Discussion on justified Shooting

[tomcatfan]

So this really isn't any news, but in 2010 an off duty Maryland State Trooper attempted to make a traffic stop on a motorcyclist who was speeding. The video linked below shows that incounter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHjjF55M8JQ

The speeding motorcyclist then was arrested and charged with 6 felonies regarding the wiretapping laws in Maryland for posting the video. The case was eventually thrown out. But my question comes into play with the use of firearms in this situation. First off, Maryland is a commy state and does not issue CCW permits. However, if this were to happen in our neighboring state Virginia where the fire arm laws are much more relaxed, what would have happened if there was a shoot out.

In watching this video, there is a lot of room to debate about the cop pulling out his weapon and not identifying himself immediately rather than saying "get off the bike". A question I have is, if a shoot out would have ensued, do you think the motorcyclist would have been justified? The cop does take a couple of seconds to identify himself as a cop. And from the time he opens his door and draws his gun, until he identifies himself as a cop, this looks like an ambush car jacking with a gun. If the motorcyclist would have been carrying, that really seems like it could have escallated into a fire fight type of situation.

What do you think?

 

[Slapchop]

Re: Discussion on justified Shooting

I think that this topic was beaten to death back in 2010 when the video first came to light.

The search function is your friend.

 

[tomcatfan]

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Believe it or not, the search function doesn't work that well. Since the discussion is over a year old, searching is a waste of time. It revealed nothing. Point taken though.

 

[Slapchop]

Re: Discussion on justified Shooting

The search function at the top of your screen is pretty crappy. Instead try THIS. Its a Google search engine for Snipers Hide. Works very well.

Here is a link to the original disscussion.

 

[tomcatfan]

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Thank you sir.

 

[LARMIKE]

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Remember a few years ago when a SWAT team burst thru the door of the wrong house? The homeowner shot and killed an officer. The Police were at the wrong address. The home owner went to jail for murder. You tell me what would happen in this situation. these days some bad cops could do what ever they want and get away with it. Sucks but its true.

 

[SniperCJ]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LARMIKE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remember a few years ago when a SWAT team burst thru the door of the wrong house? The homeowner shot and killed an officer. The Police were at the wrong address. The home owner went to jail for murder. You tell me what would happen in this situation. these days some bad cops could do what ever they want and get away with it. Sucks but its true. </div></div>

What exactly makes the SWAT officer at the wrong house a 'bad cop'??

The justice system may have failed the homeowner, but that 'bad' cop' label is inappropriate.

 

[LARMIKE]

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Never said HE was a bad cop. But they are out there. Just like in every profession.

 

[Queequeg]

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Definitely a nightmare.

4 years ago, the city of Tampa changed the address my home had since 1946. The reason was due to the property next door (South) being purchased and legally subdivided, necessitating the change of all the addresses (According to the assholes at the city...) up to the next northern city block.

In the meantime, the people next door to the north walked away from their home and left it vacant until the foreclosure process concluded and it was sold to an absentee landlord who has made it a rental property with as many as 10 -12 people living in it.

While there have now been two different crews of shit bags that have come and gone there in the last 1.5 years of its current boarding house (Vacant at the moment) era, virtually all of those I have seen coming and going from there have been moderate to complete shitwads.

As I still receive mail intended for people who live two doors down (Who used to have my address) and my mail often goes undelivered for weeks if I receive it all! I mean how would I know?

While the assholes at the City of Tampa condescendingly did this with out any warning, changing our addresses and notifying all the local utilities, I still get incorrectly addressed water, electric, cable, phone, etc., bills and other mail.

In the mean time, a little over 5 months ago, my wife called me in a huff because she found that one of the scumbags next door was identified in the FDLE offender data base (Accessible by entering one's zip code) as a sexual predator! No mistaking that ugly, rotted tooth face and moron tattoos.

So yes, it is a real concern here that TPD may one day do a forcible entry into my home looking for a scumbag who lives next door.

As the landlord doesn't care a bit about who he rents to, it is highly probable that among the next crew of boarders and sub lessee's will reside a criminal, fugitive, offender or other target of police interest.

Naturally, I'm worried about the more likely probability that one of any number of criminal scum may force their way into my home. I want to believe I will respond in a way that protects my family.

I further hope it is also not a law enforcement officer at my door, who mistakenly follows the guidance of the incompetent, un-fire-able, arrogant, pedagogues who refused to entertain any of our protests as to how it was more than merely impractical or inconvenient to have our addresses changed, should the need for a no knock entry be deemed essential in arresting someone who actually is living next door.

I very much hope the Police are exhaustive in their due diligence.

 

[KYpatriot]

Re: Discussion on justified Shooting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SniperCJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LARMIKE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remember a few years ago when a SWAT team burst thru the door of the wrong house? The homeowner shot and killed an officer. The Police were at the wrong address. The home owner went to jail for murder. You tell me what would happen in this situation. these days some bad cops could do what ever they want and get away with it. Sucks but its true. </div></div>

What exactly makes the SWAT officer at the wrong house a 'bad cop'??

The justice system may have failed the homeowner, but that 'bad' cop' label is inappropriate.</div></div>

Uh, yeah, a SWAT officer at the wrong house is definitely a bad cop. You don't get to play the "oh sorry, boss gave me the wrong address" when you are kicking in the doors of private citizens. He isn't delivering pizza. Applying force comes with PERSONAL responsibility.

A couple times in Iraq I had soldiers ask for a bomb that definitely would have killed them if I didnt make sure BEFORE applying force that the plan was sound. Thats what responsible officers do, it is part of the job. Irresponsible officers get the wrong people killed and then claim qualified immunity.

 

[17874]

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If the rider believed his life was in danger then he is justified. When the off duty cop sees the rider is pulling out a gun and feels his life is in danger, he is justified as well. All around a bad situation. I will never pull my weapon off duty, unless it is life or death, especially if my family is around. One rarely has all the facts when they decide to pull the trigger.