Rifle Scopes Delete please

[Mballen11502]

Hey guys. I’m new here and I’m sure this is covered elsewhere but wanted some opinions. I’m sure there are benefits to each. I have no real experience using either system.

What are the pros/cons to each and what do you guys recommend to someone with no experience. I will say I primarily think of distance in yards so there’s that.

Let me know.

 

[Olen_4504]

it's covered all over the internet 100 times a day. one thread every week pops up and it all ends the same.

did you google it? there's articles, videos, etc that beats the issue to death.

not trying to be a dick.... but this thread is inevitably going to turn into a shit show

 

[308pirate]

it's covered all over the internet 100 times a day. one thread every week pops up and it all ends the same.

did you google it? there's articles, videos, etc that beats the issue to death.

not trying to be a dick.... but this thread is inevitably going to turn into a shit show

+1

OP Go do some basic research and educate yourself. BTW, it doesn't matter one fucking bit if you think of distances in yards, meters, fathoms, furlongs, rods, or any other measure. Either system works just fine.

 

[Mballen11502]

Yes I’ve googled it and read about it and watched videos. Based on that I’d say I prefer MRAD. Seems like there’s a lot more talk in moa though hence why I posted to get some opinions. And yes I’m new so I apologize if this creates a “shit show”

 

[PAYDIRT]

Go mils and when the light clicks on you will glad you did. It's insane easy, before I switched I was having an episode about it and was over thinking it way too much.

 

[Olen_4504]

on the internet - it might appear more people talk about MOA. that's where a lot of "new" shooters start (I did) and new shooters tend to spend a lot more time on the internet than the range (i'm over generalizing here).

i've never once seen a "switching from MIL to MOA thread"

but I've seen a million "switching from MOA to MIL threads"

so take that as you will. in the PRS arena, it's something like 90-95% MIL shooters.

i'm not sure which type of shooting you do/plan to do but if you get into competition i can almost guarantee you end up at MILs regardless. so might as well just start there.

 

[Mballen11502]

Thanks guys. That’s all I need to hear. A little confirmation of what I was already thinking.

 

[308pirate]

t if you get into competition i can almost guarantee you end up at MILs

You might want to clarify for the new guy that you're talking about PRS. That's the only firearms competition where mils predominate.

In all the others it either doesn't matter (3 gun/2gun) or MOA rules (highpower, F class, smallbore, benchrest).

 

[Olen_4504]

You might want to clarify for the new guy that you're talking about PRS. That's the only firearms competition where mils predominate.

In all the others it either doesn't matter (3 gun/2gun) or MOA rules (highpower, F class, smallbore, benchrest).

sorry, I meant for my previous statement about PRS to lead into that next sentence. but yes you are correct

 

[Deleted member 113831]

This subject has been a historical shit show on this site. If you need more info search any one of 8 or 10 threads already out there.

 

[Mballen11502]

Cool. Is there way the thread can be closed?

 

[308pirate]

OP, here's another little secret: neither one is any easier than the other. If you eliminate thinking in linear units from your mind, they both work equally well and equally as easy.

Pick one or the other based on the most likely expected use of the rifle in question.

I have rifles setup in both and can switch from one to the other at the drop of a hat without confusion or "conversions". It's like being truly bilingual when you no longer need to think in language A and then speak in language B. Your brain just "flows".

 

[Deleted member 113831]

Cool. Is there way the thread can be closed?

You can delete your own thread by deleting your original post.

 

[Diver160651]

You might want to clarify for the new guy that you're talking about PRS. That's the only firearms competition where mils predominate.

In all the others it either doesn't matter (3 gun/2gun) or MOA rules (highpower, F class, smallbore, benchrest).

Actually, PRS, NRL, Feild Matches, Sniper Matches, club matches -most long range precision shooting events in general.

@Mballen11502

The reason you see MOA communicated even by Mill guys is when talking about the “linear” measurement “at” the target or the gun’s general performance. The reason for this simple, most paper targets are scaled and square range guys have always talked in “linear” on target performance in inches.

There is a large difference from post shooting communication talking about the “linear” group size, like 5” groups at 1000, like I shot a 1/2MOA group (actually not really correct anyway) and the on gun use of a reticle. For the MOA example, it is important to know many guys don’t even have subtensions when communicating linear performance. It is either post shooting after they walk down and pic up their target the measure with calipers or a tape or with scales concentric rings printed in the targets.

 

[308pirate]

Actually, PRS, NRL, Feild Matches, Sniper Matches, club matches -most long range precision shooting events in general.

That all falls under "PRS" in common conversation. And they are still the minority of rifle competitions in this country, both in number of participants and in number of opportunities.

 

[Diver160651]

That all falls under "PRS" in common conversation. And they are still the minority of rifle competitions in this country, both in number of participants and in number of opportunities.

Not sure where you shoot, but that’s far from the case out west.

And 3gun (often with bcd reticles), benchrest and F-class (most often with only a duplex) is not what this site is about.

 

[308pirate]

Not sure we’re you shoot but that’s far from the case out west.

It's the reverse in most of the east. In my part of the country I could hit at least two highpower matches a month within a reasonable drive March through November year after year. In the same span of time there are less than half a dozen PRS club matches that are just as close.

 

[Diver160651]

It's the reverse in most of the east. In my part of the country I could hit at least two highpower matches a month within a reasonable drive March through November year after year. In the same span of time there are less than half a dozen PRS club matches that are just as close.

What kind of scope do you use in NRA highpower?

I’d love to see it, especially if it is over 4.5x and something relevant to what most people are asking about when considering a long range precision rifle scope.

Sorry Siri is kicking my ass again this morning

 

[308pirate]

What kind of scope do you use in NRA highpower?

I’d love to see it, especially if it is over 4.5x and something relevant to what most people are asking about when considering a long range precision rifle scope.

Sorry Siri is kicking my ass again this morning

Why are you changing the subject? You asked what was predominant in my part of the country and I told you.

I made a point for the new shooter to understand that PRS style shooting is the only sport where mils matter. That's a true statement whether you like it or not.

Also true that PRS style shooting is nowhere near the most popular rifle sport everywhere in the country, whether you like it or not.

 

[Mballen11502]

I don’t see a way to delete the thread. I see edit but not delete.

 

[Shadow knows]

Like it’s said earlier.
I have too noticed, beginners seem to go toward moa and then go mil but which ever works for you. If you want to shoot league go with their language.
I have a buddy who is a blacksmith who doesn’t shoot much but loves moa for the reason of fractions. I love base 10 sooooooooo mil. However I can run fractions but takes a bit longer to run the numbers when spotting for my buddy.

 

[Bender]

Mil. Now post pics of wife for penance.

 

[Diver160651]

Why are you changing the subject? You asked what was predominant in my part of the country and I told you.

I made a point for the new shooter to understand that PRS style shooting is the only sport where mils matter. That's a true statement whether you like it or not.

Also true that PRS style shooting is nowhere near the most popular rifle sport everywhere in the country, whether you like it or not.

So let’s see you’re saying none-rifle scoped sports like Highpower, Silhouette shooting and LP optics like 3gun, suddenly matter in a scope question thread posted on a long range precision rifle forum?

Also, I do NOT lump PRS into all mil dominated disciplines.. it is way under represented and a very specific formula. Benchrest, Silhouette shooting and many other square range sports are not growing nor relevant to this thread or really the forum.

 

[Shadow knows]

Bad girl for trigger control. I keep telling her but she just won’t listen. When she is done making my sandwich I will spank her. Lol

 

[Deleted member 113831]

I don’t see a way to delete the thread. I see edit but not delete.

They should be co-located.

I forgot to add.....MIL.

 

[308pirate]

So let’s see you’re saying none-rifle scoped sports like Highpower, Silhouette shooting and LP optics like 3gun, suddenly matter in a scope question thread posted on a long range precision rifle forum?

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about re optics in NRA rifle disciplines.

For the third time, my comment was directed at a NEW SHOOTER, who by definition may not know the breadth and depth of shooting sports. It was not directed at YOU who seems to have a huge fucking chip on his shoulder any time any one mentions that "precision" rifle shooting is not the only game in town.

 

[Diver160651]

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about re optics in NRA rifle disciplines.

For the third time, my comment was directed at a NEW SHOOTER, who by definition may not know the breadth and depth of shooting sports. It was not directed at YOU who seems to have a huge fucking chip on his shoulder any time any one mentions that "precision" rifle shooting is not the only game in town.

Certainly you must have misunderstood my post replying to your mention of all the Highpower matches you can attend.

I simply asked you to show the “optics” you use, because you used it as an example in your reply to a scope question.

Obviously I have no fucking understanding of nra highpower rule 3.1

Please enlighten me

 

[Diver160651]

They should be co-located.

I forgot to add.....MIL.

Sk/

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