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Do the armed protestors in Michigan help, or hurt the cause?

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Sean Hannity, among others, has been telling us that these armed protestors create harm to their cause('cause' being government overreach) ; that it was dangerous and put the police in a difficult position. My take was that the folks are completely fed up, and this sends a message to the powers-that-be. Have a feeling that would be the prevailing opinion on here, but would like to hear your take on it.
 
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I think you need to define what "cause" honestly. Is it to end the lock down? Complain of .gov over reach? Gun rights? Rights of assembly?

I find it interesting that the narrative instantly went to racism and anti-LE...I'm sure they aren't that blind to who the demonstrators were trying to demonstrate against.
 
It was a message sent to the "powers that be" and to the police. The only difficult position for the police is are they going to claim "just doing my job" or uphold the Constitution.
The government just did the very same thing last week with their show of power in Guam. Much bigger things at stake with international muscle flexing.

3-2-1. Get ready for the..... those guys were a bunch of wannabe Rambo type. Go concealed and demonstrate.... Because that's gotten the point across sooo well.
 
I think you need to define what "cause" honestly. Is it to end the lock down? Complain of .gov over reach? Gun rights? Rights of assembly?

I find it interesting that the narrative instantly went to racism and anti-LE...I'm sure they aren't that blind to who the demonstrators were trying to demonstrate against.
They, the gov, control the narrative along with their propaganda networks. These things need to be more organized and put someone in front with the narrative to counter the bullshit spew of the tyrants.
 
I think putting the LE in a difficult position is exactly what needs to happen. They need to think about the rights of the people, and protests can open their eyes up to whats really right. Because of the protesters, the "Just following orders" isn't quite as simple anymore.
We have seen some key LE saying things like "this isn't Nazi Germany". I just hope that attitude is the one that every small town Barney Fife, all the way up to the federal level, has by the time this is all over.
 
It was a message sent to the "powers that be" and to the police. The only difficult position for the police is are they going to claim "just doing my job" or uphold the Constitution.
The government just did the very same thing last week with their show of power in Guam. Much bigger things at stake with international muscle flexing.

3-2-1. Get ready for the..... those guys were a bunch of wannabe Rambo type. Go concealed and demonstrate.... Because that's gotten the point across sooo well.


Good point equating National saber rattling with Domestic saber rattling.

The govt is using force on sovereign individuals.

They need to realize there is the potential for a return in kind.

The key is that the use of force domestically must be initiated by those seeking to impede on the freedom of the people.

When the colonists gathered at Lexington they never intended to use their force, it was a display of force.

Who fired the first shot did not matter as even after it was fired there was not sufficient damage to start the Revolution at that point. It did motivate more Minutemen to leave their homes and prepare to meet the British at Concord. Farmers in some cases ran distances close to twenty miles to make it into action at some point during the day.

Two things galvanized the combatants and created the divide that meant what was in reality Civil War.

Both of those events were misunderstandings.

The colonists saw the smoke of the British burning captured military equipment in Concord center and thought the British were putting the town to light - that gave them the resolve to fight.

The British suffered two mortally wounded at the Bridge when the Colonists decided to confront them. After the short skirmish the British main force retreated to Concord and the Minutemen more or less dispersed. A platoon of British that had been across the Bridge returned from their scout to an unoccupied scene of skirmish. Unoccupied except for their two dead soldiers. One of the soldiers was mutilated. After the skirmish a young boy came upon the two Brits and he beat the skull in of one that was still alive. The returning soldiers thought the Minutemen had scalped him and they returned to tell the main body that the Colonists were taking scalps.

From that moment on it was a war. The Colonists fighting against an enemy that would burn the homes of non combatants and the British fighting against people they thought would scalp their dead. Later in the day there was no sense that the actions of either side were a "show of force". They shot, bayoneted, and bludgeoned each other with enthusiasm and as two separate people, no longer countrymen.

The "uncommitted" on both sides chose to support based on what they saw as the aggression of the other side.

Fence sitters here will not be willing to support a cause unless it is demonstrated to them that the other side is a legitimate threat.

Whichever side shows violence first will repel the fence sitters.

Perhaps it was good those people in Texas were disarmed by the Sheriff in his MRAP.

It showed that when confronted with force they stood down, choosing not to escalate. They made a show of force yet a desire not to use it.

Whats going to happen to bring the Boog will be an error.

Had that MRAP showed up and immediately gunned down the display of force Joe fence sitter will decide which side he is on.

These things require a martyr for the population to rally around.
 
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I have had some pretty intense conversations with some of my old department guys. The State police will follow orders in almost every case. they are not what you think, they are going to protect their pay checks. The county and local authorities have to answer to the public somewhat but most of the younger guys are authoritarian and will not hesitate to show that.

An interesting time is approaching and some Sheriffs along with local police are going to need to make that decision as to their position. Your state police will most likely be the main issue since they are beholding to the Governor.
 
So, which side do you choose? Loyalists or Patriots?


The govt works for the People and its power is limited to those things specified in the Constitution.

I honor the Constitution.

Our Republic specifies the manner to change the Constitution.

If a segment decides that they want things in this Country to be different there are lawful, peaceful ways to bring that change.

If a segment of the population decides those measures are too burdensome and determines "change by decree" or force is the way to get what they want it demonstrates my life and liberty is worth nothing to them.......is it worth something to me, to you?

Didnt the Twentieth Century teach us anything about Governments that dismiss the value of the individual?

If you know that history there is little choice.
 
They, the gov, control the narrative along with their propaganda networks. These things need to be more organized and put someone in front with the narrative to counter the bullshit spew of the tyrants.
This it doesn't matter what people involved with the protest do the media will always spin it to help state and makes us look bad.
 
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I have had some pretty intense conversations with some of my old department guys. The State police will follow orders in almost every case. they are not what you think, they are going to protect their pay checks. The county and local authorities have to answer to the public somewhat but most of the younger guys are authoritarian and will not hesitate to show that.

An interesting time is approaching and some Sheriffs along with local police are going to need to make that decision as to their position. Your state police will most likely be the main issue since they are beholding to the Governor.


Thats interesting.

I talked to a State Trooper once in my State and it brought joy to my soul that the obligation was to the Constitution.

My local range was shut down recently by the town police chief per order of the town Board of Health. It caused a lot of angst on firearms chat boards regards police use of ranges going forward.

Just this week the range was reopened under measures that mitigated any BOH concerns. The complex has multiple ranges and now there is an online signup sheet for members to sign up and reserve a range for up to two hours, one shooter per range.

Im sure the BOH is against even that but the CoP correctly observed that mitigation rules are in place to defeat any health threat and he can not prevent the excercise of an individuals rights unless the BoH can exhibit how the threat to the public still exists.

In speaking with the club President the CoP expressed his respect for 2A and made the point that armed citizenry was a right and proper thing if we are to live free. Im sure his decision to let the club open even under these tough measures is against the wishes of the board of health but that Chief is doing the right thing for now.

Any country without a "militia" of the People lacks freedom.

Now for cops when it comes to decision time consider this.

When that decision is made they will lose their careers and source of income, their families will likely suffer, their financial situation will tank. Im guessing they will be immediately Red Flagged if the state has those statutes, all their guns will be confiscated and any licensing/permits will be revoked.

I think its being over looked how Red Flag laws might play against anyone committing a "Display of Force" at these rallys and the police should consider their activity if ordered to confiscate firearms of someone that was exercising their First Amendment and Second Amendment rights.

Anyway, assuming the Constitution as we know it still exists the only right thing for a sworn police officer to do is to resign or refuse the unlawful order.

The leaders of our Revolution had much bigger financial interests to lose, families and they knew that their support of the Revolution was a death sentence, yet still they did the right thing.

I hope you guys are keeping a spare rifle, enough ammo, and some food to support those police officers that do the right thing.
 
The big question is; Are we limited to exercising our God-given rights one at a time or simultaneously? Are we to be restricted to exercising our 1st amendment rights as long as we don’t exercise the 2nd at the same time?

Answer: Not no but hell NO!

Critics like Hannity are basically saying that armed protesters should not be intimidating the political masters.

It’s the other way around. The political masters should not be intimidating the citizenry.

The reasons that the protesters are bearing arms is to show the political masters is that they will not be intimidated.

Remember that there was only one group of people bearing arms at the Boston Massacre. How did that turn out for the protesters?
 
Thats interesting.

I talked to a State Trooper once in my State and it brought joy to my soul that the obligation was to the Constitution.

My local range was shut down recently by the town police chief per order of the town Board of Health. It caused a lot of angst on firearms chat boards regards police use of ranges going forward.

Just this week the range was reopened under measures that mitigated any BOH concerns. The complex has multiple ranges and now there is an online signup sheet for members to sign up and reserve a range for up to two hours, one shooter per range.

Im sure the BOH is against even that but the CoP correctly observed that mitigation rules are in place to defeat any health threat and he can not prevent the excercise of an individuals rights unless the BoH can exhibit how the threat to the public still exists.

In speaking with the club President the CoP expressed his respect for 2A and made the point that armed citizenry was a right and proper thing if we are to live free. Im sure his decision to let the club open even under these tough measures is against the wishes of the board of health but that Chief is doing the right thing for now.

Any country without a "militia" of the People lacks freedom.

Now for cops when it comes to decision time consider this.

When that decision is made they will lose their careers and source of income, their families will likely suffer, their financial situation will tank. Im guessing they will be immediately Red Flagged if the state has those statutes, all their guns will be confiscated and any licensing/permits will be revoked.

I think its being over looked how Red Flag laws might play against anyone committing a "Display of Force" at these rallys and the police should consider their activity if ordered to confiscate firearms of someone that was exercising their First Amendment and Second Amendment rights.

Anyway, assuming the Constitution as we know it still exists the only right thing for a sworn police officer to do is to resign or refuse the unlawful order.

The leaders of our Revolution had much bigger financial interests to lose, families and they knew that their support of the Revolution was a death sentence, yet still they did the right thing.

I hope you guys are keeping a spare rifle, enough ammo, and some food to support those police officers that do the right thing.


Great leadership dude, keep up the good work
 
as long as they are lawful, it doesnt matter what they wear nor their affiliations

Now that that fact is established in regards to the treatment of gay people it is interesting to note that they have become almost militant in persecuting those with views different than their own.

As part of our yearly Cape trip there is a trip to Provincetown.

Ill give gay people one thing - they have fantastic realtors.

Anyway as a Trump supporter in Ptown there is a strong current of feeling that, not that I have, wearing a "Keep America Great" hat would make discrimination against you acceptable.
 
I think if it does what it is supposed to and actually scares the masters and makes a statement then I don’t have a problem with it at all. I think the issue is, it’s not really doing either of those things, yet. I think the gov is so big that they aren’t scared of these little displays, nor do they get the message. I want to agree with all of you but I’m just not seeing these things being really successful. Look what happened in VA. They went through all that effort, showed up in mass, the king still did what he wanted and now all seems to be ok. That’s not the way this is supposed to work. When we do it and it doesn’t work in our favor it makes us look weak and like idiots. What we need is leadership with a goal in mind. Overall, I wish more people would do what those in MI did but I wish we could do it better.

Ask yourselves this, if Trump did what Canada just did, assuming he could in any way, what would you do?
 
Good point equating National saber rattling with Domestic saber rattling.

The govt is using force on sovereign individuals.

They need to realize there is the potential for a return in kind.

The key is that the use of force domestically must be initiated by those seeking to impede on the freedom of the people.

When the colonists gathered at Lexington they never intended to use their force, it was a display of force.

Who fired the first shot did not matter as even after it was fired there was not sufficient damage to start the Revolution at that point. It did motivate more Minutemen to leave their homes and prepare to meet the British at Concord. Farmers in some cases ran distances close to twenty miles to make it into action at some point during the day.

Two things galvanized the combatants and created the divide that meant what was in reality Civil War.

Both of those events were misunderstandings.

The colonists saw the smoke of the British burning captured military equipment in Concord center and thought the British were putting the town to light - that gave them the resolve to fight.

The British suffered two mortally wounded at the Bridge when the Colonists decided to confront them. After the short skirmish the British main force retreated to Concord and the Minutemen more or less dispersed. A platoon of British that had been across the Bridge returned from their scout to an unoccupied scene of skirmish. Unoccupied except for their two dead soldiers. One of the soldiers was mutilated. After the skirmish a young boy came upon the two Brits and he beat the skull in of one that was still alive. The returning soldiers thought the Minutemen had scalped him and they returned to tell the main body that the Colonists were taking scalps.

From that moment on it was a war. The Colonists fighting against an enemy that would burn the homes of non combatants and the British fighting against people they thought would scalp their dead. Later in the day there was no sense that the actions of either side were a "show of force". They shot, bayoneted, and bludgeoned each other with enthusiasm and as two separate people, no longer countrymen.

The "uncommitted" on both sides chose to support based on what they saw as the aggression of the other side.

Fence sitters here will not be willing to support a cause unless it is demonstrated to them that the other side is a legitimate threat.

Whichever side shows violence first will repel the fence sitters.

Perhaps it was good those people in Texas were disarmed by the Sheriff in his MRAP.

It showed that when confronted with force they stood down, choosing not to escalate. They made a show of force yet a desire not to use it.

Whats going to happen to bring the Boog will be an error.

Had that MRAP showed up and immediately gunned down the display of force Joe fence sitter will decide which side he is on.

These things require a martyr for the population to rally around.

Beautifully stated, sir!
 
I think if it does what it is supposed to and actually scares the masters and makes a statement then I don’t have a problem with it at all. I think the issue is, it’s not really doing either of those things, yet. I think the gov is so big that they aren’t scared of these little displays, nor do they get the message. I want to agree with all of you but I’m just not seeing these things being really successful. Look what happened in VA. They went through all that effort, showed up in mass, the king still did what he wanted and now all seems to be ok. That’s not the way this is supposed to work. When we do it and it doesn’t work in our favor it makes us look weak and like idiots. What we need is leadership with a goal in mind. Overall, I wish more people would do what those in MI did but I wish we could do it better.

Ask yourselves this, if Trump did what Canada just did, assuming he could in any way, what would you do?


"The Militia" needs to be "more organized".

Mobs are always under estimated as Mobs.

If along with the display of force there were a display of discipline and tactical knowledge it might be recognized this IS moving in a manner not beneficial to either side.
 
It doesn't help when they are fat out of shape guys who never served. Their gear looks all fucked up. Also, they make us look bad. Besides all of that they don't want to have a conversation and they use these guys to drum up support from the left. The independents who may not be into guns are turned off, so when they link these guys to the far right and call them Trump supporters you lose those people in the next election. We need those in the middle to vote for our side to help keep our rights and a bunch of rag tag wanna be soldiers who would die just running to the fight turn those voters off. JMO. Beside TheGerman would be appalled at the equipment they were using, bunch of poor.
Armed-militia-group-stands-in-front-of-governors-office-to-protest-shutdowns-in-Michigan_-Phot...jpg
 
It doesn't help when they are fat out of shape guys who never served. Their gear looks all fucked up. Also, they make us look bad. Besides all of that they don't want to have a conversation and they use these guys to drum up support from the left. The independents who may not be into guns are turned off, so when they link these guys to the far right and call them Trump supporters you lose those people in the next election. We need those in the middle to vote for our side to help keep our rights and a bunch of rag tag wanna be soldiers who would die just running to the fight turn those voters off. JMO. Beside TheGerman would be appalled at the equipment they were using, bunch of poor.View attachment 7319294


I dont know looks like the typical Army squad to me.....

Semper Fi!
 
Now that that fact is established in regards to the treatment of gay people it is interesting to note that they have become almost militant in persecuting those with views different than their own.

As part of our yearly Cape trip there is a trip to Provincetown.

Ill give gay people one thing - they have fantastic realtors.

Anyway as a Trump supporter in Ptown there is a strong current of feeling that, not that I have, wearing a "Keep America Great" hat would make discrimination against you acceptable.

they make streets named after folks like that...
ONEWAY
 
It doesn't help when they are fat out of shape guys who never served. Their gear looks all fucked up. Also, they make us look bad. Besides all of that they don't want to have a conversation and they use these guys to drum up support from the left. The independents who may not be into guns are turned off, so when they link these guys to the far right and call them Trump supporters you lose those people in the next election. We need those in the middle to vote for our side to help keep our rights and a bunch of rag tag wanna be soldiers who would die just running to the fight turn those voters off. JMO. Beside TheGerman would be appalled at the equipment they were using, bunch of poor.View attachment 7319294

as long as they are following the law, no probs.
others may not like them as much as i dont like gay pride day, when everyone there costumes up and looks super gay.
fact is, its none of my business how super gay they look on pride day
 
I think if it does what it is supposed to and actually scares the masters and makes a statement then I don’t have a problem with it at all. I think the issue is, it’s not really doing either of those things, yet. I think the gov is so big that they aren’t scared of these little displays, nor do they get the message. I want to agree with all of you but I’m just not seeing these things being really successful. Look what happened in VA. They went through all that effort, showed up in mass, the king still did what he wanted and now all seems to be ok. That’s not the way this is supposed to work. When we do it and it doesn’t work in our favor it makes us look weak and like idiots. What we need is leadership with a goal in mind. Overall, I wish more people would do what those in MI did but I wish we could do it better.

Ask yourselves this, if Trump did what Canada just did, assuming he could in any way, what would you do?
The protesters in Virginia disarmed and herded into a pen. Thats when they lost.
 
as long as they are following the law, no probs.
others may not like them as much as i dont like gay pride day, when everyone there costumes up and looks super gay.
fact is, its none of my business how super gay they look on pride day

I for one really don't give a shit how someone dresses or if they carry guns, I carry every day. I don't need to watch and I just turn shit off. In todays world were every M'fer is F'ing offended by someone else's actions, these clowns could do a better job of representing their cause and trying to get others to see their side of things, same thing could be said for the gays and their outfits. By dressing like they do and carrying guns they lose the independents and we lose at the ballot box. I don't see a day when half the country picks up arms to kill the other half of the country, so this needs to be fought by using our heads and not getting all emotional. We need to communicate effectively and not push people away. Besides the other side is taking this moment to ban firearms from the Michigan State capital building and that will surely happen. Just one more notch in their belt that didn't need to happen.
 
I have no idea what to do or what matters anymore.....64 years old and can still do 100 push ups (in a row) and ride a bike 15 miles. Worked every day of my Life - sometimes 3 jobs at a time to get the income level I wanted/needed. Owned a TV/Electronics repair shop for 20 years and then it evaporated. Took my skills at 44 and went into Service for the A/V Industry and have worked like a dog - 3 different jobs in 2017. Taught Martial Arts for 20 years. Shoot pretty well....prepared for whatever comes and in shape for it.

I *never* saw this (what the fuck ever we call it) coming in my Life. Our elected officials are contemptuous of US, afraid of US and want US disarmed. The elections are rigged. Our Government answers to a Global Oligarchy that is literally disassembling America to get our Savings, Homes, 401K's, Retirement, SS *ALL* of it by literally waging biological and non linear/psychological Warfare against the citizens of the World concentrating on the US because this is where there are *trillions* just for the taking in middle class working peoples possession.....

Half of them want to fleece, subjugate and murder US and the other half wants to disarm US so we die like rats trying to stay out of the train to the interment camp. Our bosses (who by and large have no skills and can't make or do anything) are literally contemptuous of the employees/workers who make them filthy fucking rich with their engineering and skills and hard labor yet all that matters is daddies fucking money. Never mind who we gotta fuck or kill to get it.

We are living in a failing/failed State. How's this gonna get fixed? At the Polls?

Bullshit.

VooDoo
 
I have no idea what to do or what matters anymore.....64 years old and can still do 100 push ups (in a row) and ride a bike 15 miles. Worked every day of my Life - sometimes 3 jobs at a time to get the income level I wanted/needed. Owned a TV/Electronics repair shop for 20 years and then it evaporated. Took my skills at 44 and went into Service for the A/V Industry and have worked like a dog - 3 different jobs in 2017. Taught Martial Arts for 20 years. Shoot pretty well....prepared for whatever comes and in shape for it.

I *never* saw this (what the fuck ever we call it) coming in my Life. Our elected officials are contemptuous of US, afraid of US and want US disarmed. The elections are rigged. Our Government answers to a Global Oligarchy that is literally disassembling America to get our Savings, Homes, 401K's, Retirement, SS *ALL* of it by literally waging biological and non linear/psychological Warfare against the citizens of the World concentrating on the US because this is where there are *trillions* just for the taking in middle class working peoples possession.....

Half of them want to fleece, subjugate and murder US and the other half wants to disarm US so we die like rats trying to stay out of the train to the interment camp. Our bosses (who by and large have no skills and can't make or do anything) are literally contemptuous of the employees/workers who make them filthy fucking rich with their engineering and skills and hard labor yet all that matters is daddies fucking money. Never mind who we gotta fuck or kill to get it.

We are living in a failing/failed State. How's this gonna get fixed? At the Polls?

Bullshit.

VooDoo


 
I for one really don't give a shit how someone dresses or if they carry guns, I carry every day. I don't need to watch and I just turn shit off. In todays world were every M'fer is F'ing offended by someone else's actions, these clowns could do a better job of representing their cause and trying to get others to see their side of things, same thing could be said for the gays and their outfits. By dressing like they do and carrying guns they lose the independents and we lose at the ballot box. I don't see a day when half the country picks up arms to kill the other half of the country, so this needs to be fought by using our heads and not getting all emotional. We need to communicate effectively and not push people away. Besides the other side is taking this moment to ban firearms from the Michigan State capital building and that will surely happen. Just one more notch in their belt that didn't need to happen.

The problem is, it doesn’t matter how well you communicate a message, if the other side is not willing to listen. That is exactly what is happening. Neither side is listening or willing to concede anything.
 
The problem is, it doesn’t matter how well you communicate a message, if the other side is not willing to listen. That is exactly what is happening. Neither side is listening or willing to concede anything.

I agree with you that the other side won't listen. We need the independents that will listen to join our side. To do this you need to effectively communicate with them so, they understand what our needs and wants are and can be brought over to our side.
 
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I see little difference between Antifa Protesters and those SWAT wannabees. They both invite the facepalm, IMHO. The proof is in both sides hiding their identity. They could just as easily easily be Antifa playing false flag, and their location and appearance would be indistinguishable. They know they are twisting the Tiger's tail. They deliberately seek notoriety. Dumb.

Firearms are not for display or for intimidation, and waving them around only puts blood in the water.

One need only expose firearms at the moment of their actual use. Anything else is just the antics of posers. It's a brand of deceit.

The most powerful protest I ever saw was when the Veterans turned their backs on Clinton placing the wreath at Arlington.

Truth in identity, no fuss, no firearms; speaking volumes.

Rant off...

Greg
 
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I see little difference between Antifa Protesters and those SWAT wannabees. They both invite the facepalm, IMHO. The proof is in both sides hiding their identity. They know they are twisting the Tiger's tail. They deliberately seek notoriety. Dumb.

Firearms are not for display or for intimidation, and waving them around only puts blood in the water.

One need only expose firearms at the moment of their actual use. Anything else is just the antics of posers.

Rant off...

Greg

Agreed.
 
Yada...yada..yada...
I didn't read the whole thread.
I did hear what Hannity was saying in the brief moment I listened to him on say to work the other night.
Hannity
Can
Eat
A bag
Of DICKS.
And so can all with his mindset.
That is all.
 
I saw the Hannity broadcast; and I think he missed the point by a mile, as others have also done recently.

The net effect is one of deflection and denial.

The protest is not about LE, or in spite of LE.

It's about unreasonable executive excess; and yes there is a time for executive excess. Like all excess; it must be done extremely judiciously, but that's not what we're seeing at all.

Tyranny is easy; defending it is harder. Defeating it is harder still, and absolutely necessary.

Greg
 
The entire point of the 2nd was to give the citizenary the right to have and bare weapons regardless of peoples' feels.

This was specifically put into the Constitution with the intent that citizens can lawfully be armed while dealing with anything that affected them so that the 'king's men' would not have a monopoly on force and subside justice/citizen's best interests due to them being the only ones armed and giving citizen's a choice of 'do what I want or get shot' to achieve that end.

Here we are. And we're questioning it?
 
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The entire point of the 2nd was to give the citizenary the right to have and bare weapons regardless of peoples' feels.

This was specifically put into the Constitution with the intent that citizens can lawfully be armed while dealing with anything that affected them so that the 'king's men' would not have a monopoly on force and subside justice/citizen's best interests due to them being the only ones armed and giving citizen's a choice of 'do what I want or get shot' to achieve whatever they wanted.

Here we are. And we're questioning it?
A circle jerk of optics with an opponent that makes up fake optics.
Whether we liked their dress or accessories they got off their ass and made a stand.
Strange I haven't heard any MSM playing what it looks like games with antifa.

R
 
A circle jerk of optics with an opponent that makes up fake optics.
Whether we liked their dress or accessories they got off their ass and made a stand.
Strange I haven't heard any MSM playing what it looks like games with antifa.

R

Right. Who gives a shit what lesser people think? It's a right, not a popularity contest.

Stand by it and use it every chance there is. Don't let it wilt on the vine under the guise of 'optics' or whatever bullshit; its a legal, normal, actually encouraged thing.

Look at who takes the most offense to you utilizing your rights; that should tell you on what side of things you stand.