DOJ New Gun Sales Requirements UPDATE: Texas AG Paxton with GOA sues Biden Admin!

[UKDslayer]

BREAKING: Biden Regime Approves Expansion of Background Checks for Gun Shows and Online Firearm Sales (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

Biden’s Justice Department has announced the implementation of the “Engaged in the Business” Final Rule on Thursday.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Rule Seeks to Implement Provisions of the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act and Provide Clarity on Who Must Obtain a License and Run Background Checks
The Justice Department today announced it has submitted to the Federal Register the “Engaged in the Business” Final Rule, which makes clear the circumstances in which a person is “engaged in the business” of dealing in firearms and thus required to obtain a federal firearms license, in order to increase compliance with the federal background check requirement for firearm sales by federal firearms licensees.
“Under this regulation, it will not matter if guns are sold on the internet, at a gun show, or at a brick-and-mortar store: if you sell guns predominantly to earn a profit, you must be licensed, and you must conduct background checks,” said Attorney General Merrick B. Garland. “This regulation is a historic step in the Justice Department’s fight against gun violence. It will save lives.”

"This is a regulatory rule, not a law enacted by Congress. It is likely to be challenged and overturned in courts."
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Update!! Texas AG, Kansas AG & GOA sue Biden admin this past week!

 

[DuneBoer]

Sorry can't sell yet. Still waiting on the muthafukin' ATF and sheeit!

 

[psharon78]

Not as bad as I thought. I figured they would show that if sold a gun in a different year from which you bought said gun for more than you bought the gun, you would have to either attain an FFL, or go through a FFL.

 

[Ronws]

Sounds like they are trying to team with the ATF. Still just as absurd. You already have to have an FFL to deal guns.

But they are stupid and scared. They don't know what to do about what they really want, which is to have private owner sales be controlled, meaning that John Q Public has to pay the fee to be an FFL.

All, of course, to fulfill the end of game of just simply taking away your guns. And they will do so because people are going to let them.

 

[EddieNFL]

“This regulation is a historic step in the Justice Department’s fight against gun violence. It will save lives.”

It seemsbthevmore we hear this, the more violence we experience.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

 

[Redmanss]

Rule changes like this is only with the intent of scaring away regular people from selling their firearms, along with one more charge to throw at someone they feel like targeting and making them have to defend or plea bargain away. Where's the burden of proof going to fall? On the seller, of course, to show the firearm they are selling isn't at a profit.

I don't frequent gun shows, I got my fill of shitty beef jerky and cheap Paki knives back in my teens, but I have a feeling those setting up tables and selling firearms have an FFL and do business by the rules. It was that way when I hit them up years back, when it was Pelosi's and Feinstein's favorite doom and gloom target, and things have only tightened up since.

 

[rlsmith1]

Not as bad as I thought. I figured they would show that if sold a gun in a different year from which you bought said gun for more than you bought the gun, you would have to either attain an FFL, or go through a FFL.

Still terrible

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Don't see how this is any different than what we already have.

If you are engaged in selling firearms for profit, its a business therefore you need an FFL. Hasn't it always been this way?

Just saying the same thing they always said in a different way.

Hard to get your panties twisted about this one.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

How much profit do you need for it to be considered a "business"?? How many sales do you have to make before it's considered a "business"?
Ambiguous bullshit is the business of tyrants

 

[fpgt72]

Not as bad as I thought. I figured they would show that if sold a gun in a different year from which you bought said gun for more than you bought the gun, you would have to either attain an FFL, or go through a FFL.

I can tell you how it works in MO and KS.

Here in MO a face to face transfer is OK, no idea needs exchanged. I bought both my MAS36 and 49/56, WWII bolt action and cold war semi auto, both French, and really fine guns. I would say that the MAS36 is the best "war" military bolt action ever made, but that debate is for another thread.

This kind of thing usually happens between 03FFL, but if you buy from "just a guy" there is zero requirement if you are the 03. If you sell as an 03 you need to get his ID, a copy or photo of his DL is just fine and record it in your "bound book" to show where your gun went. You can sell to improve or expand your collection, can can't do it as a business. And I think the ATF really watches this stuff. I have a fantastic wife so I have not sold one single thing (here that ATF guy) and I have my book on paper and in an access database.

Anyhoo I babbled again.

In MO you can't buy something face to face from someone in KS. If in KS it would have to go to a KS FFL then shipped to a MO FFL, then they would transfer it to you after the normal 4473, this will add a good $100+ to the price of the gun.

The "gunshow loophole" allows face to face transfers at kansas gun shows for missouri residents. (At least this is the way it was roughly 15 years ago when I was really active in the hobby) FFL 03's can buy, sell and trade with any 03 in the country, this "loop hole" only went with a non FFL person being the one buying or an 03 person selling to a non FFL person.

To tell the truth I have not bought anything on my 03 in a few years, I still renew it as who knows, perhaps with retirement I will become active in it again. It is fun to find that treasure. I still want that Czarist Remington 91/30 I have a very nice US marked Westinghouse, looks like it was made yesterday and shoots great, at least from a lead sled, my shoulder is so fooked now I can't take the recoil of anything over a 22. Even 38's in my lever gun are too much. I need to get that looked at.

Sorry my normal babble, but at least this is how I understand the "loophole".

Also there are not many "questionable" people I have seen at gunshows. I quit going to the normal RK shows that are common in KC a while ago, but the law enforcement presence and I think the general no fucking around kept the "questionable" folk away. Just lots of gun people there of all colors. All friendly and cool.

 

[fpgt72]

How much profit do you need for it to be considered a "business"?? How many sales do you have to make before it's considered a "business"?
Ambiguous bullshit is the business of tyrants

I don't think it is really profit, but volume. The feds have no idea who and how many face to face transfers happen. They will notice an uptick in your buying habits, and I think this is what lead them to the door of the Little Rock guy. They saw him buying a bunch of stuff.

In the 03 world transfers between other 03's happen all the time. You can't buy something to sell, that is pretty clear. But you can buy something and then trade it off, or sell it off to improve your collection. Really it is pretty gray. I think it is one of those things you know someone is doing something funny when you see it.

I bought a package deal of one Remington 8 and one Remington 81, if you don't know these are the first commercial self loading hunting rifles, and designed by John Browning. I really wanted the 8 as it was in 30 remington, one of the original flavors, the 81 in 300 savage I really did not want, but it was a package of two rifles. Now I REALLY want an 8 in 25 remington, I just have a thing for the smaller calibers, but they are quite hard to find, and even harder to find the one you want. It took me about seven years to find the right Japanese type 99. I still have both Remingtons as I have yet to find the "right" one, or the right 1907 Winchester that is also on my watch list.

This is the way I think the .gov intends the 03 FFL's to work. Real collectors, that just like this stuff. But there are always people that abuse it, people will people.

I don't think there is a clear line that says if you make X much or sell/trade Y many guns you fall into a business.

I only know the "vintage" side of things, and I try to dot the T's and cross all the I's.

 

[Green461]

How would they know? Who buying a gun is going to go tell the govt? Who selling a gun is going to go tell the govt? They just made a larger black market thats all. Hopefully like prohibition it comes back and bites them in the ass.

 

[Old Man with Gun]

There are some legit business people without a FFL that buy and sell, I don't see any reason why they can't get a FFL and follow the same rules as all the B&M stores.

I also recognize that some people are using gun shows as ways to obtain guns from people who think they are selling to an FFL and later find out the guns have been used in crimes or ended up in Mexico. This is bad business and hurts the legitimate people in the industry.

 

[rlsmith1]

There are some legit business people without a FFL that buy and sell, I don't see any reason why they can't get a FFL and follow the same rules as all the B&M stores.

I also recognize that some people are using gun shows as ways to obtain guns from people who think they are selling to an FFL and later find out the guns have been used in crimes or ended up in Mexico. This is bad business and hurts the legitimate people in the industry.

Not sure how this falls under the "shall not be infringed" part

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

How much profit do you need for it to be considered a "business"?? How many sales do you have to make before it's considered a "business"?
Ambiguous bullshit is the business of tyrants

Almost all laws are ambiguous.

Are you selling guns for the primary purpose of profit. IE buy a gun for X with the intent to sell it for X+Y.

Its really not hard to understand. Someone liquidating a collection or selling off some prices, while they may make a profit on the sale, are not engaged in the business of selling guns for profit. Someone making a livelihood or using it as a side business with the primary purpose of profit, it.

Not to mention this is really about FTF sales. In like half the country, they are banned, and transfers from one person to another not in the same family (IE a gift) need to go through an FFL. So its about background checks. If you are selling something and going through an FFL on either end, there is a NICS check either way which covers you.

 

[W54/XM-388]

There are some legit business people without a FFL that buy and sell, I don't see any reason why they can't get a FFL and follow the same rules as all the B&M stores.

I also recognize that some people are using gun shows as ways to obtain guns from people who think they are selling to an FFL and later find out the guns have been used in crimes or ended up in Mexico. This is bad business and hurts the legitimate people in the industry.

Some of Y'all seem to forget when the ATF was cancelling FFL licences and denying them for "kitchen counter dealers" claiming they weren't "selling enough guns to qualify as a business"...

This is NOT about trying to increase the number of FFLs, that has NEVER been the point, the ATF has in fact done all it can to make it as hard as possible to be an FFL and stay an FFL because they want to clamp down on any freedom minded individuals that won't lick their boots instantly when they make "suggestions" of how to backdoor register everyone's guns...

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

How would they know? Who buying a gun is going to go tell the govt? Who selling a gun is going to go tell the govt? They just made a larger black market thats all. Hopefully like prohibition it comes back and bites them in the ass.

They dont have too. You do realize everything you do on a computer, phone, email, text, hell half the shit you say around any phone or electronic device is recorded and stored in massive servers. Through illegal surveillance and combing through all this information, the powers that be know more about you probably know about yourself. Wait until AI gets better and see what happens with that data.

If they catch some retard buying dozens of guns to flip them, its pretty easy to prove they were doing it for profit, and therefore are operating as a business without an FFL.

If thats hard for you to understand, then it would make sense why you are mad about something that has already existed for decades.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Not to mention this is really about FTF sales. In like half the country, they are banned, and transfers from one person to another not in the same family (IE a gift) need to go through an FFL. So its about background checks. If you are selling something and going through an FFL on either end, there is a NICS check either way which covers you.

Which in the end is ALL about back door registration and eventual confiscation.

That is why it is URGENTLY important to make sure FTF sales are protected and allowed to continue to be without paperwork or checks needed.

Otherwise you WILL come to regret it when the uniform hangers show up at your door to confiscate the list of firearms that they have you on record as having thanks to backdoor registration (aka just going to the FFLs and saying we are "inspecting" your books and photographing everything, why do you think they changed the forms to put the name information and the gun information on the same side of the page?....)

And then your "boating accident" won't have any effect.
You'll be assumed guilty of transferring guns without the background check unless you can prove otherwise.

Remember ALL "gun laws" were NEVER about criminals or crime, they were "ALWAYS" about Taxing, controlling and oppressing the good folks and eventually trying to disarm them so only Criminals and Uniform Hangers could be empowered.

 

[FredHammer]

Don't see how this is any different than what we already have.

If you are engaged in selling firearms for profit, its a business therefore you need an FFL. Hasn't it always been this way?

Just saying the same thing they always said in a different way.

Hard to get your panties twisted about this one.

Yes. Just libtard fluff feel good measures for libtards and soccer moms. (Soccer moms probably synonymous)
I know ATF audits and FFL renewals reveal if more guns are being transferred to others than FFL holder keeps for themselves.

The only difference would be if the Administration/ATF/gubment started to crack down on those skirting the FFL.

 

[Old Man with Gun]

Not sure how this falls under the "shall not be infringed" part

Since we can't buy rockets or sell to violent felons, I'll go with the belief that there are some regulations and limits.

 

[rlsmith1]

Since we can't buy rockets or sell to violent felons, I'll go with the belief that there are some regulations and limits.

You just listed more infringements

There are much better ways to solve the violent felon problem besides not allowing them to buy a gun (starting with the family / home situation)

 

[Green461]

They dont have too. You do realize everything you do on a computer, phone, email, text, hell half the shit you say around any phone or electronic device is recorded and stored in massive servers. Through illegal surveillance and combing through all this information, the powers that be know more about you probably know about yourself. Wait until AI gets better and see what happens with that data.

If they catch some retard buying dozens of guns to flip them, its pretty easy to prove they were doing it for profit, and therefore are operating as a business without an FFL.

If thats hard for you to understand, then it would make sense why you are mad about something that has already existed for decades.

Ive never bought a used firearm by online transaction, its always in private. The only info online would be a message or email saying "can I come look at gun?" and thats it. Private one off sales will still be impossible to track. But ya, if you are buying a ton and flipping them, thats your own stupidity. Wasnt what I was referring to.

 

[Ronws]

What if a person is selling a gun to simply recoup the amount spent? Just converting that asset to cash.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Ive never bought a used firearm by online transaction, its always in private. The only info online would be a message or email saying "can I come look at gun?" and thats it. Private one off sales will still be impossible to track. But ya, if you are buying a ton and flipping them, thats your own stupidity. Wasnt what I was referring to.

You are either naive or incredible ignorant of the mass surveillance and capabilities of our gov, tech and their supporters.

NSA has been recording phone calls for over 60 years. EVERY SINGLE PHONE CALL.
Every text
All web traffic (packets)
Every Email
Your phone listens when you talk, ever wonder why you talk about something and then you start seeing adds for it?
Got an alexa? it does the same thing.
Have a smart TV? Most have mic and camera and can be remoted in, when they arent gobbling up every conversation that happens in their presence.

All that shit gets recorded. Why do you think NSA and every tech company is building data centers bigger than footballs stadiums as fast as they can. Its all for data storage for current and future purposes. Assuming the .GOV isint already fully tapped in, commercial entities will sell that data to anyone including other commercial enterprises, other govs and the US gov.

And that is just worrying about you. Now think about the other parties, what they do, what they say and how their information is collected to create networks of interface.

The powers that be can query all that info and build a transactional history with location, timelines, ect to show intent.

Want to avoid it? Go live in the woods off the grid like Ted , except you can never use a phone, computer or electronic device that connects to the web.

That is the reality today and its only going to get worse going forward.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

What if a person is selling a gun to simply recoup the amount spent? Just converting that asset to cash.

What part of engaging in business for PROFIT is hard for people to understand?

 

[LuckyDuck]

What part of engaging in business for PROFIT is hard for people to understand?

To be fair- I think a good chunk of the concerns surrounding this is how vaguely it is written suggesting that the determination of 'engaging in business for profit' is open to the government's interpretation. The threshold that they're going to use as to the quantity of sales that places one at risk or even how something that used to be as easily defined as 'profit' is even up for grabs. Will the potential seller be able to account/claim depreciation and inflation adjust the firearm? There's also a precedent (also from the ATF enforcement) that could be extrapolated to other sales under their perview. Say someone collects/invests in wine will they now need a liquor license to sell bottles from their collection privately?

I certainly see where you're coming from but when we have a government that recently cannot define genders anymore (as an example) I also see the concerns that the way this is written may not be applied the way one with commonsense would interpret it even 5 years ago. Not discrediting your opinion(s) by any means, just sharing some of the areas that popped out to me that would give one pause for concern is all.

Happy shooting.

-LD

 

[fpgt72]

Which in the end is ALL about back door registration and eventual confiscation.

That is why it is URGENTLY important to make sure FTF sales are protected and allowed to continue to be without paperwork or checks needed.

Otherwise you WILL come to regret it when the uniform hangers show up at your door to confiscate the list of firearms that they have you on record as having thanks to backdoor registration (aka just going to the FFLs and saying we are "inspecting" your books and photographing everything, why do you think they changed the forms to put the name information and the gun information on the same side of the page?....)

And then your "boating accident" won't have any effect.
You'll be assumed guilty of transferring guns without the background check unless you can prove otherwise.

Remember ALL "gun laws" were NEVER about criminals or crime, they were "ALWAYS" about Taxing, controlling and oppressing the good folks and eventually trying to disarm them so only Criminals and Uniform Hangers could be empowered.

I am not sure how many of you know about this, so I will post it up. You need to remember the time when this happened and who was in charge. I doubt that anyone would buy into this in any way shape or form if it was to happen today. A little like the "assault weapons" deal that went down a month or so ago. Register all your "assault weapons" and hardly anyone did it. Amazing that like 3% of the people did register.

In this day and age there is so little trust in the .gov this would never happen, and they know it. This is also why they are doing this. They know where every single gun went and what citizen bought it. After that it can get gray. They want to remove that gray.

 

[MK20]

Almost all laws are ambiguous.

Are you selling guns for the primary purpose of profit. IE buy a gun for X with the intent to sell it for X+Y.

Its really not hard to understand. Someone liquidating a collection or selling off some prices, while they may make a profit on the sale, are not engaged in the business of selling guns for profit. Someone making a livelihood or using it as a side business with the primary purpose of profit, it.

Not to mention this is really about FTF sales. In like half the country, they are banned, and transfers from one person to another not in the same family (IE a gift) need to go through an FFL. So its about background checks. If you are selling something and going through an FFL on either end, there is a NICS check either way which covers you.

All you fucking morons who think a 4473 "covers" you are going to cover yourself right into registration and confiscation via the FFL system. Don't you get that is what they want? A 4473 for every transaction in the US.

Since we can't buy rockets or sell to violent felons, I'll go with the belief that there are some regulations and limits.

When this country was founded there were privately owned warships with artillery on board. No paperwork needed. And they were specifically listed as being protected by the 2nd ammendment.
Your logic is sophomoric and ignorant.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

You could also own people when this country was founded. Not the best example broski.

 

[Ronws]

What part of engaging in business for PROFIT is hard for people to understand?

My question was a question about legality, not rhetoric or throwing shade.

Not talking about a straw purchase, either. I own a gun for several years and then I don't want it anymore. So, I sell it to a friend or a stranger. Just for even numbers, let's say I put 3k into it. And I am selling it for 3k, maybe even less to account for barrel life. Either way, no actual profit over what I spent. Precisely, it is not a profitable sale. Do we need to FFL that?

FWIW, if I sell a gun, I will get documentation of who I sold it to. That way, if a crime happens with that serial number, I have proof that it was not me because I sold it to a guy named deathbydisco on April 12, 2024, for example. And whoever he may have sold it to is beyond my knowledge or concern.

 

[Green461]

You are either naive or incredible ignorant of the mass surveillance and capabilities of our gov, tech and their supporters.

NSA has been recording phone calls for over 60 years. EVERY SINGLE PHONE CALL.
Every text
All web traffic (packets)
Every Email
Your phone listens when you talk, ever wonder why you talk about something and then you start seeing adds for it?
Got an alexa? it does the same thing.
Have a smart TV? Most have mic and camera and can be remoted in, when they arent gobbling up every conversation that happens in their presence.

All that shit gets recorded. Why do you think NSA and every tech company is building data centers bigger than footballs stadiums as fast as they can. Its all for data storage for current and future purposes. Assuming the .GOV isint already fully tapped in, commercial entities will sell that data to anyone including other commercial enterprises, other govs and the US gov.

And that is just worrying about you. Now think about the other parties, what they do, what they say and how their information is collected to create networks of interface.

The powers that be can query all that info and build a transactional history with location, timelines, ect to show intent.

Want to avoid it? Go live in the woods off the grid like Ted , except you can never use a phone, computer or electronic device that connects to the web.

That is the reality today and its only going to get worse going forward.

Im not naive, that might register a bit into the red on the tinfoil hat meter. No one is listening to me talk to someone about a gun for sale., and if they are who cares? They cant get anyone for talking about something, they need to prove you did something. I dont own an alexis, smart tv, not a texter, and my phone sits on the counter in the kitchen most its life. Im sure im already on every watch list so dont really care. If they bugged my house and had 100 cameras installed I wouldnt give a damn and continue to do what I want. People shouldnt let fear get in their way, mostly irrational fear at that. I can look up how to mountl dual M134's on my car if i want to.... its not illegal. Or how to do whatever.. IF you do something stupid and illegal.. and then they go back and see what you looked at its all just circumstantial evidense to support their case... Dont do things stupid and illegal and you really have nothing to fear. Half my guns were bought used, there is no registration here, so no one has any idea or clue what I have, and If i sell it to my neighbor or whoever cash sale.. no one knows he bought it, no one knows I sold it, no one even knows the gun exsists.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Im not naive, that might register a bit into the red on the tinfoil hat meter. No one is listening to me talk to someone about a gun for sale., and if they are who cares? They cant get anyone for talking about something, they need to prove you did something. I dont own an alexis, smart tv, not a texter, and my phone sits on the counter in the kitchen most its life. Im sure im already on every watch list so dont really care. If they bugged my house and had 100 cameras installed I wouldnt give a damn and continue to do what I want. People shouldnt let fear get in their way, mostly irrational fear at that. I can look up how to mountl dual M134's on my car if i want to.... its not illegal. Or how to do whatever.. IF you do something stupid and illegal.. and then they go back and see what you looked at its all just circumstantial evidense to support their case... Dont do things stupid and illegal and you really have nothing to fear. Half my guns were bought used, there is no registration here, so no one has any idea or clue what I have, and If i sell it to my neighbor or whoever cash sale.. no one knows he bought it, no one knows I sold it, no one even knows the gun exsists.

You should go google the term "conspiracy". Talking about or planning to commit a crime with another person , is a crime.

You commit multiple felonies a day, just dont know about them and there is not the mechanism to charge you, YET.

Wait until everything you do is not only recorded, but compiled and analyzed by AI.

Think its all tinfoil shit, you haven't been paying attention.

 

[Tx_Aggie]

How much profit do you need for it to be considered a "business"?? How many sales do you have to make before it's considered a "business"?
Ambiguous bullshit is the business of tyrants

From the Biden Admin's announcement of the rule yesterday on the whitehouse.gov website:

The final rule clarifies that even a single firearm transaction may be sufficient to require a license, if there is other behavior to suggest commercial activity.

FACT SHEET: Biden-Harris Administration Announces New Action to Implement Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, Expanding Firearm Background Checks to Fight Gun Crime | The White House

New Department of Justice final rule sets strong standard for gun sellers who have to get a license and conduct background checks Today, the Biden-Harris

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[wvfarrier]

If you read it, it doesnt just say "sale". It also covers trading or anything "tangible"

 

[Rthur]

Since we can't buy rockets or sell to violent felons, I'll go with the belief that there are some regulations and limits.

On who? dumbass
Something tells me this will only effect the law abiding.
Pookie isn't going to call the ATF/NICS.

R

 

[MadDuner]

Do you think the guy that used to swing by my former work that was selling stolen guns out of the back of his stolen car is going to go legit and go for his FFL now?

Naw, me either.

 

[MK20]

You could also own people when this country was founded. Not the best example broski.

Actually, per the Supreme Court of the United States via the New York vs Bruen decision, I am correct and you are wrong.

The specific language states

"Instead, the government must affirmatively prove that its firearms
regulation is part of the historical tradition that delimits
the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms."

This is specifically in the context of looking at regulations that were in place at the time of the ratification of the constitution.

Looks like debating, like PRS, is another sport that you will always be down in the 300 rankings for.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Actually, per the Supreme Court of the United States via the New York vs Bruen decision, I am correct and you are wrong.

The specific language states

"Instead, the government must affirmatively prove that its firearms
regulation is part of the historical tradition that delimits
the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms."

This is specifically in the context of looking at regulations that were in place at the time of the ratification of the constitution.

Looks like debating, like PRS, is another sport that you will always be down in the 300 rankings for.

Lol on retards and non shooters say that dumb shit. Too lazy to even look up scores. But keep on going about shit you suck at.

 

[MK20]

Lol on retards and non shooters say that dumb shit. Too lazy to even look up scores. But keep on going about shit you suck at.

I didn't hear you address the facts I laid out.

Ad hominem attacks are fun, but ultimately vapid and lacking firmness should you ignore the facts.

How would you respond to the Supreme court's ruling that has been provided to you that manifestly contradicts your statements?

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

I agree with you about bueren. It changes everything but will take years to change existing laws as they get challangeded assuming it doesn't get supsercedded by something else.

You are the one who took a personal shot. So not sure why you are acting asschapped about a response to it.

 

[Ronws]

They cant get anyone for talking about something, they need to prove you did something.

Not defending DBD here but I must offer a counterpoint that yes, you can get in trouble for only talking about something.

YouTuber sentenced to prison for advertising unregistered machine gun devices

A YouTuber with over 180,000 subscribers will spend the next five years behind bars for advertising an "auto key card" which can be used to turn a semi-automatic rifle into a machine gun, feds say

lawandcrime.com

Matt Hoover from CRS Firearms youtube channel is in prison because he talked about a metal card with an etching on it. They say he consipred to distribute machine gun parts. The metal card has patterns etched in it. If you cut along the lines, it should create a lightning link that you can put into an AR-15 and have it repeat fire.

An expert gunsmith in the ATF tried it and could not make it work.

Matt never sold or distributed or advertised carrying them, never even owned one. He would not need it, he has an SOT. All he did was talk about it. And he is in prison.

 

[A.sosa]

Why go after they buyers when you can go after the distro.

 

[W54/XM-388]

After that it can get gray. They want to remove that gray.

That's why it is SO important to protect the grey.

The grey is the difference between you staying out of jail when you "can't" turn over the gun they say you once had and being stuck in jail like forever at the whim of some judge because you "didn't obey his orders". (Another thing that needs to get done away with when the world is rebuilt).

 

[kthomas]

Don't see how this is any different than what we already have.

If you are engaged in selling firearms for profit, its a business therefore you need an FFL. Hasn't it always been this way?

Just saying the same thing they always said in a different way.

Hard to get your panties twisted about this one.

This is how I understand it as well. Doesn't seem like anything has really changed.

I know the news loves to make it sound like anyone can walk into a gun show and buy a gun without any checks (the dreaded "gun show loophole") - but good luck trying to find a gun dealer at a gun show sell you anything without going through the regular process.

 

[fpgt72]

That's why it is SO important to protect the grey.

The grey is the difference between you staying out of jail when you "can't" turn over the gun they say you once had and being stuck in jail like forever at the whim of some judge because you "didn't obey his orders". (Another thing that needs to get done away with when the world is rebuilt).

And here is a good thing to keep in mind. Many of us think and feel you vote does not really matter, however we still do it.

On the odd chance that your local judges are not bought off yet by some faction, research those people before the election. All you need to do it look to AZ to see just how important those small local officials are. Including the sheriff.

 

[higginsworksforme]

Too bad I can't read.

 

[LawTalker]

BREAKING: Biden Regime Approves Expansion of Background Checks for Gun Shows and Online Firearm Sales (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

Biden’s Justice Department has announced the implementation of the “Engaged in the Business” Final Rule on Thursday.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Rule Seeks to Implement Provisions of the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act and Provide Clarity on Who Must Obtain a License and Run Background Checks
The Justice Department today announced it has submitted to the Federal Register the “Engaged in the Business” Final Rule, which makes clear the circumstances in which a person is “engaged in the business” of dealing in firearms and thus required to obtain a federal firearms license, in order to increase compliance with the federal background check requirement for firearm sales by federal firearms licensees.
“Under this regulation, it will not matter if guns are sold on the internet, at a gun show, or at a brick-and-mortar store: if you sell guns predominantly to earn a profit, you must be licensed, and you must conduct background checks,” said Attorney General Merrick B. Garland. “This regulation is a historic step in the Justice Department’s fight against gun violence. It will save lives.”

"This is a regulatory rule, not a law enacted by Congress. It is likely to be challenged and overturned in courts."

The Supreme Court has, after decades of lack of interest in Second Amendment cases, recently taken up a significant number of significant Second Amendment cases, this matter will likely be before the US Supreme Court within 18-24 months.


Does this mean that somebody who wishes to sell guns solely online, or the "kitchen table FFL" can now obtain an FFL to sell only online or only at gun shows?


For my part I'm just pleased to see the ATF has their priorities straight and now has "non-binary" listed as an option under sex on the FFL application. I wonder how long it is going to be until felons are allowed to identify as non-felons if they feel they were wrongfully convicted.

 

[LawTalker]

You should go google the term "conspiracy". Talking about or planning to commit a crime with another person , is a crime.

You commit multiple felonies a day, just dont know about them and there is not the mechanism to charge you, YET.

Wait until everything you do is not only recorded, but compiled and analyzed by AI.

Think its all tinfoil shit, you haven't been paying attention.

They are fairly close, or so they claim, to having devices that will be able to interpret your brain waves and determine what you are thinking.

Just wait until they finally have a device that can, in real-time, interpret your brain waves and project them into a viewable format that can be reviewed, with this occurring in real-time, such that if you are thinking about something they will bust you for what you were thinking.

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/ut-creates-device-that-reads-minds-turns-thoughts-into-text

 

[MadDuner]

They are fairly close, or so they claim, to having devices that will be able to interpret your brain waves and determine what you are thinking.

Just wait until they finally have a device that can, in real-time, interpret your brain waves and project them into a viewable format that can be reviewed, with this occurring in real-time, such that if you are thinking about something they will bust you for what you were thinking.

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/ut-creates-device-that-reads-minds-turns-thoughts-into-text

I guess I should turn myself in now then…