Suppressors Dead Air Sandman vs TBAC Dominus vs Surefire SOCOM

[treillw]

Where did the suppressor forum go?

Anywho, starting my research into an AR can. I'd like to use it for a 5.56 and 300 BLK. I've heard good things about all three cans, but haven't done much of a nitpicky comparison at this point. Noveske suggests the Dead Air, John Lovell the SOCOM, and I'm interested in the Dominus.

I currently have a TBAC Ultra 5 & 9, FWIW.

I really would like the Dominus-CB to replace my 5" Ultra and use it on bolt guns and for hunting in addition to AR stuff. I don't know how the CB attachment will work though will a lot of semi auto fire and running around. Any feedback on this? Anyway to convert from CB to full lock up system?

Any one of these cans stand out from the rest, or is it Ford vs Chevy?

Most important criteria to me are reduced/no muzzle flash, noise reduction, and weight.

Any advice is appreciated! Thanks!

 

[sneakypayload]

I have 2 deadair cans, the sandman L and the S. I will tell you I wish I would have gotten the S and just the K, since the L is a heavy Fucker. I like the mounting system for ARs, and I plan on converting my L with a area 419 adapter for my precision rifles.

I’ve yet to have one back off of the mount, and the S has been on my AR as a dedicated can for that gun for a while now, with about 1k rounds down the pipe.

If you plan on using it mainly on a 5.56 gun, grab the 5.56 end cap. If not, keep the 30. Fair warning, even on the end of a “lightweight” ar build with a 14.5 P/W, the S is a heavy mofo.

My next purchase is, funny enough, probably going to be a TBAC.

 

[treillw]

I have 2 deadair cans, the sandman L and the S. I will tell you I wish I would have gotten the S and just the K, since the L is a heavy Fucker. I like the mounting system for ARs, and I plan on converting my L with a area 419 adapter for my precision rifles.

I’ve yet to have one back off of the mount, and the S has been on my AR as a dedicated can for that gun for a while now, with about 1k rounds down the pipe.

If you plan on using it mainly on a 5.56 gun, grab the 5.56 end cap. If not, keep the 30. Fair warning, even on the end of a “lightweight” ar build with a 14.5 P/W, the S is a heavy mofo.

My next purchase is, funny enough, probably going to be a TBAC.

Which TBAC and for what application?

Thanks!

 

[FuhQ]

Look into the Dead Air Sandman-S and the Nomad-30.

I would stay away from titanium cans since you want to run & gun, and keep the Ti cans for bolt-actions and precision rifles... Just my opinion.

 

[sneakypayload]

Which TBAC and for what application?

Thanks!

An Ultra 7 gen2 for PRS.

 

[treillw]

Seems like the Sandman is pretty flashy compared to the SOCOM. Can anyone elaborate on this?

 

[FuhQ]

Seems like the Sandman is pretty flashy compared to the SOCOM. Can anyone elaborate on this?

Not terribly... My Sandman-S is only really flashy on 5.56 from my experience. For some reason, it's not very flashy on my .260 Rem, despite having more powder than the 5.56, but I guess the 22" barrel could help with that vs. the 14.5" and 16" barreled 5.56's that I shoot it on. And it's got no flash on subsonic ammo at all.

One thing the Sandman-S has going over the SOCOM is that PEW Science rated it like 3rd on the back pressure scale, so that's pretty damn good. And I've noticed the same with mine...Very low BP and low gas for a 6.8" long 1.5" OD can. Plus, the welded Stellite baffles and stainless tube give it a really nice deep tone.

Sandman-S is a great can...I think everyone with AR's should have one in their lineup. But, If you don't plan on doing any full-auto firing schedules, and anything 5.56 under 10.5", then I'd probably go with the regular Nomad-30, and just run a KeyMo on it with the KeyMount muzzle brakes to help mitigate blast baffle erosion. That will be about the best/quietest setup you can run while keeping it fairly short.

 

[Huskydriver]

Out of those options it wonuld be a dead air nomad honestly.

Dominus would be next

 

[Clayman]

Nomad 30

 

[E. Bryant]

Seems like the Sandman is pretty flashy compared to the SOCOM. Can anyone elaborate on this?

High flow rate (AKA "low backpressure") will lead to increased muzzle flash if there is still substantial unburned powder in the muzzle gas jet - typical for SBRs, far less of a concern for normal rifle barrel lengths.

High flow rate can also cause a sound signature that some may describe as "boomy" or "deep" depending upon the weapon and the response of the user's or bystander's ears.

 

[treillw]

Glad

High flow rate (AKA "low backpressure") will lead to increased muzzle flash if there is still substantial unburned powder in the muzzle gas jet - typical for SBRs, far less of a concern for normal rifle barrel lengths.

High flow rate can also cause a sound signature that some may describe as "boomy" or "deep" depending upon the weapon and the response of the user's or bystander's ears.

Flash probably isn't far from the top of negative list for tactical applications.

 

[treillw]

Saw that the yhm turbo is silencer shops number one selling can.

How is it compared to the others listed?

 

[Stoogey]

I have use both Sandman-S and SureFire RC2 5.56 on 11.5" 5.56 ARs.
The Sandman probably has the better mount, but it's longer and heavier. Sound performance to my ears is very similar on both. The Sandman has a lower, more bassy tone than the Surefire. Gas blowback is very similar on both, not too bad, although I have adjustable gas on my rifles.
I haven't had any issues with the Surefire getting locked up, I did get my Sandman stuck once but it was probably my fault.
They're both nice cans. I use the Surefire on my 11.5 now exclusively as my collection has opened up and I can dedicate cans to hosts. The Sandman is definitely more versatile overall and probably the better pick if you don't own many/any other cans.

 

[Long Range 338]

Dead Air Nomad for the ARs and Nomad Ti for the precision stuff. Very good sound, weight, and versatile for use across different calibers and with great mounting options.

 

[treillw]

I have use both Sandman-S and SureFire RC2 5.56 on 11.5" 5.56 ARs.
The Sandman probably has the better mount, but it's longer and heavier. Sound performance to my ears is very similar on both. The Sandman has a lower, more bassy tone than the Surefire. Gas blowback is very similar on both, not too bad, although I have adjustable gas on my rifles.
I haven't had any issues with the Surefire getting locked up, I did get my Sandman stuck once but it was probably my fault.
They're both nice cans. I use the Surefire on my 11.5 now exclusively as my collection has opened up and I can dedicate cans to hosts. The Sandman is definitely more versatile overall and probably the better pick if you don't own many/any other cans.

Great to hear from somebody that owns both! Any insight on the flash at night from both cans?

Thanks!

 

[Simonsza1]

So is the socom not the choice for most? I’m also interested in this type of can. Dedicated 5.56 and was looking at the socom rc2

 

[treillw]

So is the socom not the choice for most? I’m also interested in this type of can. Dedicated 5.56 and was looking at the socom rc2

From what I've seen it's the most popular with people who have been in the military. It's not as quiet as some, but seems to have other advantages, which are more important for tactical use. That's my impression at least.

 

[FuhQ]

From what I've seen it's the most popular with people who have been in the military. It's not as quiet as some, but seems to have other advantages, which are more important for tactical use. That's my impression at least.

The Sandman-S won a DEVGRU (Seal Team 6) contract and is currently being used by them. And @SilencerShop is selling some of the contract overrun cans. They are FDE finish. I have one... It has a SMS-MIL-XXXX serial number, too. Pretty cool conversation piece. It's the same Sandman-S as the original, just FDE finish and has a MIL serial number.

Sandman- S FDE Military Contract - Silencer Shop

The Dead Air Sandman-S FDE has all of your iconic Sandman-S features in a new color – flat dark earth. This rifle suppressor weighs 17.7 ounces and a 6.8-inch length, providing a compact, maneuverable addition to your rifle host.

www.silencershop.com

 

[treillw]

The Sandman-S won a DEVGRU (Seal Team 6) contract and is currently being used by them. And @SilencerShop is selling some of the contract overrun cans. They are FDE finish. I have one... It has a SMS-MIL-XXXX serial number, too. Pretty cool conversation piece. It's the same Sandman-S as the original, just FDE finish and has a MIL serial number.

Sandman- S FDE Military Contract - Silencer Shop

The Dead Air Sandman-S FDE has all of your iconic Sandman-S features in a new color – flat dark earth. This rifle suppressor weighs 17.7 ounces and a 6.8-inch length, providing a compact, maneuverable addition to your rifle host.

www.silencershop.com

That's cool. I didn't know military used them.

They must be better at concealing flash than I thought and was able to find online.

A lot of people seem to prefer the nomad over the sandman - sandman might be better for full auto, but I don't have to worry about that, so the nomad might be better for me.

 

[FuhQ]

That's cool. I didn't know military used them.

They must be better at concealing flash than I thought and was able to find online.

A lot of people seem to prefer the nomad over the sandman - sandman might be better for full auto, but I don't have to worry about that, so the nomad might be better for me.

Yep, if it's good enough for ST6, then it's definitely good enough for the average LARPer.

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The Nomad-30 is going to be a quieter and more efficient suppressor due to the different baffle design, and the larger OD with no tube. But the Sandman-S is definitely going to be the tougher of the 2 hands-down...It's designed for extreme abuse.

I'll probably add a Nomad-30 to my collection next year, or if I get some more money this year from working a lot of OT, or selling one of my trucks or something? That will be suppressor #8 in the lineup... Fair warning...It gets addicting! You'll start buying cans like you used to buy guns.

 

[Elnino31]

The Sandman-S won a DEVGRU (Seal Team 6) contract and is currently being used by them. And @SilencerShop is selling some of the contract overrun cans. They are FDE finish. I have one... It has a SMS-MIL-XXXX serial number, too. Pretty cool conversation piece. It's the same Sandman-S as the original, just FDE finish and has a MIL serial number.

Sandman- S FDE Military Contract - Silencer Shop

The Dead Air Sandman-S FDE has all of your iconic Sandman-S features in a new color – flat dark earth. This rifle suppressor weighs 17.7 ounces and a 6.8-inch length, providing a compact, maneuverable addition to your rifle host.

www.silencershop.com

Was not aware of this … and now I regret finding the thread. Haha. That’s a cool version of the can.

I have the TBAC ultra 9 and love how quiet it is, but have been wanting a 30 cal can that locks up with low back pressure for a 308 gasser. That style can belongs on a bolt gun IMO. I always find myself checking the lock up on a gasser and make a conscious effort to watch my rate of fire. Plus I hate messing with the adjustable gas block.

The Socom 762 was at the top of my list because I have and like the 556rc2, but everything that I’ve read puts the Sandman S and Rugged Razor right up there from a performance standpoint. When you can find the Socom on sale, that makes it more competitive. There’s a big price difference when you’re talking SF at $1200 -$1250 for the can/mount as compared to $850 for other options that include a brake. Seems a bit excessive.

Like the OP, I think finding a balance between back pressure and flash matters. Was not aware that the Sandman S performed so well with back pressure. I thought that the Socom was the best in that regard?

 

[Elnino31]

Shit…. just looked at rebate deals out there.

And all I was trying to was pass time while I waited on coffee.

 

[FuhQ]

Shit…. just looked at rebate deals out there.

And all I was trying to was pass time while I waited on coffee.

They don't produce them all the time... They're fairly rare. SS only gets more in stock when the DA contract over-runs and the military doesn't need as many as they have produced under that contract. Get it while it's hot! Seriously though, you won't regret the SM-S. I have 2 SMS cans in my collection, both a regular (black) and one of the FDE MIL-Contract cans.

And with that $100 rebate, you can buy (get free) another DA KeyMount Muzzle Brake for another one of your rifles so you can swap it around.

 

[Simonsza1]

FML it never ends!!! I can never stop spending $ with this dam life style choice, hobby and my time spent on this website.

 

[treillw]

I'm ready to get one as well haha.

I'm thinking the nomad may be better as I'm generally very careful with my equipment and don't plan on pounding any nails in with it. Quieter, lighter. Probably the same technology as the sandman, just a little less of a full bombproof combat can is my guess. Still need to read more.

 

[FuhQ]

FML it never ends!!! I can never stop spending $ with this dam life style choice, hobby and my time spent on this website.

I know the feeling... I just bought cans #6 & 7 a couple weeks ago, I got one of the brand new alpha-run production Otter Creek Labs Hydrogen-L and Hydrogen-S cans. And the Form-3 got approved and they're now on their way to the SOT... At least the cans are paid for. Now I have to figure out how to come up with $500 for 2 stamps and 2 Single-Shot Trusts. Luckily, I live 3 minutes from my SOT, and they have a range, and know me very well, so I'll be able to let them sit for a few until I can get the cash for the stamps. Then I get to try out these new eForms and see how fast they'll run through. Hopefully less than 90.

 

[FuhQ]

I'm ready to get one as well haha.

I'm thinking the nomad may be better as I'm generally very careful with my equipment and don't plan on pounding any nails in with it. Quieter, lighter. Probably the same technology as the sandman, just a little less of a full bombproof combat can is my guess. Still need to read more.

No, it's not the same technology at all. They are totally different designs and baffle types, and baffle counts.

The Sandman series are a solid-welded Stellite baffle stack that's pressed into a 1.5" diameter 17-4 stainless steel tube, and welded up on both ends with a welded-on KeyMo mount. It has conical baffles.

The Nomad series cans are 1.72" diameter tubeless design with different (more efficient) baffles, that has a lot more internal volume. It also has HUB 1.375x24 mount threads allowing you to use any HUB mount on the market from any manufacturer. While it is quieter, there will be noticeably more back pressure and gas in the face. They work fine on AR's, but they're really more suited on a bolt-action, honestly.

I have a Nomad-LT as well, and have compared it side-by-side to the Sandman-S cans. And while it is a lot quieter, I do get noticeably more gas in my face when shooting on my AR's. On a bolt-action, you won't beat the Nomad series.

 

[treillw]

No, it's not the same technology at all. They are totally different designs and baffle types, and baffle counts.

The Sandman series are a solid-welded Stellite baffle stack that's pressed into a 1.5" diameter 17-4 stainless steel tube, and welded up on both ends with a welded-on KeyMo mount. It has conical baffles.

The Nomad series cans are 1.72" diameter tubeless design with different (more efficient) baffles, that has a lot more internal volume. It also has HUB 1.375x24 mount threads allowing you to use any HUB mount on the market from any manufacturer. While it is quieter, there will be noticeably more back pressure and gas in the face. They work fine on AR's, but they're really more suited on a bolt-action, honestly.

I have a Nomad-LT as well, and have compared it side-by-side to the Sandman-S cans. And while it is a lot quieter, I do get noticeably more gas in my face when shooting on my AR's. On a bolt-action, you won't beat the Nomad series.

What's the difference between nomad 30 and LT, besides performance?

I have the precision rifle thing covered with my 30 cal thunderbeast cans. Maybe the sandman is best for me.

 

[Simonsza1]

I’m in the same boat, precision cans covered.

 

[Simonsza1]

I do have a dominus in jail but would like something else also for the 5.56

 

[Jnull]

What's the difference between nomad 30 and LT, besides performance?

I have the precision rifle thing covered with my 30 cal thunderbeast cans. Maybe the sandman is best for me.

Length and weight. L stands for the longer length and T is for titanium.

Check out the CGS Helios QD and QD Ti. Low back pressure and supposed to be one of the quietest cans out there for it’s size. Lots of mounting options plus solid and vented end caps.

 

[FuhQ]

What's the difference between nomad 30 and LT, besides performance?

I have the precision rifle thing covered with my 30 cal thunderbeast cans. Maybe the sandman is best for me.

Nomad-30 and Nomad-L are made from 100% 17-4ph stainless steel.

Nomad-Ti and Nomad-LT are made from 100% Grade-5 titanium.

The Nomad "L" (Long) and "LT" (Long Titanium) are just the full-length versions of the Nomad-30 and Nomad-Ti. Longer = More baffles, More volume, More length... Which added together = More suppression (quieter).

@TBACRAY has done testing, and on bolt-actions, the Nomad-LT is 2nd quietest suppressor they have ever tested. It's only beat by the new TBAC Magnus.

The brand new Otter Creek Labs Hydrogen-L is supposed to be right up there, too. I have both a Hydro-L and Hydro-S on the way to my SOT right now.

 

[Klay23]

They don't produce them all the time... They're fairly rare. SS only gets more in stock when the DA contract over-runs and the military doesn't need as many as they have produced under that contract. Get it while it's hot! Seriously though, you won't regret the SM-S. I have 2 SMS cans in my collection, both a regular (black) and one of the FDE MIL-Contract cans.

And with that $100 rebate, you can buy (get free) another DA KeyMount Muzzle Brake for another one of your rifles so you can swap it around.

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I have one of the fde versions in jail but hopefully out soon. Any difference other than color between the two? I didn’t think there were but curious if you’ve noticed anything.

 

[FuhQ]

I have one of the fde versions in jail but hopefully out soon. Any difference other than color between the two? I didn’t think there were but curious if you’ve noticed anything.

According to Mike Pappas (someone asked this on one of their IG stories), and he said they are 100% the same suppressor, just a different color and serial number.

 

[treillw]

Is the sandman s or the surefire socom quieter?

 

[FuhQ]

Is the sandman s or the surefire socom quieter?

That I don't know... I would lean more towards PEW Science for that answer.

But I can tell you this...The Sandman-S is a great sounding can...Very deep tone, even on 5.56.

Feel free to checkout some of my videos if you want to get a rough idea how the SMS sounds on multiple platforms and cartridges... If you have a set of good headphones, then that would be best to use when listening for accurate sound replication. Unless you have a really nice set of monitor speakers for gaming or music recording, computer speakers really suck for sound replication. If you don't have headphones or monitors, listening to it in your car will be MUCH better than regular computer/laptop speakers.

https://www.youtube.com/user/MudRunner2005/videos

 

[treillw]

That I don't know... I would lean more towards PEW Science for that answer.

But I can tell you this...The Sandman-S is a great sounding can...Very deep tone, even on 5.56.

Feel free to checkout some of my videos if you want to get a rough idea how the SMS sounds on multiple platforms and cartridges... If you have a set of good headphones, then that would be best to use when listening for accurate sound replication. Unless you have a really nice set of monitor speakers for gaming or music recording, computer speakers really suck for sound replication. If you don't have headphones or monitors, listening to it in your car will be MUCH better than regular computer/laptop speakers.

https://www.youtube.com/user/MudRunner2005/videos

So pew is a good place to read about this stuff? Any where else?

I'm just scrounging around forums

 

[FuhQ]

So pew is a good place to read about this stuff? Any where else?

I'm just scrounging around forums

I don't really follow Jay (PEW Science) closely, nor do I understand his number system... BUT, what I do understand is numerical order, and if something is rated 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th... That tells me where it compares in his tests, to the other cans I was looking at/interested in buying. And I do know the Sandman-S is ranked very high, and has been since its inception, as one of the best & most popular "S" size cans for a reason. You won't be disappointed in the performance...Especially compared to unsuppressed.

 

[Burdy]

I have 2 deadair cans, the sandman L and the S. I will tell you I wish I would have gotten the S and just the K, since the L is a heavy Fucker. I like the mounting system for ARs, and I plan on converting my L with a area 419 adapter for my precision rifles.

I’ve yet to have one back off of the mount, and the S has been on my AR as a dedicated can for that gun for a while now, with about 1k rounds down the pipe.

If you plan on using it mainly on a 5.56 gun, grab the 5.56 end cap. If not, keep the 30. Fair warning, even on the end of a “lightweight” ar build with a 14.5 P/W, the S is a heavy mofo.

My next purchase is, funny enough, probably going to be a TBAC.

You don't need the 5.56 end cap. All you need is the .30 cal flash hider end cap.

 

[treillw]

I don't really follow Jay (PEW Science) closely, nor do I understand his number system... BUT, what I do understand is numerical order, and if something is rated 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th... That tells me where it compares in his tests, to the other cans I was looking at/interested in buying. And I do know the Sandman-S is ranked very high, and has been since its inception, as one of the best & most popular "S" size cans for a reason. You won't be disappointed in the performance...Especially compared to unsuppressed.

I looked at his site for a little while - little hard to navigate, or maybe it's just my phone.

Is there a list of his top tactical suppressors anywhere? Not having luck finding the top 5.

 

[FuhQ]

I looked at his site for a little while - little hard to navigate, or maybe it's just my phone.

Is there a list of his top tactical suppressors anywhere? Not having luck finding the top 5.

Well, here's a few articles through a quick google...

PewPew Tactical ranks the top 6 .30 caliber suppressors (2021) and the Sandman-S was ranked #1.

4 Best Suppressors for .30 Caliber

Looking to suppress your .30 cal? We go through some of our favorite dedicated and multi-caliber cans that get the job done.

www.pewpewtactical.com

The Truth About Guns wrote this article in 2016... They ranked it 5 out of 5 stars in every category.

Silencer Review: Dead Air Sandman S - The Truth About Guns

The silencer, range time, and metering equipment for this review were provided by Capitol Armory based in Cedar Park, Texas Many years ago, in a land far away, the team at SilencerCo was like a large oak tree. Big, beautiful, and capable of nearly blotting out the sun with its size and scope...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

@SilencerShop Range Time Report for the Sandman-S with some numbers...




Sage Dynamics thinks pretty damn highly of it...

 

[FuhQ]

Just basing this off my own personal experience, and I can't tell you how to spend your own money, but I can tell you this... I don't think you'll regret going with the Sandman-S.

 

[Jonesky]

I have the S that bounces between 2 300 Blks. Love it. Like the smart guys say it’s not the lightest. But since it sees double duty due to the Qd mount system I live with the heft. And it’s sturdy enough to survive.

 

[treillw]

Just basing this off my own personal experience, and I can't tell you how to spend your own money, but I can tell you this... I don't think you'll regret going with the Sandman-S.

I wonder if it will be quiet enough for me. Anything quieter in the 5.56 variety?

 

[Elnino31]

I looked at his site for a little while - little hard to navigate, or maybe it's just my phone.

Is there a list of his top tactical suppressors anywhere? Not having luck finding the top 5.

If you Google socom 762 pew science review, it will show a chart that has several suppressors stacked up against each other with the benchmark being relative to the Ultra 9.

Only has a Sandman L listed on the chart (not sure how much of a difference for the Sandman S ), but the socom seems to do well in suppression and extremely well at back pressure.

The free review of the sandman S doesn’t show the same chart.

Those charts are 20” 308 though.

The Silencershop videos of all the different can options will show their meter’d results with dB rating to also give you a better feel for sound. They typically also show 308, 300blk, and 5.56 metered results

In some ways it’s a leap of faith that you’ll be happy unless you know someone with the same can or you can demo first. But in all honesty the newest tech has performance so similar that I doubt you’d be disappointed with the sound suppression if you pick one that has been deemed to be a good performer. The stuff that’s hard to measure and is only important to certain ppl are going to be flash and blowback. If you don’t shoot it with NV I don’t think that the flash differences will that noticeable to the naked eye.

 

[Clayman]

I looked at his site for a little while - little hard to navigate, or maybe it's just my phone.

Is there a list of his top tactical suppressors anywhere? Not having luck finding the top 5.

He doesn't personally rank suppressors like that. He will not give you a recommendation or tell you what to buy.

He gives you data and from that data you are free to make your own choices.

The backpressure metric being talked about us this. Keep in mind this is currently an experimental metric and back pressure doesn't automatically mean more blow back.

This is NOT a linear scale. The Nomad Ti does not have 2x the back pressure of the Sandman-S. That's not how it works. Just use the zones.

Keep in mind, that metric is for 308. It does not translate/extrapolate linearly to other calibers. Back pressure drops pretty significantly if your suppressor is over bored for caliber (using a 30 cal can on 556).


As far as sound rankings here is the current up to date list for 308 sorted by suppression at the shooters ear. You can sort it any way you want or choose any caliber currently tested. The 308 library is far more extensive than others.

The Socom 762 isn't great on 300 blk.

Their 300blk can is though. It has much higher flow restriction though and you probably wouldn't like it on semi autos.

I think you will be very happy with a DeadAir Nomad for use on multiple calibers/hosts.


Also keep in mind, 308 suppression performance cannot be extrapolated linearly to performance on other calibers.

 

[FuhQ]

I wonder if it will be quiet enough for me. Anything quieter in the 5.56 variety?

I shoot mine without hearing protection...Even inside a 3-sided building at the range (I DO NOT recommend anyone else do this)...But I've had hearing damage since I was a teenager, and plenty before that from hunting without wearing protection...Especially hunting birds where you shoot hundreds of times a day. And I already have severe tinnitus at 35...So... Nothing I can do to reverse that.

 

[treillw]

I shoot mine without hearing protection...Even inside a 3-sided building at the range (I DO NOT recommend anyone else do this)...But I've had hearing damage since I was a teenager, and plenty before that from hunting without wearing protection...Especially hunting birds where you shoot hundreds of times a day. And I already have severe tinnitus at 35...So... Nothing I can do to reverse that.

ya know, you can make it worse.... haha

 

[FuhQ]

ya know, you can make it worse.... haha

Oh I'm aware... Just saving up for some nice bluetooth earplugs, and I'll start wearing them. For now, my Nomad-LT is hearing safe for me on all my rifles. Even inside the 3-sided range house it's quiet enough to not feel the need for muffs, even on my .260 Rem or .308 Win.

The Sandman-S is not (inside the building). With the Sandman-S cans, I only shoot a couple of supersonic shots through them for my videos. The rest of the time, I wear plugs or muffs with them, unless subsonic...Then it doesn't really matter. Most all high-quality modern cans (S-size or larger) are hearing safe with subs.

 

[treillw]

Well, here's a few articles through a quick google...

PewPew Tactical ranks the top 6 .30 caliber suppressors (2021) and the Sandman-S was ranked #1.

4 Best Suppressors for .30 Caliber

Looking to suppress your .30 cal? We go through some of our favorite dedicated and multi-caliber cans that get the job done.

www.pewpewtactical.com

The Truth About Guns wrote this article in 2016... They ranked it 5 out of 5 stars in every category.

Silencer Review: Dead Air Sandman S - The Truth About Guns

The silencer, range time, and metering equipment for this review were provided by Capitol Armory based in Cedar Park, Texas Many years ago, in a land far away, the team at SilencerCo was like a large oak tree. Big, beautiful, and capable of nearly blotting out the sun with its size and scope...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

@SilencerShop Range Time Report for the Sandman-S with some numbers...




Sage Dynamics thinks pretty damn highly of it...

HOLY CRAP!! The guy on the NFA review channel needs to work on his video volume control!! He's whispering at the beginning of the video and I had it turned up pretty darn good to hear him - I have a good set of computer speakers. The he goes to the range for "the fun part". Volume jumps by 500% and it's almost like you're standing right there on the range with him and he's doing a full auto mag dump!