Rifle Scopes Did I get a bad scope?

[scand1]

First off let me say I am not a distance shooter nor benchrest shooter...just a blue collar deer hunter that needs some optics advice.

Two days ago I purchased a brand new Redfield Revolution 3-9x40 w/ Accu-Range reticle. I have always used Tasco and never had a problem (go ahead and laugh), but this year I decided to buy a nicer scope because I read too much to be honest.

I got outside today to put bullet on paper and the first shot was super high...about 7-8 inches up the paper. So then I adjusted my turret down in the direction that is opposite of "UP->" obviously. I thought would bring the reticle down and my reticle actually went up. Same with right and left, left went right and right went left. I never had this problem with the old Tascos (laugh again). For instance if I shot high to the right, I clicked down and to the left and within 2 more shots I would be dead on. Are my turrets backward or what?? I finally got tired of fooling with it and left. Before I call Redfield I'd like to try again tomorrow. So what gives?

 

[Direct Assault]

Re: Did I get a bad scope?

I've always chased my point of impact with my point of aim. Shoothing .25 up and .50 left I move one moa up and two moa left (at 100 yards) i have never owned a redfield but maybe they did that on purpose? Im interensted in what they say. Try a bore sight so you can see the changes in real time.

 

[kyyotestalker]

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Your scope working as it should. The direction endicaters on the turret tell you which way your bullet impact will move, not which way the reticle will move!

 

[scand1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kyyotestalker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your scope working as it should. The direction endicaters on the turret tell you which way your bullet impact will move, not which way the reticle will move! </div></div>

So say tomorrow I go out and aim for dead center bullseye and my shot hits high and to the right...then what? Turn them "U->" and "R->"? instead of Down and left as one would think? Sorry but I'm confused here...

 

[roggom]

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If you adjusted your reticle down, then the bullet will go higher. Down on the turret is clockwise and makes the reticle move up. By the reticle moving up it causes you to lower it to get back to center. Confused yet, here Larry has an easy way of doing it.

To clear confusion, on that scope (which I have) clockwise will move your point of impact down, counter clockwise will move your point of impact up.

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Not my scope but the same

 

[Ol' RD]

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It depends on your turrets. Not knowing the revolution I can't say for sure but go look at the turret it should tell you.

 

[Ol' RD]

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Most chase the bullet

 

[buffybuster]

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Direction indicators on the knobs IS the direction you want the bullet to go. If you're original shot went 7" high at 100yds, then dial DOWN about 6.5moa and shot again. If you shot went right, dial LEFT (as that is the direction you want the bullet to go).

 

[ShtrRdy]

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Yeah, that sure sounds bass aackwards. One thing you might try, just to prove to yourself what's happening, is to aim at a target, take a shot, then stabilize the rifle and carefully move the crosshair from the original aiming point to the impact point. In other words, "walk" the crosshair over to where the bullet impacted.

 

[kyyotestalker]

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Lets say at 100 yards you are shooting 2" high and 2" right of your crosshair, you need to adjust your scope 8 clicks in the down direction and 8 clicks in the left direction. do not think of it as moving the reticle to the bullet but look at it like you are moving the bullet to the reticle.

 

[scand1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buffybuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Direction indicators on the knobs IS the direction you want the bullet to go. If you're original shot went 7" high at 100yds, then dial DOWN about 6.5moa and shot again. If you shot went right, dial LEFT (as that is the direction you want the bullet to go).</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kyyotestalker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lets say at 100 yards you are shooting 2" high and 2" right of your crosshair, you need to adjust your scope 8 clicks in the down direction and 8 clicks in the left direction. do not think of it as moving the reticle to the bullet but look at it like you are moving the bullet to the reticle.</div></div>

Which is what I did, and it kept putting them further in the direction I didn't want (exact opposite of what I turned on the turrets)

 

[scand1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you adjusted your reticle down, then the bullet will go higher. Down on the turret is clockwise and makes the reticle move up. By the reticle moving up it causes you to lower it to get back to center. Confused yet, here Larry has an easy way of doing it.

To clear confusion, on that scope (which I have) clockwise will move your point of impact down, counter clockwise will move your point of impact up.

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Thanks but I've sighted in several rifles and never had this issue. Granted they were Tasco and Barska, but I aimed dead center, if it hit high and right and clicked the turrets down and to the left as labeled on the turret, and bullseye no issue!

 

[kyyotestalker]

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If you are doing as we described and your scope is moving opposite then yes your adjustments are backwards. I looked up the owners manual for your scope and the direction marked on the turret represents the direction you want the bullet to move. to clarify if you are shooting high move your turret in the direction that is labled down which should move your bullet impact closer to your reticle.

 

[Temp9]

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Stop watching your reticle. Don't even look through the scope when adjusting the turrets. Fire a group, then move the turret 20 clicks down. Fire another group. The second group should be 5MOA lower than your first group.

It's more or less impossible to accidentally assemble a scope so the adjustments move backwards. It would involve cutting left hand threads and using left hand threaded parts except the turret markings.... You're just confusing yourself by watching the reticle movement.

 

[jimmykm21]

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Is your scope mounted side ways.

What I mean is are you sure it's not the windage on top.

Don't laugh I've seen people do it.

 

[BasraBoy]

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So...your first shot was 7-8" high.

Keeping the rifle aimed at the original point of aim (clamped if necessary), move the reticle until it is centred over the first shots POI (that'll be CCW around 28-32 clicks on that scope).

Re-set the turret to make that the 0 point.

Follow the same steps for windage - no reason not to do this at the same time as adjusting elevation.

Fire another round at the centre of your target to verify POA is now POI at your given zero

It should be as easy as that........provided you didn't move the rifle from the original point of aim whilst making the adjustments

 

[58blackflag]

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Turning the elevation adjustment DOWN makes the reticle go up but bullet impact go down. To do this the reticle VISUALLY goes up. That makes sense if you think about it. If your shots are higher than you want them to be you Turn the adjustment knob DOWN, the reticle moves up towards the point of impact until point of impact and point of aim are the same.
Like others said, don't watch the reticle. If your shots are high, adjustment down. 4 clicks per inch at 100. Yards is standard. If you're 7 inches high, come down 28 clicks.

 

[scand1]

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UPDATE. I did in fact get a bad scope. Took it out, checked mounts and rings then boresighted it again. Tried again today and adjusted my reticles...did get them going in the right direction but on my third shot of a three shot group it hit 6 inches to the right of the other two. Of course the typical range rednecks said "you're flinching"...so I let someone else shoot it and he got the same results...2 fairly close and the third being about 8 inches below...no way a flinch would cause this margin of error at a mere 50 yards, on top of the fact I have always hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag or 300WSM...the 30-06 is tame compared to these two. I hit one dead center after appropriate adjustments and didn't mess with the turrets again, I then fired 5 more shots and they were anywhere from 4"-9" right and up and down. I'll be calling Redfield tomorrow morning. I'm highly pissed off as I went throught 2 boxes of ammo ($60) and two range sessions ($30) so I'm up to $90 wasted

 

[roggom]

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Thats sux, did you try to put your old scope back on to compare? Could be you got a bad scope, but I have that same Redfield and pretty much beat the crap out of it on hunts and in the back of my Jeep, picked up my rifle by the scope and all that. Never had an issue. The good thing is Leupold makes the Revolution in Oregon. They should hook you right up. The Revolution has the same Warranty as all the Leupold scopes.

 

[scand1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats sux, did you try to put your old scope back on to compare? Could be you got a bad scope, but I have that same Redfield and pretty much beat the crap out of it on hunts and in the back of my Jeep, picked up my rifle by the scope and all that. Never had an issue. The good thing is Leupold makes the Revolution in Oregon. They should hook you right up. The Revolution has the same Warranty as all the Leupold scopes. </div></div>
I doubt they'll reimburse me for my ammo costs, but I will ask. I have a 30+ year old Redfield Wideview on my .338 Win Mag, and it has never lost zero. Personally I never got all the Leupold hype...I can't see the diff between it and others. I do like Zeiss and Nikon though