitely. Should governments put greater restrictions on services? Yes. Are people always going to find ways to scam and get the most with doing the least? Of course. Is it hard to live in poverty and eat healthy thus contributing to an unhealthy lifestyle? Yup yup.

It’s easy to say that a group of people in poverty can do _______ and buy/cook _____ for only X amount a day/meal. I get it, as I’m the cook and shopper in the house so I can make a stack of food for pretty cheap and know when/where to go shopping. The average person can’t cook nor do they know shit all about nutrition (which is evidenced by our nation’s lack of fitness and promotion of a disgusting lifestyle).

Personally I think we should send em all to pray away the fat camp, but logistics would be a nightmare. ...and I think Jesus was once quoted as saying “no fat chicks during daylight hours.” I’m not religious so don’t quote me on that.

Side question...did homeboy just essentially equate a big mag to a salad and ribeye? “HOW DARE YOU!” ?

They could use their iphones to research nutrition and cooking info.

 

[kenny1773]

While some cuts of beef are higher quality than others, I think that mostly related to taste and texture.
Grass Fed beef contains more omega-3 fatty acids (which are good for you), I am pretty certain that is proven

When I eat at McDonald's I generally just get their small double hamburger plain. Usually road trips or doing something where I am just stuck eating fast food.

Here are the big mac details that can be found on the web. I was shocked to see 100% beef no fillers
While this is not a steak, remove the sauce and maybe toss the top half of the bun, and you are getting somewhere for cheap



View Ingredients & Allergens
Big Mac Bun
Ingredients: Enriched Flour (Wheat Flour, Malted Barley Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, Sugar, Yeast, Soybean Oil, Contains 2% or Less: Salt, Wheat Gluten, Sesame Seeds, Potato Flour, May Contain One or More Dough Conditioners (DATEM, Ascorbic Acid, Mono and Diglycerides, Enzymes), Vinegar.
Contains: Wheat.

100% Beef Patty
Ingredients: 100% Pure USDA Inspected Beef; No Fillers, No Extenders.
Prepared with Grill Seasoning (Salt, Black Pepper).
Shredded Lettuce
Ingredients: Lettuce.

Big Mac Sauce
Ingredients: Soybean Oil, Sweet Relish (Diced Pickles, Sugar, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Distilled Vinegar, Salt, Corn Syrup, Xanthan Gum, Calcium Chloride, Spice Extractives), Water, Egg Yolks, Distilled Vinegar, Spices, Onion Powder, Salt, Propylene Glycol Alginate, Garlic Powder, Vegetable Protein (Hydrolyzed Corn, Soy and Wheat), Sugar, Caramel Color, Turmeric, Extractives of Paprika, Soy Lecithin.
Contains: Egg, Soy, Wheat.

Pasteurized Process American Cheese
Ingredients: Milk, Cream, Water, Sodium Citrate, Salt, Cheese Cultures, Citric Acid, Enzymes, Soy Lecithin, Color Added.
Contains: Milk, Soy.

Pickle Slices
Ingredients: Cucumbers, Water, Distilled Vinegar, Salt, Calcium Chloride, Alum, Potassium Sorbate (Preservative), Natural Flavors, Polysorbate 80, Extractives of Turmeric (Color).

Onions
Ingredients: Onions.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

Comes back to that old addage, "beggars can't be choosers". Of course there are ways to eat healthy on a budget, that's not what I meant to deny, what I'm denying is that it's not easier to eat healthy on a budget and on average does cost more.

I weight lifted and tracked macros all through college, I ate like a goddamn king but I HAD to make it a priority or else I would've been eating goddamn Hardy's or McD's all the fucking time which is basically digestible pink goo caloric trash. There is no way that I have ever found to eat a healthy balanced diet for less than what McShit costs. I used to eat chicken, noodles, and veggies at least three times a week and each meal was around $12 because I would burn it every day, that's ~$36 dollars a day for one person. Had I gone to McDicky's I could get six single coma burgers for less than $7 and not go hungry all day.

During this time I began to loathe eating, it became a constant chore. I still fucking hate it a lot of the time, but McD's tastes great to me. I still won't eat McShit ever. It tranquilizes me for the entire goddamn day, I won't touch the shit anymore. I'd rather be a fucking vegan than eat McDong's franchise fat farm bullshit. It definitely IS cheaper, though.

 

[M8541Reaper]

They could use their iphones to research nutrition and cooking info.

True lol...but look at the Hide... you have people that won’t even take the time to google before posting when it comes to a hobby they enjoy...do you really think the poors are going to google how to cook potatoes and lettuce?

 

[AIAW]

Because really, those programs just mean more "hard cash" for spinning rims and a new aighPhone right?

 

[Rthur]

Not that many years ago Mom and Pop grocery stores were everywhere.
While not "Whole Foods" the choices for healthy diets were plentiful.
Gardening from parents/grand parents was more than common.
This died as a result of money stream concentration.
I remember when going to a fast food joint was a treat.

R

 

[EddieNFL]

True lol...but look at the Hide... you have people that won’t even take the time to google before posting when it comes to a hobby they enjoy...do you really think the poors are going to google how to cook potatoes and lettuce?

Of course not. I agree with pretty much everything you've said, but throwing money at the problem sure hasn't worked. I grew up poor. Both parents born into the depression, no education, sharecropping families. My parents worked hard. My father held many different jobs, usually requiring 12-14 hours seven days each week.my mother worked the late shift at the local diner. She took any other shift available. Later she landed a job sewing sofa cushion covers at a furniture factory. She worked there for more than 40 years. My dad worked until he was physically unable (73).

In the summer, my parents planted a garden. We didn't a plot, but a neighbor let us use a small plot if we worked a garden for him. My brother and I woukd pick peas and beans, shuck corn, whatever. When the tobacco crop came in we drove tractors, cropped and hung it. Towards the end of the summer, after it was cured, we would "unstring" it and my mother would grade it for market before or after work.

I remember Friday night dinner would often be stewed tomatoes and grits. Some fatback if we were lucky. Pay day was Saturday. Not a lot of ribeye or lambchop, but we never went hungry.

My father wss a pround man. He would never consider an assistance program. I know we qualified for free school lunch, but he threw the forms away every school year.

Forgive me if I have little sympathy for someone "forced" to feed the family at Mcdonalds.

 

[OldSalty]

Using Walmart as an example since most people have once reasonably close to them.

See my above post where it was about 38 bucks for myself, wife and son at McD's last week.

No coupons, no sale items...

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7.42 2lbs

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1.48 ea

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1.98/lb

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1.63 bunch

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1.34 12oz

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2.17 20oz

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0.62 ea

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9.83 4.7lbs

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1.98 32oz

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1.77 8oz

Burger - 7.42
Buns - 0.84
Lettuce - 1.48
Tomatoes - 0.99
Sweet Potatoes - 1.77
Apples - 3.27
Bananas - 1.63
Lima Beans - 1.34
Ketchup = 2.17
Cucumber - 0.62
Chicken - 9.83
Rice - 1.98
Carrots - 0.82
GN Beans - 1.56
Celery - 1.38
Onion - 0.54
Mustard - 1.00
Cheese - 1.77

Total - 39.41

A family of 3 could eat dinner off this for at least 3 days. With some decent variety. Plus the condiments will last months in the fridge for multiple uses. The dry beans and rice will keep very good as well.

Sure there are no chips, cookies, ice cream, pie, cake, hotpockets, synthetic chicken nuggets, or other junk. Like I tell my son, if you are hungry before dinner is ready eat a damn apple or a banana.

Son - "But dad that's not what I want"
Dad - "I guess you ain't THAT hungry then, looks like you will wait for dinner to be ready". "Plus, you are hardly going to starve in the next hour".
Son - "Whatever, OK Boomer"

(I'm not a boomer he just likes to say it and we both get a laugh).

Tell me again how the poor are forced into fast food because its cheaper. More convenient, easier, takes less time, effort...sure.

 

[MarinePMI]

Edited. good catch, I’m an idiot and should probably proof before I post lol.

I know most don’t go to the gym, it’s very clear that we Americans are a grossly overweight and obese people. Spend any meaningful amount of time abroad and when you return it’s like you’re in a waddling sea of cows. Shit, even on bases where there are a stack of free resources and coaching, you have fat soldiers waddling about.

I believe it does include (or at least they rate to be included) those working FT, because if you think an adult working a min wage FT job isn’t poor, then there might be a disconnect.

Cutting support for those that truly need it is an issue that will only continue to grow and hurt us all in the long run. Do people abuse support programs? Definitely. Should governments put greater restrictions on services? Yes. Are people always going to find ways to scam and get the most with doing the least? Of course. Is it hard to live in poverty and eat healthy thus contributing to an unhealthy lifestyle? Yup yup.

It’s easy to say that a group of people in poverty can do _______ and buy/cook _____ for only X amount a day/meal. I get it, as I’m the cook and shopper in the house so I can make a stack of food for pretty cheap and know when/where to go shopping. The average person can’t cook nor do they know shit all about nutrition (which is evidenced by our nation’s lack of fitness and promotion of a disgusting lifestyle).

Personally I think we should send em all to pray away the fat camp, but logistics would be a nightmare. ...and I think Jesus was once quoted as saying “no fat chicks during daylight hours.” I’m not religious so don’t quote me on that.

Side question...did homeboy just essentially equate a big mag to a salad and ribeye? “HOW DARE YOU!” ?

Of course, the easy solution would be to bring back Home Economics back to schools. What a novel concept, eh?

Teach a kid, regardless of their parents ability, or their social standing, how to cook a basic meal, bake a cake, sew buttons on a shirt, hell, even sew a shirt. It isn't the availability of information that is missing, it's dedicating the time to have children learn the information. Smh...the education system is also part of this problem.

 

[M8541Reaper]

Of course not. I agree with pretty much everything you've said, but throwing money at the problem sure hasn't worked. I grew up poor. Both parents born into the depression, no education, sharecropping families. My parents worked hard. My father held many different jobs, usually requiring 12-14 hours seven days each week.my mother worked the late shift at the local diner. She took any other shift available. Later she landed a job sewing sofa cushion covers at a furniture factory. She worked there for more than 40 years. My dad worked until he was physically unable (73).

In the summer, my parents planted a garden. We didn't a plot, but a neighbor let us use a small plot if we worked a garden for him. My brother and I woukd pick peas and beans, shuck corn, whatever. When the tobacco crop came in we drove tractors, cropped and hung it. Towards the end of the summer, after it was cured, we would "unstring" it and my mother would grade it for market before or after work.

I remember Friday night dinner would often be stewed tomatoes and grits. Some fatback if we were lucky. Pay day was Saturday. Not a lot of ribeye or lambchop, but we never went hungry.

My father wss a pround man. He would never consider an assistance program. I know we qualified for free school lunch, but he threw the forms away every school year.

Forgive me if I have little sympathy for someone "forced" to feed the family at Mcdonalds.

I agree with ya man, and yea, throwing money at it definitely isn’t going to solve it (it never solves anything). There is no simple solution to an issue that isn’t a one-liner.

It’s a complicated issue and not one that can be addressed by just throwing money at it or dismissing poverty-linked obesity by saying it’s only due to laziness.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

How much are yall eating in a single sitting? If I don't get the spins I ain't full.

 

[MarinePMI]

Using Walmart as an example since most people have once reasonably close to them.

See my above post where it was about 38 bucks for myself, wife and son at McD's last week.

No coupons, no sale items...

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7.42 2lbs

Robot or human?

www.walmart.com

0.84 8 count

Robot or human?

www.walmart.com

1.48 ea

Robot or human?

www.walmart.com

1.98/lb

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1.77 3lbs

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1.63 bunch

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1.34 12oz

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2.17 20oz

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9.83 4.7lbs

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1.98 32oz

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1.77 8oz

Burger - 7.42
Buns - 0.84
Lettuce - 1.48
Tomatoes - 0.99
Sweet Potatoes - 1.77
Apples - 3.27
Bananas - 1.63
Lima Beans - 1.34
Ketchup = 2.17
Cucumber - 0.62
Chicken - 9.83
Rice - 1.98
Carrots - 0.82
GN Beans - 1.56
Celery - 1.38
Onion - 0.54
Mustard - 1.00
Cheese - 1.77

Total - 39.41

A family of 3 could eat dinner off this for at least 3 days. With some decent variety. Plus the condiments will last months in the fridge for multiple uses. The dry beans and rice will keep very good as well.

Sure there are no chips, cookies, ice cream, pie, cake, hotpockets, synthetic chicken nuggets, or other junk. Like I tell my son, if you are hungry before dinner is ready eat a damn apple or a banana.

Son - "But dad that's not what I want"
Dad - "I guess you ain't THAT hungry then, looks like you will wait for dinner to be ready". "Plus, you are hardly going to starve in the next hour".
Son - "Whatever, OK Boomer"

(I'm not a boomer he just likes to say it and we both get a laugh).

Tell me again how the poor is forced into fast food because its cheaper. More convenient, easier, takes less time, effort...sure.

Reminds me of a quote from that movie "Cooked" that I mentioned earlier. It was a guy from ConAgra IIRC, and he said (about the obesity problems in the US) that the solution was easy. "You can eat anything you want. Cake, pie, cookies, ice cream. Just make one simple rule; You have to make it yourself." People have gotten fat because they eat whatever they want, whenever they want, without any effort involved...

 

[OldSalty]

It’s a complicated issue and not one that can be addressed by just throwing money at it or dismissing poverty-linked obesity by saying it’s only due to laziness.

(Edited).

Oh, its not only laziness. Laziness is just the main factor.

-depression / anxiety
-self-gratification
-ignorance (literal definition)
-lack of self control / compulsive behavior / addiction
-etc

You obviously have a very big heart, as do I. I can be a cynical bastard too though (inherent to us gen-X types). And sometimes the best love is tough love. You cannot just keep giving and EXPECT people to change. People must want it for themselves and work hard to overcome (I have seen this multiple times - first hand with very tragic life-ending results).

Some will, some will not. This is life, and yet the hands of time move forward regardless. It sucks, I agree. Its sad, I agree.

Yes, some people do need help and I do not mind helping those that truly need it. I pay taxes (partly) for this very reason. But do not get me started on that topic...

 

[M8541Reaper]

(Edited).

Oh, its not only laziness. Laziness is just the main factor.

-depression / anxiety
-self-gratification
-ignorance (literal definition)
-lack of self control / compulsive behavior / addiction
-etc

You obviously have a very big heart, as do I. I can be a cynical bastard too though (inherent to us gen-X types). And sometimes the best love is tough love. You cannot just keep giving and EXPECT people to change. People must want it for themselves and work hard to overcome (I have seen this multiple times - first hand with very tragic life-ending results).

Some will, some will not. This is life, and yet the hands of time move forward regardless. It sucks, I agree. Its sad, I agree.

Yes, some people do need help and I do not mind helping those that truly need it. I pay taxes (partly) for this very reason. But do not get me started on that topic...

We’re on the same page man. And yea, that’s a whole other can of worms lol ?