I was wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between red boxed Federal Value pack wally world stuff versus the blue boxed Federal Champion value packs? I know the champion comes in individual boxes with plastic trays, but thats all.
Does anyone know the difference between Federals??
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Re: Does anyone know the difference between Federals??
value packs: as far as the bulk or value packs go, i think the color is just indicating the quantities 375, 525, or 550 round packs.
then there is the red (gold medal) and blue (champion target)
red box = "standard velocity" 1080fps lead rn
blue = "high velocity" 1200fps +
they are further broken down to different loads for each color (gold medal and champion target) that have slightly different fps. all the gold medal are 40 gr lead rn, the champions are either 36 gr hp copper plated or 40 grain lead rn depending on what further breakdown you choose.
the federal link kinda sorts out the types of .22 lr ammos they have:
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/rimfire.aspx
value packs: as far as the bulk or value packs go, i think the color is just indicating the quantities 375, 525, or 550 round packs.
then there is the red (gold medal) and blue (champion target)
red box = "standard velocity" 1080fps lead rn
blue = "high velocity" 1200fps +
they are further broken down to different loads for each color (gold medal and champion target) that have slightly different fps. all the gold medal are 40 gr lead rn, the champions are either 36 gr hp copper plated or 40 grain lead rn depending on what further breakdown you choose.
the federal link kinda sorts out the types of .22 lr ammos they have:
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/rimfire.aspx
Re: Does anyone know the difference between Federals??
Okay thanks. But does the champion pose a better round ( ballistic wise ) over the red box value pack seen at walmart?
Okay thanks. But does the champion pose a better round ( ballistic wise ) over the red box value pack seen at walmart?
Re: Does anyone know the difference between Federals??
i've used both, and the champion 40 gr HV non value pack blue was ok through a savage MKII, but the gold medal red 40gr sv worked much better.
more often than not, a standard or match velocity round is going to give you better consistancy than the HV. while the high velocity will give you less drop, the standard velocity keeps on it's path better. when HV starts to drop into the sub sonic FPS (1050-1080 fps depending on temp, altitude, etc.) it starts to destabilize in flight causing it to wobble or veer off it's path.
value or bulk packs are hit and miss depending on the rifle. the CZ 455 i just picked up actually shoots the bulk pack stuff really well, while my savages not so much at longer distances
if your looking for a bulk / value (cheap) HV vel plinker type ammo, see if you can get your hands on some CCI blazer.
so ballistic wise, it sort of doesn't matter if your rifle doesn't "like" the ammo. forget ballistic tables, charts, graphs, and even everything i just said and what everyone will add to in the thread about ballistics and what ammos should do. the only way to make sure what ammo is better than the other is to try it in your rifle. don't think of it as what ammo is better than another, but what ammo does your rifle handle the best.
for example, i've tried a few boxes of lapua midas (20.00 a box) and CCI standard velocity (2.50ish a box) through my MKII BV, it actually shot the CCI standard velocity better at 100 and 200 yards!
i've used both, and the champion 40 gr HV non value pack blue was ok through a savage MKII, but the gold medal red 40gr sv worked much better.
more often than not, a standard or match velocity round is going to give you better consistancy than the HV. while the high velocity will give you less drop, the standard velocity keeps on it's path better. when HV starts to drop into the sub sonic FPS (1050-1080 fps depending on temp, altitude, etc.) it starts to destabilize in flight causing it to wobble or veer off it's path.
value or bulk packs are hit and miss depending on the rifle. the CZ 455 i just picked up actually shoots the bulk pack stuff really well, while my savages not so much at longer distances
if your looking for a bulk / value (cheap) HV vel plinker type ammo, see if you can get your hands on some CCI blazer.
so ballistic wise, it sort of doesn't matter if your rifle doesn't "like" the ammo. forget ballistic tables, charts, graphs, and even everything i just said and what everyone will add to in the thread about ballistics and what ammos should do. the only way to make sure what ammo is better than the other is to try it in your rifle. don't think of it as what ammo is better than another, but what ammo does your rifle handle the best.
for example, i've tried a few boxes of lapua midas (20.00 a box) and CCI standard velocity (2.50ish a box) through my MKII BV, it actually shot the CCI standard velocity better at 100 and 200 yards!
Re: Does anyone know the difference between Federals??
Cool thanks man. This ammo is actually for my fiances 15-22. Its a plinker, so I dont need crazy accurate ammo. Just able to hit stuff at 100 yards or so.. I got in on the Dunns 170 shipped deal for the 22lr Champion federal ammo. Im hoping its good to go....
This isnt the deal but the ammo
http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FA745&src=sim
Cool thanks man. This ammo is actually for my fiances 15-22. Its a plinker, so I dont need crazy accurate ammo. Just able to hit stuff at 100 yards or so.. I got in on the Dunns 170 shipped deal for the 22lr Champion federal ammo. Im hoping its good to go....
This isnt the deal but the ammo
http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FA745&src=sim
Re: Does anyone know the difference between Federals??
In my experience the bulk red box is a little stronger than the blue box. Never tried the 375 bulk box.
In my experience the bulk red box is a little stronger than the blue box. Never tried the 375 bulk box.
