Daniel Defense DD5V5 - optic suggestions

[kmacs1234]

Hello Everyone,

This is my first time posting. I just wanted to know if anyone has any suggestions regarding an optic for a Daniel Defense DD5V5. I have a NF ATACR 7-35x I am currently not using and was wondering if this may be too much scope for my rifle. I am looking to shoot between 600-700 yards and wanted to see if anyone has had experiences with a optic for this rifle.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

 

[Desert_Racer]

ATACR 1-8 or 4-16 if you want more mag.
Vortex Razor 1-10 is a good choice also.

The 7-35 is a massive scope to put on that rifle, IMO.

 

[Milf Dots]

Buy a good quality LPVO scope NOT made in China.

 

[Maciej]

ATACR 1-8 or 4-16 if you want more mag.
Vortex Razor 1-10 is a good choice also.

The 7-35 is a massive scope to put on that rifle, IMO.

This. Just put an ATACR 1-8 on my AR, love it.

 

[kmacs1234]

Thanks everyone. Guess I need to spend money to buy another scope. The insight is appreciated.

 

[Naaman]

If it's going to be an LPVO, Eotech has a new 1-10x28 that might be worth consideration. I don't have any time on that scope. Just one I've been eyeing as a solution for the same kind of application.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

What few reviews are out there don't seem to flattering

What reviews are you finding? So far everything I've seen is someone reading the specs off the website or a Warrior Poet Society video where he starts by saying MOA is for people that use inches and MIL is for meters, so everything he says after that is suspect.

 

[Naaman]

What few reviews are out there don't seem to flattering

I'm still at a level where I defer to others with regard to applications for magnified optics. I do remember reading on here (I think) that they omitted a certain adjustment (parallax, maybe? Can't recall exactly, and can't find the thread/post for reference).

For now, the first LPVO on my list is the NX8 at 17oz. But the 28mm objective on the Trijicon 1-8 and Eotech 1-10 have caught my attention. The VCOG (heavy as it is), mounts without needing to be leveled, which also appeals to me.

 

[Jsp556]

The V5 is the 20” version right? Seems a higher mag optic would be a better fit.

I have a NX8 1-8. Nuclear bright illumination, short, and light. Eye box is tighter than the atacr, Razor, Khales LPVO’s but isn’t bad. Reticle is great at 1x but on 8x the center dot is big for shooting small targets. No problem hitting 18”x24” plates at 600 yards. At distance you’re using holdovers anyway if you’re using it as intended. You can always dial down and use the 2mil hash if you have to shoot tiny stuff. It works great for what a lpvo was designed to do, not so much as a precision optic.

 

[Naaman]

First owners are posting pictures of the reticle and it sounds like it struggles with illumination.

Ya, an NX8 is top off my list. People are describing it is more of a close range red dot than a long range precision rifle optic. That's a positive in my book for a 1x LPVO.

Yeah. For me, its one of my (for now) theoretical "head builds" based on wanting to have the optic on a rifle where the two optimize each other.

Biggest question I haven't decided on is barrel length.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

First owners are posting pictures of the reticle and it sounds like it struggles with illumination.

Ya, an NX8 is top off my list. People are describing it is more of a close range red dot than a long range precision rifle optic. That's a positive in my book for a 1x LPVO.

A buddy of mine got one who has a lot of experience with LPVO’s and says it’s awesome. I actually have one in order based on his feedback.

The NX8 blows. The fisheye and the eye box is terrible with them.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

So the opposite from your perspective?

I don’t have direct experience with the Eotech but the feedback I’ve gotten is from someone who very much knows what they’re doing.

The NX8 I have direct experience with and if you gave me one for free I wouldn’t mount it on my rifle if that says anything.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

The NX8 blows. The fisheye and the eye box is terrible with them.

My opinion as well.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Wow. I'm about deadset on an NX8 but I've never laid hands on one. As far as I can tell right now the only other scopes I would buy is an atacr, the Gen 3 1 to 10, or maybe a March. I really don't expect perfect glass out of a scope like this but I might change my mind if it's bad enough. It seems like the baseline discriminator is a true full daylight illumination and unfortunately only a few scopes appear to do that right now. A Vcog looks cool but is amazingly expensive.

If nuclear bright illumination is what you seek then the vortex is the most squared away all around. My only complaints are the poo brown color (not sure why they can’t just fucking make them black) and the eye box is a little bit tighter in the higher magnification range than some of the other primo LPVO’s. If the Eotech takes too long to come in it’s my backup option still, it’ll just look retarded on a grey Virtus but whatever.

The eyebox on the March blows too. Never messed with a VCOG but I wasn’t super impressed with their 1-8.

Check out the Kahles too. Great optic but the reticle is a deal breaker for me.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Nooooo!!!!!

Damit. I thought my search was over... Well, for the price I can get one I can easily resell it if I don't like it without losing money.

So I happened into a local store yesterday for a couple small AR parts and they had a 1-10 Vudu in the counter that I got to play with a little. They didn’t have anything else really to compare it to except a PST 1-6 and another chinesium that I didn’t recognize so I didn’t. Obviously not mounted or anything but the eyebox seemed really really nice and the illumination was far brighter than what I remember the 1-6 Vudu being but not quite what my 1-6 razors were. I didn’t care for the illumination buttons though, I thought I remembered the 1-6 being much better in that regard but I don’t recall.

Based on the buttons I canceled my order and went with the Vortex 1-10.

 

[Bigjake83]

I concur, the NX8 Sucks Donkey Dick! I didn't even bother mounting it. I'm a magnification whore so I hate LPVO with a passion, that being said if I had to own one it would be the HD Gen 3.

I still stand by my opinion from the other Scope thread, the Bushy DMR3 just does the job for a Mid sized .308 gasser.

 

[Naaman]

GDami't....

Is the ATACR out of the question?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

No. That and the Vortex are the only options left. I just don't like how big they are.

If you’re stuck on NF get the ATACR. The NX8 really does suck compared to the other stuff out there in that primo but sub short dot dual CC price range.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

What else is a 18oz 1-8 with a nuclear bright dot? A March is the only one I know

Nothing worth owning IMO. The Kahles 1-8 maybe but it’s SFP and I’m not a fan of their reticles.

 

[Naaman]

What else is a 18oz 1-8 with a nuclear bright dot? A March is the only one I know

I just looked at the March. Anything wrong with it? I assume it lacks a military pedigree (never heard them mentioned as having one, anyway). Would that be the only reason?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

The eyebox and fisheye on the March is terrible.

 

[Softtail103]

Kahles K16i works great

 

[ut755ln]

Having read this site for years, I will freely admit that I am way more forgiving of scopes than most posters. I have a VUDU 1-6 which works fine for me with holds out to around 400 yards. I bought it because it was on sale at Europtics off their demo list and it has worked flawlessly. At the NRA show, I got to mess with the new Primary Arms Compact PLX is pretty freaking nice for the money.

 

[Naaman]

Having read this site for years, I will freely admit that I am way more forgiving of scopes than most posters. I have a VUDU 1-6 which works fine for me with holds out to around 400 yards. I bought it because it was on sale at Europtics off their demo list and it has worked flawlessly. At the NRA show, I got to mess with the new Primary Arms Compact PLX is pretty freaking nice for the money.

I'm thinking that for me, an NX8 would be an "upgrade" from a dot/magnifier on a particular kind of rifle. I still like dot/magnifier because I don't like messing around with eye boxes (yes, I know: training). The kind of shooting I do tends to be more variable and requires a degree of flexibility and creativity with regard to choosing a position.

The NX8 is still my first choice in terms of overall features/specs, but I'm still attracted to the VCOG for the simplicity of it's mounting solution (I don't need a workbench to mount it properly, and I can mess around with positioning to get the best eye relief without worrying about camming the optic every time I need to adjust it within some rings).

 

[TonyTheTiger]

I still like dot/magnifier because I don't like messing around with eye boxes (yes, I know: training). The kind of shooting I do tends to be more variable and requires a degree of flexibility and creativity with regard to choosing a position.

I don't know, I spent all weekend shooting with a Razor 1-6x, and if you can't see the dot with that you're not gonna see it with a red dot either. It really is that forgiving.
That said, the NX8 isn't remotely close to being red dot-ish.

 

[Naaman]

I don't know, I spent all weekend shooting with a Razor 1-6x, and if you can't see the dot with that you're not gonna see it with a red dot either. It really is that forgiving.
That said, the NX8 isn't remotely close to being red dot-ish.

Yeah, sorry. I kinda got on a tangent there. For personal/political reasons, I won't buy a Vortex (or certain other brands), so that really limits me to just a few options. Basically, NF, Eotech, Trijicon, Aimpoint... and the German stuff, which tends to be pricey for me (at least until I really know what I'm doing with magnified optics. For now, I'm really just relying on BRM principles to get things done).

What I meant to say was that, for an application where an LPVO is optimal, the NX8 may be "enough" for me because I wouldn't know what to do with a fancy reticle. That said, I would get the ATACR reticle in the NX8 if I did buy one. For a "general purpose," though, I still prefer the dot/magnifier (though I feel that the "standard" 3x should only be used if it's a micro and weight savings is a priority, otherwise, a 5x or 6x should be considered the standard).

 

[Jackjam]

My 2 dd5s. 16 and 18. I happen to love the vortex stuff and have another 1-10 on an 18” ar. I also have an Nx8 for comparasion. The eye box is tighter but not horrible. I have mine on a mk18. The dot brightness is good it’s just not razor gen 2 good. It’s a smaller optic and looks weird on big rifles imo. I traded a gen2 e for it so I could try the nf hype. The atacr is probably better but just don’t seem worth it to me but never looked through one.

 

[Naaman]

Nice set ups.

 

[TimK]

I've had an NX8 for quite a while now. I guess I was an early adopter. I'd seen the complaints about the center dot being too big, but for my purposes it's a non issue. I'd not heard about the fisheye thing. After reading the comments, I went back and looked. It's definitely there at 1X, but I'd frankly never noticed it before. To be fair, most of my shooting with it has been at 6X to 8X, but I have put several hundred rounds through it doing drills up close and never saw it.

I'm in love with how light and compact it is, and I'd gladly have a couple more. I did just discover that the illumination is not compatible with NV, so maybe that's something to think about. I'm new to the NV world, so it hadn't been a concern until just recently.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

For personal/political reasons, I won't buy a Vortex (or certain other brands),

Uhhhh, what?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Haven’t shot it yet but my 1-10 was delivered yesterday and so far passes the larping around the house test.

 

[Naaman]

Uhhhh, what?

Since you asked, I stay away from stuff that is built with slave labor: feels hypocritical to me to promote my freedoms on the backs of slaves. I know their "good" stuff is made in Japan, but their whole business model relies on slaves to be able to offer what they offer (no questions warranty, for example).

I try to apply the philosophy: if taking a stand isn't costing you something, then its just virtue signalling. In this case, its more expensive for me than it "needs to be" because I won't buy from a company that relies on slave labor to make a profit.

Vortex also supports anti-2A organizations (the fudd type of anti-2A orgs).

 

[Bigjake83]

Since you asked, I stay away from stuff that is built with slave labor: feels hypocritical to me to promote my freedoms on the backs of slaves. I know their "good" stuff is made in Japan, but their whole business model relies on slaves to be able to offer what they offer (no questions warranty, for example).

I try to apply the philosophy: if taking a stand isn't costing you something, then its just virtue signalling. In this case, its more expensive for me than it "needs to be" because I won't buy from a company that relies on slave labor to make a profit.

Vortex also supports anti-2A organizations (the fudd type of anti-2A orgs).

How in the actual fuck do you come to this conclusion??

 

[Naaman]

How in the actual fuck do you come to this conclusion??

I'll try and dig it up. Give me a bit. It has a lot to do with the divide between "fudds" and "pro 2A" ideology.


EDIT:

Here's the first link. I think it was this thread that first got me looking at the issue:

Support for Anti-Gun organization by Vortex, Kimber, Savage, Leupold, Weatherby, Federal...

Progressives are insidious in their tactics. If they (the companies) were unaware of what was going on, they can (and should) easily correct it. Backcountry Hunters and Angers based in Missoula, Montana is apparently a virulently anti-2nd Amendment group backed by numerous companies in the...

www.snipershide.com

One more:

Platinum Sponsors

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

This is Vortex's response:

More anti-gun donations and support. Savage, Kimber, Weatherby, Federal, Leupold, and More... - Page 5 - AR15.COM

Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear.

www.ar15.com

They are basically saying they have "conflicting priorities" and need to play both sides to stay in business.

 

[Naaman]

Of course I reserve skepticism with everything. But based on the information available and my own personal principles, I try to walk what I talk. The whole "you don't need 30 rounds to hunt deer" argument makes so much more sense when viewed through the lens of the above information.

Also, I won't condemn others who walk what they talk but have a different set of guiding principles/priorities than I do.

My point in the first place was that I stay away from Vortex because I would feel like a hypocrite if I gave them my money.

 

[Naaman]

The "above information" is just a bunch of social media/ forum posts.

True. I don't get the sense that this is something much worth your time, but I can elaborate more on PM if you want to shoot me a message.

The main thing is that they manufacture most of what they sell in China (that much is not disputed). So I won't buy from them. Supporting hostile ideology is a 2nd hurdle they would have to overcome for me to consider buying from them (but they won't).

 

[Bigjake83]

I'll try and dig it up. Give me a bit. It has a lot to do with the divide between "fudds" and "pro 2A" ideology.


EDIT:

Here's the first link. I think it was this thread that first got me looking at the issue:

Support for Anti-Gun organization by Vortex, Kimber, Savage, Leupold, Weatherby, Federal...

Progressives are insidious in their tactics. If they (the companies) were unaware of what was going on, they can (and should) easily correct it. Backcountry Hunters and Angers based in Missoula, Montana is apparently a virulently anti-2nd Amendment group backed by numerous companies in the...

www.snipershide.com

One more:

Platinum Sponsors

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

This is Vortex's response:

More anti-gun donations and support. Savage, Kimber, Weatherby, Federal, Leupold, and More... - Page 5 - AR15.COM

Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear.

www.ar15.com

They are basically saying they have "conflicting priorities" and need to play both sides to stay in business.

I don't give a shit about the connections with the FUDs as you put it, or the supposed anti-2A BS.. how the hell do you think vortex is using slave labor? Because they're cheaper lines come out of the Philippines? I mean do you really think Vortex us running some sort of sweatshop making Scopes and rolling lumpia at the same time!!

You have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

 

[Naaman]

I don't give a shit about the connections with the FUDs as you put it, or the supposed anti-2A BS.. how the hell do you think vortex is using slave labor? Because they're cheaper lines come out of the Philippines? I mean do you really think Vortex us running some sort of sweatshop making Scopes and rolling lumpia at the same time!!

You have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Whatever, man. There is a reason why it's cheaper to build stuff in China, then put it on a boat/plane, ship it over here, send it through Customs, then put in on a truck and deliver it to a warehouse to await distribution than it is to just make it here in the first place. The point is, I won't buy from a company whose business model relies on things being made in sweatshops. Unless you can demonstrate that their stuff isn't made in sweatshops, there's no point in having this conversation with me.

Tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, and then provide no information to show me reality? Not very productive.

If you have good info, link it here or in my PMs. I'd rather operate with the most complete set of info that I can get. I'm willing to be persuaded, but your post makes no attempt to do so.

 

[Bigjake83]

The point is, I won't buy from a company whose business model relies on things being made in sweatshops. Unless you can demonstrate that their stuff isn't made in sweatshops, there's no point in having this conversation with me.

Prove to us that they are being built in sweatshops under slave labor!!! You're the one stating that this is fact just because a company outsources some of their products overseas doesn't mean in anyway shape or form that they are being built on slave labor you ignorant fuck!

You have any idea how many parts Ford motor company outsources from factories in Mexico! Just because a company outsources parts of their production line in a foreign country because labor may be cheaper does not make it SLAVE LABOR or a sweatshop operation. You clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about just more liberal ideology spewed from the mouth ignorant asshole.

 

[jMarine]

Haven’t shot it yet but my 1-10 was delivered yesterday and so far passes the larping around the house test.

If this isn’t a true statement, I don’t know what is! Haha we all do it!

 

[ut755ln]

Whatever, man. There is a reason why it's cheaper to build stuff in China, then put it on a boat/plane, ship it over here, send it through Customs, then put in on a truck and deliver it to a warehouse to await distribution than it is to just make it here in the first place. The point is, I won't buy from a company whose business model relies on things being made in sweatshops. Unless you can demonstrate that their stuff isn't made in sweatshops, there's no point in having this conversation with me.

I run an OSV company that works primarily in the North Sea and West Africa. The last two times we built ships, we built in India and we built in Malaysia/Singapore. We did it because there is a significant cost differential between constructing a ship in the US or Western Europe. I bring this up because after working in West Africa for almost 20 years now, the standard of living has improved dramatically all over the continent. Same thing in Asia and really almost any place else in the world. More developed companies inject capital into less developed countries because of cheaper labor (primarily). The capital injection improves the quality of life of the people in the less developed country. Infrastructure, education, municipal services, all improve and as they do even more capital pours in.

 

[Naaman]

Prove to us that they are being built in sweatshops under slave labor!!! You're the one stating that this is fact just because a company outsources some of their products overseas doesn't mean in anyway shape or form that they are being built on slave labor you ignorant fuck!

You have any idea how many parts Ford motor company outsources from factories in Mexico! Just because a company outsources parts of their production line in a foreign country because labor may be cheaper does not make it SLAVE LABOR or a sweatshop operation. You clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about just more liberal ideology spewed from the mouth ignorant asshole.

I run an OSV company that works primarily in the North Sea and West Africa. The last two times we built ships, we built in India and we built in Malaysia/Singapore. We did it because there is a significant cost differential between constructing a ship in the US or Western Europe. I bring this up because after working in West Africa for almost 20 years now, the standard of living has improved dramatically all over the continent. Same thing in Asia and really almost any place else in the world. More developed companies inject capital into less developed countries because of cheaper labor (primarily). The capital injection improves the quality of life of the people in the less developed country. Infrastructure, education, municipal services, all improve and as they do even more capital pours in.

Here is my understanding as of the moment. If I am misunderstanding then please show me where to find true information:

My issue is with CHINA specifically (not outsourced labor in general).

The Chinese economy is run by the Chinese communist party. To put it in simple terms, if you are working in China, you work FOR the Chinese government (because its communist).

China's economy is based on manufacturing. Not only does China make stuff for companies all over the world, but by sending specs to any Chinese manufacturer, you're giving the CCP access to all your R&D.

China likes to take others' R&D and copy/reverse engineer it and make a profit selling similar things for cheaper (or use it for their military or whatever). That is somewhat off topic, but still informs my position.

It is common knowledge that China runs sweatshops for their manufacturing operations. It seems that you two are implying that "just because something is made in China doesn't mean it was made in a sweat shop."

The only way I can think of to demonstrate that products are not made by slaves* would be to go in under cover and find out for myself. Its not like they would just let anybody in who wants to inspect the working conditions. And if they did, they would clean everything up and make everyone smile for the camera.

*It also matters how you define "slave." For example, is anyone really free in a communist country?

I only said any of this because others asked. My bottom line is this: I don't want to fund communism. So I won't buy a Vortex. If that makes me a "liberal ignorant asshole" then so be it.

 

[Milf Dots]

Here is my understanding as of the moment. If I am misunderstanding then please show me where to find true information:

My issue is with CHINA specifically (not outsourced labor in general).

The Chinese economy is run by the Chinese communist party. To put it in simple terms, if you are working in China, you work FOR the Chinese government (because its communist).

China's economy is based on manufacturing. Not only does China make stuff for companies all over the world, but by sending specs to any Chinese manufacturer, you're giving the CCP access to all your R&D.

China likes to take others' R&D and copy/reverse engineer it and make a profit selling similar things for cheaper (or use it for their military or whatever). That is somewhat off topic, but still informs my position.

It is common knowledge that China runs sweatshops for their manufacturing operations. It seems that you two are implying that "just because something is made in China doesn't mean it was made in a sweat shop."

The only way I can think of to demonstrate that products are not made by slaves* would be to go in under cover and find out for myself. Its not like they would just let anybody in who wants to inspect the working conditions. And if they did, they would clean everything up and make everyone smile for the camera.

*It also matters how you define "slave." For example, is anyone really free in a communist country?

I only said any of this because others asked. My bottom line is this: I don't want to fund communism. So I won't buy a Vortex. If that makes me a "liberal ignorant asshole" then so be it.

Nailed it.

 

[Milf Dots]

The CCP's use of slave labor is just one of many reasons why I won't buy Chicom shooting related products. The CCP already controls the consumer electronics and internet devices industries- and that's a great reason to not let them take over our shooting optics and accessories manufacturing. That smart phone one carries is a perfect reason to NOT buy Chicom shooting products.